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trader88.sg
    25-Jul-2008 17:44  
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sister elfinchilde,

Since you brought this up. There was a rumour that someone quoted the wrong US companies that Temasek sold. The rumour said the company that Temasek sold 50% was in fact Mylan Inc. Please check the MFFAIS website to verify.
 
 
Hulumas
    25-Jul-2008 17:35  
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Dear Jackjames,

 

CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU!
 
 
elfinchilde
    25-Jul-2008 17:33  
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wait, i'm getting confused, so did Temasek sell or not?

because the link which CWQuah posted was the shareholders' list of ML, it's equivalent to SGX announcement of shareholder's substantial listing, ie, the BUSD data of the BBs.

unless someone faked that list. o_0

floppy, it really depends on what counter you're in. Some counters, even when dipped to 50%, is a buy. others is not. The thing i don't get about the ML investment (assuming the list is true) is this: if you wanted to cut, cut it at 5, 10 or even 15% loss. Not 47%. If the loss is 47%, considering ML is a blue chip, it should be a buy call, not a sell, esp since it ain't like Temasek is short of cash and holding power. ie, buy on dip strategy to DCA it.
 

 
novena_33
    25-Jul-2008 17:31  
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so JJ.....with STI drop about 1000 points from 3900 to 2900, that about 30%..so u should know the ang bao will drop by 30% too.... Smiley 
 
 
trader88.sg
    25-Jul-2008 17:31  
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jackjames

"Feel like a man" ? You mean you are not a man but feel like a man? Smiley


Just kidding. Congratulation to your BIG day!

 
 
 
jackjames
    25-Jul-2008 17:23  
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my mum went for church misson, and volunter to be secretary... sometimes she went to indonesia for mission trip... my dad is involved in bible school teaching... but, they still feel bored, ha ha..

yeah, novena... you are right, tomorrow is my big day.. i am married, ha ha... still preparing the speech... anyway, got to go, it is time for me to collect ang pow tomorrow, hopefully, i will have surplus to buy more BIOSENSOR, ha ha ... cheers... i grow up finally... feel like a man... ha ha..



trader88.sg      ( Date: 25-Jul-2008 17:17) Posted:



jackjames,

Get your parents to charity works lar.

 

 
novena_33
    25-Jul-2008 17:19  
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hey JJ, dont get so work up..... tomorrow is ur BIG day..... relax lar..

so now u know my ang bao....will not be big .... Smiley with STI drop like this.....

 
 
 
trader88.sg
    25-Jul-2008 17:17  
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jackjames,

Get your parents to charity works lar.
 
 
jackjames
    25-Jul-2008 17:11  
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yeah, singapore loss big time.. but then, whether they earn big or small, or loss.. what does it affect us? u think they earn money, they will give you 6% for CPF OA account? please...  to have 1.5% increased also until so hard.... so, teach them a lesson la.. else, they always think they are the smartest in the world... ( in some ways, they are really doing good.., can't deny it..)..

elf... have to work until age 70 ar? not need la... my parents now enjoying life at age 56... retired last year, ha ha... and they finally told me today that they feel bored not working... so, they are trying to find "new things to do" apart from selling public bank mutual funds as part time to kill times...



trader88.sg      ( Date: 25-Jul-2008 17:05) Posted:



jackjames,

Who win liao? Sg loses big time liao! 

 
 
floppy
    25-Jul-2008 17:10  
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it's a classic psychological mistake though: people buy, then when it goes down, they delude themselves into thinking "it's for the long term" and convince people so

well spoken elf... I'm one of those silly ppl, fortunately or unfortunately I convince only myself  Smiley. stuck!!
 

 
baseerahmed
    25-Jul-2008 17:06  
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http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200807250413DOWJONESDJONLINE000386_FORTUNE5.htm
 
 
trader88.sg
    25-Jul-2008 17:05  
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jackjames,

Who win liao? Sg loses big time liao! 
 
 
baseerahmed
    25-Jul-2008 17:04  
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Temasek Continues To Hold 87 Million Merrill Lynch Shares Sources


SINGAPORE -(Dow Jones)- Singapore state investment company Temasek Holdings Pte. Ltd. continues to hold 87 million shares in Merrill Lynch & Co. (MER), nearly the entire stake it purchased in December 2007, two people familiar with the matter said Friday.


An online article dated Thursday stating that Temasek had sold 87 million shares is erroneous, the people told Dow Jones Newswires.

Temasek said in a statement Friday that investors should "refer only to official sources of information for announcements on major transactions."

A July 22 filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission showed that Temasek held 87 million Merrill Lynch common shares as of June 30.

On Jan. 3 Temasek made an SEC filing to reflect holding 91.7 million shares, or 9.4% of Merrill Lynch.

In December Merrill Lynch announced that it had issued 91.7 million shares to Temasek at $48 a share to raise $4.4 billion.

-By John Jannarone and Patricia Kowsmann, Dow Jones Newswires; 65 6415 4153; john.jannarone@dowjones.com
 
 
elfinchilde
    25-Jul-2008 16:47  
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it's a classic psychological mistake though: people buy, then when it goes down, they delude themselves into thinking "it's for the long term" and convince people so.

When in reality it's just a bad investment and should have been cut.

just be prepared to work til 65 or 70 lor. Already for ppl of my age group, minimum 120k locked in til you die. just count how much money that is. their mistakes, we pay.

teeth53, a lot of other forumers including myself had been saying since way before already that it was a bad investment. what i don't get is why if, we, little people, can see it, the top honchos couldn't, and waited til major loss before cutting. when instead, they should have bought more to shore up at this stage.
 
 
jackjames
    25-Jul-2008 16:45  
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i think this loss is much more than what Chartered semiconductor, today drop to history low at 0.645.... that paper loss already sitting for ages...
 

 
novena_33
    25-Jul-2008 16:42  
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commitment for long term stratergy ? .....bullshit.......is only when u not losing $$$

so they are normal investor after all......... like most of us..... still make the same type of mistakes.....



jackjames      ( Date: 25-Jul-2008 16:13) Posted:

Horrible ! Horrible ! Horrible !

So, Temasek loss USD 1.48 billion, SGD 2 billions.. so, it's not 2 millions, it is 2000 millions !!!!!!!! Win liao... I thought soverign funds will have some commitment for long term stratergy ?! Oh dear, will we hear GIC going to sell UBS or Citibank soon ? oh poor boy, finally admit their mistake and cut loss.... but why cut loss now? they expect it will go down to USD 9 ???????? win liao...

p/s: Merrill lynch still give fat bonuses in singapore, all the employee has SGD 2500 for medical claim for immediate family, that is really a perfect package ! i don't see why Temasek selling at the worst time.. I believe it will still go up.... I am still waiting to buy at USD 19.



ozone2002      ( Date: 25-Jul-2008 10:00) Posted:



Holy cow!..CPF money down the drain..looks like the financial system is down hill from here

Temasek
Selling Merrill Lynch
Half or total of 87m shares have been sold off at a loss, according to US recorded filings. By Seah Chiang Nee
Jul 24, 2008


Temasek Holdings has sold off half its ill-timed investment in Merrill Lynch - or about 87m shares, according to a mutual funds report on institutional trades on US stocks.

The online report, MFFAIRS (Mutual Fund Facts About Individual Stocks), reported it sold off 86,949,594 shares (50%), leaving a current holdings of 86,949,594 shares (50%), according to the filings made public.

The report gave no exact date or price of the sale.

Neither has there been any confirmation from Temasek, which had paid US$48 a share last year. http://www.mffais.com/newsarticles/2008-07-22/2473637-211738.html

Last week Merrill Lynch was traded at $31.

At that price Temasek would have suffered a loss of $17 a share - or a total loss of about US$1.48b for the 87mil shares.

Despite massive write-downs and capital injection, Merrill Lynch's outlook remains uncertain, reports Bloomberg.

The company's equity capital position is weak relative to competitors, said Brad Hintz, a New York-based analyst at Sanford C Bernstein, reports Ambereen Choudhury.

"With $19.9b in CDOs still frozen on the balance sheet and with counterparty risk rising on the hedges underlying these troubled positions, the potential for additional material write-downs remains a concern,” Hintz said.

The New York-based firm's credit rating was cut last week by Moody's Investors Service to A2 from A1.

The third-biggest US securities firm probably will report a loss of $6.57 a share this year, compared with an earlier forecast of $1.07, Hintz said.

The revised estimate assumes the company generates no earnings in the second half.

Merrill may have to take an additional $10 billion of pre-tax write-downs related to its holdings of mortgage securities, Moody's estimates.

Huge paper losses

The disposal leaves Temasek Holdings and the Government Investment Corporation (GIC) still holding substantial parts of big troubled Western banks.


Its remaining investments in UBS (Switzerland), Citigroup, Barclays and Merrill Lynch - at an original cost of US$21.88b - have declined on by some 47 percent in value.

That is a paper loss of US$10.28b. However, Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew had said these investments were made as a long-term strategy of 30 years.

But as the Merrill Lynch sale shows, Temasek is not inflexible about cutting losses, if things threaten to get worse.

The political leadership has defended its investment of these sub-prime banks as “an opportunistic” foray that can happen once in a long while.

It believes these companies will survive the crisis and emerge stronger.

Some experts believe that Temasek has made an error of judgment.

Investment guru Jim Rogers said in July he believed that US bank stocks could fall further and predicted that Singapore's state investors would lose money on Citigroup and Merrill Lynch.

"I'm shorting investment banks on Wall Street," the successful investor said. "It grieves me to see what Singapore is doing. They are going to lose money."

At the Nomura Dialogue recently, Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew reported to investment mistakes, but that no one had benefited from it.

Singaporeans who want to see greater transparency in the government’s investments in troubled companies are unhappy with this vague answer to a serious problem.

One writer said, “Should we just move on? I do not think so. The patently huge mistake is not merely the result of recklessness but rather a systemic lack of accountability in making some of our largest investments.

“Let it be clear, the harm is terminally done. The entire reserves system must be re-examined and audited.”

Said slohand, "I saw the interview on TV last night and felt shortchanged.

"He brushed aside the issues with the logic that since the officers who made the decisions were not the beneficiaries in any sense of the word, such lapses are mistakes and are therefore acceptable...

"..The size indicates that it can only come from the very top."

The skies are dark but the storm has not broke yet.
By Seah Chiang Nee


 
 
jackjames
    25-Jul-2008 16:13  
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Horrible ! Horrible ! Horrible !

So, Temasek loss USD 1.48 billion, SGD 2 billions.. so, it's not 2 millions, it is 2000 millions !!!!!!!! Win liao... I thought soverign funds will have some commitment for long term stratergy ?! Oh dear, will we hear GIC going to sell UBS or Citibank soon ? oh poor boy, finally admit their mistake and cut loss.... but why cut loss now? they expect it will go down to USD 9 ???????? win liao...

p/s: Merrill lynch still give fat bonuses in singapore, all the employee has SGD 2500 for medical claim for immediate family, that is really a perfect package ! i don't see why Temasek selling at the worst time.. I believe it will still go up.... I am still waiting to buy at USD 19.



ozone2002      ( Date: 25-Jul-2008 10:00) Posted:



Holy cow!..CPF money down the drain..looks like the financial system is down hill from here

Temasek
Selling Merrill Lynch
Half or total of 87m shares have been sold off at a loss, according to US recorded filings. By Seah Chiang Nee
Jul 24, 2008


Temasek Holdings has sold off half its ill-timed investment in Merrill Lynch - or about 87m shares, according to a mutual funds report on institutional trades on US stocks.

The online report, MFFAIRS (Mutual Fund Facts About Individual Stocks), reported it sold off 86,949,594 shares (50%), leaving a current holdings of 86,949,594 shares (50%), according to the filings made public.

The report gave no exact date or price of the sale.

Neither has there been any confirmation from Temasek, which had paid US$48 a share last year. http://www.mffais.com/newsarticles/2008-07-22/2473637-211738.html

Last week Merrill Lynch was traded at $31.

At that price Temasek would have suffered a loss of $17 a share - or a total loss of about US$1.48b for the 87mil shares.

Despite massive write-downs and capital injection, Merrill Lynch's outlook remains uncertain, reports Bloomberg.

The company's equity capital position is weak relative to competitors, said Brad Hintz, a New York-based analyst at Sanford C Bernstein, reports Ambereen Choudhury.

"With $19.9b in CDOs still frozen on the balance sheet and with counterparty risk rising on the hedges underlying these troubled positions, the potential for additional material write-downs remains a concern,” Hintz said.

The New York-based firm's credit rating was cut last week by Moody's Investors Service to A2 from A1.

The third-biggest US securities firm probably will report a loss of $6.57 a share this year, compared with an earlier forecast of $1.07, Hintz said.

The revised estimate assumes the company generates no earnings in the second half.

Merrill may have to take an additional $10 billion of pre-tax write-downs related to its holdings of mortgage securities, Moody's estimates.

Huge paper losses

The disposal leaves Temasek Holdings and the Government Investment Corporation (GIC) still holding substantial parts of big troubled Western banks.


Its remaining investments in UBS (Switzerland), Citigroup, Barclays and Merrill Lynch - at an original cost of US$21.88b - have declined on by some 47 percent in value.

That is a paper loss of US$10.28b. However, Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew had said these investments were made as a long-term strategy of 30 years.

But as the Merrill Lynch sale shows, Temasek is not inflexible about cutting losses, if things threaten to get worse.

The political leadership has defended its investment of these sub-prime banks as “an opportunistic” foray that can happen once in a long while.

It believes these companies will survive the crisis and emerge stronger.

Some experts believe that Temasek has made an error of judgment.

Investment guru Jim Rogers said in July he believed that US bank stocks could fall further and predicted that Singapore's state investors would lose money on Citigroup and Merrill Lynch.

"I'm shorting investment banks on Wall Street," the successful investor said. "It grieves me to see what Singapore is doing. They are going to lose money."

At the Nomura Dialogue recently, Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew reported to investment mistakes, but that no one had benefited from it.

Singaporeans who want to see greater transparency in the government’s investments in troubled companies are unhappy with this vague answer to a serious problem.

One writer said, “Should we just move on? I do not think so. The patently huge mistake is not merely the result of recklessness but rather a systemic lack of accountability in making some of our largest investments.

“Let it be clear, the harm is terminally done. The entire reserves system must be re-examined and audited.”

Said slohand, "I saw the interview on TV last night and felt shortchanged.

"He brushed aside the issues with the logic that since the officers who made the decisions were not the beneficiaries in any sense of the word, such lapses are mistakes and are therefore acceptable...

"..The size indicates that it can only come from the very top."

The skies are dark but the storm has not broke yet.
By Seah Chiang Nee

 
 
trader88.sg
    25-Jul-2008 16:05  
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ozone2002,

Where did you get that big news from? 
 
 
SupremeA
    25-Jul-2008 15:56  
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Oops that's just speculation! No one should take it seriously pls dun sue me!
 
 
elfinchilde
    25-Jul-2008 15:46  
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ooh. supremeA, be careful with what you say too yea. there are eyes everywhere.  

tanglinboy, it isn't a rumor. if we scroll through the sale list which CWQuah posted: (when was the date of this list, CWQuah?)

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Temasek Holdings Private Ltd. 

-0.23 % 2008-07-22 86,949,594 $2,939,765,773 $-32,171,350 -1.08 % Sold Some -86,949,594 -50.00 % $32,171,350


Berkshire Hathaway:

% 2008-07-17 2,000 % Added More 150 8.10 %


The categories in order are:

Fund Perf. 6 Report Date Current Shares Current Value Value Chng. Return Activity Shares Chng. Shares Chg.% Results


 

ie, Temasek's latest sale is for a net loss of 32mil. They've sold a total of 50% of their ML stake. Meanwhile, Berkshire has just added more to its stable.
 
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