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teeth53
    10-Jul-2008 08:17  
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Hope to serve yet another reminder STILL HAVE NOT WAKE UP HUH..!!!  If not for losses...S$75,000 for each CPF a/c liao.

'The financial contagion has now spread beyond US shores'

IF THIS DON'T MAKE THEM UNDERSTAND..I REALLY DON"T KNOW WHAT and WHY. 

GIC says global recession, crisis likely

THEY ARE DO SUCH THING as so EAGERLY JUMPING INTO 1st OPPORTUNITIES, TELLING US AGAIN and AGAIN, YA...THIS X TELLING US in ChannelNewsAsia (CNA)..from our Biggest Boss.

27-Apr-2008 10:03 Others   /   Is it true GIC loss $6billion on UBS investment?      4Go to Message
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Just to serve as a reminder to those big boys earning multi million of dollars and here we are daily making end need to feed ever rising cost of living....some real serious thinking needed here.
SundayTimes April 27,2008 Page 28 Think. Highlighted Termasek holding and GIC.
Wise buy by GIC and Temasek..??? What do you make of Temasek and GIC invesments ? by graceng@sph.com.sg
My very own personnel opinion only. It is true, they has lost short term....10% - 20 % lost in billion (term) mean a 10% - 20% more money to be fork out from our pocket.

Can U see what a nomal down to earth fellow here see...I am very concern about how they go about investing our hard earn money.

teeth53 Posted: 30-Mar-2008 22:12        *  Quote this Post!
  Just for info sharing......Isit another round coming for Teamsek / GIC?, as i said is too early.
teeth53 Posted: 20-Mar-2008 09:57    
  Read into China reserve, they got trillion and they are taking their sweet time...they are reading that they will be plenty to come.....this one to two years, so be ready for this volatile world.
teeth53 Posted: 20-Mar-2008 09:51  
what i think is what make them jump into is so fast...isit we are sooo rich, isit kiaso and why do we have all the opportunties to NEG now and later. it is very, very to get in and not easy to find another buyer to take over those 14B in case of UBS ( if i am wrong, pls high light me) thk


GIC previously said it has not yet decided whether to participate in UBS's subsequent 15 billion franc rights issue. Dr Tan said that GIC had entered the market turmoil well prepared after it had taken a more conservative stance in its investment portfolio by selling stocks in the third quarter and holding more cash.

GIC says global recession, crisis likely
'The financial contagion has now spread beyond US shores': Dr Tony Tan. -Reuters
 



jackjames      ( Date: 08-Jul-2008 10:55) Posted:

they entered too early la... this is singaporean gia shu style mah.. they afraid they cannot get bargain price.. but they forgot the Great Singapore Sales is in June !!!! now, kena burnt big time... they should admit it... don't tell us long term they will win ... of course anyone of us will know that.. the question is as a prestiguous investment company, where is the risk analysis ? fail big time..

they will announce result on july 17.. if big losses lagi baik, as i am looking to buy at USD 19 !!!



teeth53      ( Date: 08-Jul-2008 09:59) Posted:

Woww..how losess like that liao lor....?. Seow liao. long term one


 
 
jackjames
    10-Jul-2008 06:48  
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another new low for Merrill Lynch yesterday at USD 29.43... target to buy USD 19... so, by the time reaching USD 48, gain 152% already while "someone" just breakeven..
 
 
AK_Francis
    08-Jul-2008 11:00  
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agreed, no transparency for earning and losing. u may get to know the report card 10 or even 30 yrs later, as said in public much earlier. looking at Citi and UBS unstop writting down and losses. AK don't think can hope for the benefits in my life time leow. I will pass the hope to my kids or even grandchildrens loh.
 

 
jackjames
    08-Jul-2008 10:55  
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they entered too early la... this is singaporean gia shu style mah.. they afraid they cannot get bargain price.. but they forgot the Great Singapore Sales is in June !!!! now, kena burnt big time... they should admit it... don't tell us long term they will win ... of course anyone of us will know that.. the question is as a prestiguous investment company, where is the risk analysis ? fail big time..

they will announce result on july 17.. if big losses lagi baik, as i am looking to buy at USD 19 !!!



teeth53      ( Date: 08-Jul-2008 09:59) Posted:

Woww..how losess like that liao lor....?. Seow liao. long term one.

jackjames      ( Date: 08-Jul-2008 09:42) Posted:



if you buy Merrill Lynch share yesterday at USD 29, u are much smarter than Temasek buying at USD 48.. when they break even, you already at gain 66%.... how nice it is..


 
 
alexmay
    08-Jul-2008 10:36  
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You don't need a fund manager to invest for 20-30 years, anyone could do it. Question is, how to maximise your profit within a minimum time frame. 20-30 years later could you enjoy the profit. You may already be dead. Oh!!  of course you be earning for the next generation. Why are we paying peanuts to employ these monkies. From a senior citizen
 
 
teeth53
    08-Jul-2008 09:59  
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Woww..how losess like that liao lor....?. Seow liao. long term one.

jackjames      ( Date: 08-Jul-2008 09:42) Posted:



if you buy Merrill Lynch share yesterday at USD 29, u are much smarter than Temasek buying at USD 48.. when they break even, you already at gain 66%.... how nice it is..

 

 
Snappers
    08-Jul-2008 09:55  
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If only there's only one company....  either GIC or Temasek...  actually no need 2 investment companies...  country so small but need 2 investment companies...  mayb by having 2 companies then more "top ppl" can earn peanuts salary...Smiley

i rather take my use whatever money i have in CPF for investment...  whether i profit or loss...  still my money..  at least i can learn something from my losses...  things like how to cut loss, how much to buy at, how much to let go.....  whereas if they use our hard earned money go invest, whatever they made, they give me juz the peanut husks not even the peanuts...

 
 
 
jackjames
    08-Jul-2008 09:42  
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if you buy Merrill Lynch share yesterday at USD 29, u are much smarter than Temasek buying at USD 48.. when they break even, you already at gain 66%.... how nice it is..
 
 
teeth53
    08-Jul-2008 09:18  
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SEE this..they are not telling us d truth......!!!..?. Sad to know. real sad.



teeth53      ( Date: 06-May-2008 19:38) Posted:



How much have invest in?, how much have lost?. short term not for Temasek, only for long, long term

The bank warned investors last month to expect net losses of 12 billion Swiss francs ($11.42 billion) for the first three months of the year after writing down about $19 billion on U.S. real estate and related credit positions in the period.

 
 
teeth53
    08-Jul-2008 09:13  
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Sir KaRi Kena just like StearnBear...reported by FED..investment arm...losing a US$1bil..How?. Pumping more "Ah Kong" money for long term...This one maybe just nice to cover angmo long term interest..rather than our interest. GIC, which manages more than US$100 billion and Temasek selling can get another US 3bil.
 

 
teeth53
    08-Jul-2008 09:02  
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Yet our UOB Chief. Mr Wee Cho Yau mentioned: Worst of US sub-prime woes credit crises not over, indicating further write-downs possible and situation may take 1-2 years to stablilise. "this is what frightens him most - no one can tell him how much will be written off because no one really knows d size of d CDO market before its collapse...StraitsTimes Tues July 8, 2008. Need another idea, requried a stronger captial base (of $93 billion only) for UBS and Credit Suisse, a provisions of $93Billion. "S'pore Ah kong Woo Lui ". StraitsTimes (Money pg) Jul 7, 2008 

Yet another story......says

'It makes sense to invest because there's a huge discount off the market price. This shows their commitment to UBS and that they are in it for the long haul,' said Dr Chua Hak Bin, an investment strategist at Deutsche's private bank in Singapore.

Mr David Cohen, an economist at Action Economics in Singapore, said: 'That's the attraction of sovereign wealth funds as investors. These are the candidates that have the money at their disposal and are able to take a long-term perspective.'It's encouraging the money is available, and it shows the sub-prime crisis is less nerve-wracking than it was a few months ago.'
 
 
teeth53
    08-Jul-2008 08:33  
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Senoko Power up for Sales, for US$3 billion, need money Ya, selling asset...to compensate for losses in jumping into investment, may not be enuff to cover those losses, so called talented ppl's sitting on million of dollars of fixed fat salary plus big fat bonus..Still Haven WAKE up huh.

teeth53      ( Date: 07-Jun-2008 20:32) Posted:

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GIC to fully subscribe to new UBS shares in stock offer

THE Government of Singapore Investment Corporation (GIC), which has invested about US$10.6 billion (S$14.5 billion) in UBS, said yesterday that it will take up the shares it is entitled to in a new stock offer by Switzerland's largest bank.

The new investment could cost about 61 million Swiss francs (S$79.8 million), based on Bloomberg's calculation. GIC owns 0.4 per cent of UBS' common stock, it said in an e-mailed statement.

The fund can take up the same proportion of shares that UBS said last month would be sold at 21 Swiss francs each. Investors are entitled to seven new shares for each 20 held.

UBS, the bank with the second-largest write-downs and credit losses from the US sub-prime crisis, would sell new shares at a 31 per cent discount to the share price on May 21 so as to raise about 16 billion Swiss francs in new capital, the company said last month.

The Zurich-based bank aims to repair its balance sheet after suffering about US$38.2 billion in write-downs linked to the mortgage crisis in the United States.

'It makes sense to invest because there's a huge discount off the market price. This shows their commitment to UBS and that they are in it for the long haul,' said Dr Chua Hak Bin, an investment strategist at Deutsche's private bank in Singapore.

Mr David Cohen, an economist at Action Economics in Singapore, said: 'That's the attraction of sovereign wealth funds as investors. These are the candidates that have the money at their disposal and are able to take a long-term perspective.

'It's encouraging the money is available, and it shows the sub-prime crisis is less nerve-wracking than it was a few months ago.'

The rights offer was first announced on April 1. Trading in the new shares is expected to begin next Friday, the bank has said.

Analysts have said that GIC should take up the offer to avoid a dilution of its shareholding.

In December, the fund bought convertible notes that pay an annual return of 9 per cent. These notes can be converted to stock within two years of the date of issue. Before the latest share offer, GIC would have been UBS' biggest shareholder with a 9 per cent stake if it had fully converted its notes.

'We will subscribe fully to the new shares for our holdings in the UBS common stock,' GIC said in the e-mailed statement, declining to specify the amount it would pay for the new shares.

Bloomberg's calculation was based on UBS' 2.07 billion common shares as at March 31. It is unclear if GIC's UBS notes entitle it to the ongoing rights issue.

GIC, which manages more than US$100 billion, and Temasek Holdings have made high-profile investments in beleaguered banks since the start of the credit crisis. GIC invested US$6.88 billion in Citigroup in January, while Temasek pumped US$5 billion into Merrill Lynch.

GIC chairman Lee Kuan Yew said in April that the fund might invest in more banks in Europe and the US if it gets the chance, despite a slide in Western banking stocks since the purchases by the Singapore wealth funds.

'There are other names you can buy... They should be alloting money back into the Asian market,' said a Singapore-based fund manager, who declined to be identified because he was not allowed to comment on individual stocks.

BLOOMBERG NEWS, REUTERS

 



teeth53      ( Date: 07-Jun-2008 16:59) Posted:



The Zurich based bank aims to repair its balance sheet after suffering about (in all) US$38.2 bil (so far) in write downs linked to US sub-prime mortgage crisis.

The rights offer is announced on April 1. Trading in the new share is expected to begin next Friday.

GIC Chairman Lee Kuan Yew said in April that the fund might invest in more banks in EU and US if it gets the chance, dispite a slide in Western banking stocks fortune.

Trading in downward price pressure in short term is expected. Just sharing my tot.


 
 
AK_Francis
    10-Jun-2008 00:51  
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but there is no warranty of making even and +ve returns in near future?? one of the holding top brass said on one of the BT articles lately.
 
 
teeth53
    09-Jun-2008 22:22  
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What can happen next..?. in Indonisia high court.
 
 
teeth53
    07-Jun-2008 20:32  
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GIC to fully subscribe to new UBS shares in stock offer

THE Government of Singapore Investment Corporation (GIC), which has invested about US$10.6 billion (S$14.5 billion) in UBS, said yesterday that it will take up the shares it is entitled to in a new stock offer by Switzerland's largest bank.

The new investment could cost about 61 million Swiss francs (S$79.8 million), based on Bloomberg's calculation. GIC owns 0.4 per cent of UBS' common stock, it said in an e-mailed statement.

The fund can take up the same proportion of shares that UBS said last month would be sold at 21 Swiss francs each. Investors are entitled to seven new shares for each 20 held.

UBS, the bank with the second-largest write-downs and credit losses from the US sub-prime crisis, would sell new shares at a 31 per cent discount to the share price on May 21 so as to raise about 16 billion Swiss francs in new capital, the company said last month.

The Zurich-based bank aims to repair its balance sheet after suffering about US$38.2 billion in write-downs linked to the mortgage crisis in the United States.

'It makes sense to invest because there's a huge discount off the market price. This shows their commitment to UBS and that they are in it for the long haul,' said Dr Chua Hak Bin, an investment strategist at Deutsche's private bank in Singapore.

Mr David Cohen, an economist at Action Economics in Singapore, said: 'That's the attraction of sovereign wealth funds as investors. These are the candidates that have the money at their disposal and are able to take a long-term perspective.

'It's encouraging the money is available, and it shows the sub-prime crisis is less nerve-wracking than it was a few months ago.'

The rights offer was first announced on April 1. Trading in the new shares is expected to begin next Friday, the bank has said.

Analysts have said that GIC should take up the offer to avoid a dilution of its shareholding.

In December, the fund bought convertible notes that pay an annual return of 9 per cent. These notes can be converted to stock within two years of the date of issue. Before the latest share offer, GIC would have been UBS' biggest shareholder with a 9 per cent stake if it had fully converted its notes.

'We will subscribe fully to the new shares for our holdings in the UBS common stock,' GIC said in the e-mailed statement, declining to specify the amount it would pay for the new shares.

Bloomberg's calculation was based on UBS' 2.07 billion common shares as at March 31. It is unclear if GIC's UBS notes entitle it to the ongoing rights issue.

GIC, which manages more than US$100 billion, and Temasek Holdings have made high-profile investments in beleaguered banks since the start of the credit crisis. GIC invested US$6.88 billion in Citigroup in January, while Temasek pumped US$5 billion into Merrill Lynch.

GIC chairman Lee Kuan Yew said in April that the fund might invest in more banks in Europe and the US if it gets the chance, despite a slide in Western banking stocks since the purchases by the Singapore wealth funds.

'There are other names you can buy... They should be alloting money back into the Asian market,' said a Singapore-based fund manager, who declined to be identified because he was not allowed to comment on individual stocks.

BLOOMBERG NEWS, REUTERS

 



teeth53      ( Date: 07-Jun-2008 16:59) Posted:



The Zurich based bank aims to repair its balance sheet after suffering about (in all) US$38.2 bil (so far) in write downs linked to US sub-prime mortgage crisis.

The rights offer is announced on April 1. Trading in the new share is expected to begin next Friday.

GIC Chairman Lee Kuan Yew said in April that the fund might invest in more banks in EU and US if it gets the chance, dispite a slide in Western banking stocks fortune.

Trading in downward price pressure in short term is expected. Just sharing my tot.

 

 
teeth53
    07-Jun-2008 16:59  
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The Zurich based bank aims to repair its balance sheet after suffering about (in all) US$38.2 bil (so far) in write downs linked to US sub-prime mortgage crisis.

The rights offer is announced on April 1. Trading in the new share is expected to begin next Friday.

GIC Chairman Lee Kuan Yew said in April that the fund might invest in more banks in EU and US if it gets the chance, dispite a slide in Western banking stocks fortune.

Trading in downward price pressure in short term is expected. Just sharing my tot.
 
 
teeth53
    07-Jun-2008 16:35  
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Be prepare for mid to long term haul...good for GIC, as GIC is fully committed to subscribe for (S$79.8mil) new share at a huge discount of 31% to it trading price as of May 21.  Noted GIC would have been UBS's (Swiss 2nd largest bank) biggest shareholdiner with a 9% stake if it had fully converted its notes.

Short term be prepare for downward price trading pressure in order for it entitlement, convertiable notes that pay a annual return of 9% (in Decmber) of it date of issue, notes..within two (2) years to be convert to stocks.



tanglinboy      ( Date: 06-May-2008 16:19) Posted:

Swiss bank UBS reports 1Q net loss of $11 billion
Swiss bank UBS reports first-quarter net loss of $11 billion, cuts 5,500 jobs

NEW YORK (Associated Press) - Swiss bank UBS AG announced Tuesday it would cut 5,500 jobs and reported a net loss of 11.5 billion Swiss francs ($10.97 billion) for the first quarter of this year.


This compares with a net profit of 3 billion francs in the same period last year.

The losses translate to 5.63 francs ($5.35) per share, compared with earnings per share of 1.43 francs in the first quarter of 2007.

The bank warned investors last month to expect net losses of 12 billion Swiss francs ($11.42 billion) for the first three months of the year after writing down about $19 billion on U.S. real estate and related credit positions in the period.

Switzerland's largest bank said it will cut 2,600 jobs in its investment banking arm _ blamed for the majority of failures that led to a record writedowns of $37.4 billion since last summer. A further 2,900 jobs will be slashed in other parts of the business, bringing the total number of job cuts by mid-2009 to 5,500.

UBS has been struggling to regain investor confidence since posting a series of heavy losses that prompted shareholders to demand radical action to turn the business around.

Last month, shareholders approved the appointment of a new chairman and a capital increase of 15 billion francs ($14.9 billion) in the hope of turning the page on the bank's historic loss. It was the second capital hike after UBS raised 13 billion francs from two foreign sovereign wealth funds earlier this year.

On Tuesday, UBS said it has reduced its exposure to subprime-related assets by 60 percent since the third quarter of last year."We can see tangible effects as a result of our initial responses to the losses," CEO Marcel Rohner said in a statement. "While our exposure is still subject to swings in market conditions, we see market demand for these securities returning in certain areas and at the current level of valuations." Top of page

 
 
178investors
    14-May-2008 11:24  
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For a start, temasek could start drilling in the water areas around singapore for oil/gas. How wonderful it would be if they striked black gold.
 
 
teeth53
    14-May-2008 08:28  
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GIC to invests US$400 mil or S$549.2 mil (11%) in US energy infrastructure firm AEI. The investment followed a recently foray into the lucrative sector by another Singapore investment company, Termasek Holdings, and came as oil is traded at un-precedented prices.

It aim is to vest into growing energy infrastruture markets of the developing world till it firm can achieves a stock exchange listing.

AEI privately-held owns energy infrastruture businesses in several emerging markets, including China, Mexcio and in Argentina. Its revences last year exceeded US3.2 billion.

In my very own view, it is a mid to long vision to create a news mindset by GIC head to invest in energy exploration and development. in which it should have been done a long time ago.

Better late then never, it is a step in the right direction 
 
 
teeth53
    06-May-2008 19:47  
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While we may not report Q by Q, that will take a year as according to ST paper, as i read to understand from the Straits Times paper, only Temasek is trying, starting to report year by year, while GIC report about every five years.
 
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