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colorado
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26-Jun-2008 23:14
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Not to belabour the point but why that approximate date? Why are both of you able to "tell"? Many would be curious to know.... | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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elfinchilde
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26-Jun-2008 23:07
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hm. like i posted before: don't get too much caught by dates and targets. that's pre-empting the trend. always keep it fluid. moving targets, not fixed ones, remember. (i know it sounds very dodgy, but i think real traders will know what i mean. you can hold in your head an idea of a price/date, but it should never be a fixed number. very difficult to put this down in words....) if victorf's date is 18th jul, and i'm saying wait til mid jul, isn't that a dovetailing of the prediction of direction already? |
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colorado
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26-Jun-2008 23:05
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So aptly put! I believe many have benefitted from your analysis of the current situation. Going forward, wouldn't it be hazardous to long the market since you appear so confident that oil will hit $150 in 2 months max? The shortist would be having a party, wouldn't they? Looking at the mess that the BBs have created with the sub-prime, they would be using all ammunitions to clear the "s--t" with oil as their trump card. There's even talk that the sub-prime might even hit $1 trillion! Going forward, what would your advice be for a mid-term investor with no risk appetite and skill to scalp? You are one sifu that I wish to learn from.
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Luostock
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26-Jun-2008 22:56
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Note that Date of change of interests: From 02/05/2008 to 25/06/2008, announced only after more than a month!, I wondered has it sell off b4 announcing ?
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Luostock
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26-Jun-2008 22:46
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elfin, you said wait till mid-July, but victorf said STI will peak on 18th July. So ? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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elfinchilde
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26-Jun-2008 22:30
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don't average yet. what's the hurry. wait. you have til mid jul at least. the above is as direct a call as i'll ever make. :P |
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26-Jun-2008 21:51
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yup, good 4 averaging down. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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jackjames
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26-Jun-2008 21:25
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the price now is good... |
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HLJHLJ
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26-Jun-2008 19:35
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Elfin,
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elfinchilde
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26-Jun-2008 19:27
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already sitting on two year lows. the question, always, is 'what price', and 'how long am i willing to ride it for'? if you're a trader, you wouldn't care two hoots about what i've said below. It'd just be crap because what you're aiming for is instant gain. 'kopi money'. Hence, you'd just use charts/gambling/instinct to ride it. There's really no need to know more; because it'd be white noise. Knowing more is for those who're in it for the long haul. Who believe that wealth takes years, not days to build. the point is this: self identity. Who are you, in the market place. What is your aim. No one way right or wrong, it's simply knowing what's best for you and what gives you the returns you want. For me, it's clear. I've got decades to play. 20, 30 years, if i want to retire early. What's the rush in gambling for small, instant money? Why not learn more, and genuinely know the game instead. I've got years to build wealth, after all. May as well invest in myself first of all. haha. |
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AK_Francis
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26-Jun-2008 19:14
Yells: "Happy go lucky, cheers." |
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plenty orders ahead but it has to face the global market reality. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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elfinchilde
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26-Jun-2008 19:14
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yah. i read a lot. it's fun for me tho, piecing together the puzzles, the reasons why they are doing what they are doing. have read a lot since i was a child. technicals help to show the picture. but the depth of the picture is only understood if you understand the human mind. not just others', but your own. Technical tools are just that: tools. If one doesn't understand the tool or why it is used for, its purpose, how can it be accurate? Most of the time, i suspect, when people say technicals are inaccurate, it's because they either used the wrong indicators, or they misinterpreted it. alt, they jumped on impulse: seeing signals where none existed. that's emotion, not technicals. investing is most of all about psychology. even if you are a at charts, if you can understand yourself, and understand psychology, sticking to a proper framework of investing rules, really, you can't go far wrong. after all, the best minds from Harvard, Princeton, Yale enter Wall Street. But look where the best minds have gotten us so far. massive bets on subprime gone wrong, credit crunches, liquidity crises. Bear Sterns gone down, UBS, Merril, Citi, BoA on massive losses. Why? They're speculators, not investors. ie, Know the market, know yourself. What you are up against, what you are willing to risk. Speculator, trader, or investor? If trader, what kind? Short term, long term? Nothing wrong either way, as long as you know what you are and why you are playing. So define yourself. that's the most important first step in the market. o/w, herd mentality rules on the market place. understand psychology, and you'll understand the market.
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26-Jun-2008 19:01
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edit: i don't like to talk without some rational backing, so here: for those who are interested about oil. http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/JE24Dj02.html and http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/engdahl/2008/0502.html. http://www.marktaw.com/culture_and_media/politics/GlobalOil.html --this especially is telling, if you look at global oil production and consumption. especially, look at the figures for china, the favourite bogeyman of blame by the West for 'insatiable oil demand' and rising oil prices. It's laughable. ---------- in brief: if you do the maths: there is a 'shortage' of probably only 1 mil barrels per day, if at all. THis is excluding the major reserves in canada, US, and brazil, which are proven oil fields which the 4 major anglo-american oil companies are sitting on (estimated reserves of more than 170, 365, 800 billion barrels respectively in the canadian, US and brazilian oil fields. Excluding Iraq.). WHy are they not digging for more, even when the reserves are known and proven? because then, oil prices will crash. and what benefit is it to them? Note again: anglo-american. Link back to ICE. research is important, as is knowledge. No such thing as not having inside information. The internet has everything; discrimination allows you to weed out the truth from the lie. those who say money is easy to be made in the markets are, in a word, bluffing. you have to be independent, you have to be able to see behind the picture. You have to dig deep. You have to not trust everything you read. including me. haha. |
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26-Jun-2008 18:57
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wow, yes agreed v enlightening |
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colorado
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26-Jun-2008 18:45
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Hmm.. this is enlightening. Sorry to ask but how do you get the BUSD thingy? Wow, how did you know what GS and the rest are doing? I can only guess that you read a whole lot of current affairs to be able to cull such information. You are amazing! | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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elfinchilde
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26-Jun-2008 18:24
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eh? actually, it's TA that shows what they are doing. the principle of TA is that it shows what has been done. and from there, you try to estimate the future direction. Note: try. not abt getting it 100% right, but improving the probability that you are right. longterm, it still hasn't bottomed out yet (which was why i had said first initial buy, and not "whack for entry"). What you're seeing is intraday fluctuations, which scalpers can try to profit off. Will say that such fluctuations are not typical of STE though, which is why i'm also saying the BBs are desperate if they're playing even with this baby. Fyi, it's Morgan Stanley. my guess for the other BB is Citibank. If there's a third: Merril Lynch. They're likely selling at loss, or razor thin profit margins. Why are they doing so? Well, guess who has posted results, and who are posting results soon, with profit warning. haha. Goldman sachs is about the only survivor: and i daresay that's because they're the main players in one spiking commodity: Oil. Goldman Sachs controls the ICE exchange. All that talk about oil demand is rather crap. If you count barrels per day, China barely accounts for 25% of global usage. US demand is actually falling. ie, there's actually enough oil. It's more than 70% speculation. GS are also the analysts calling for a 'super spike' in oil, incidentally, if you follow the news. Isn't the pic clear enough already. Meanwhile, the Bush administration is denying talk of speculation, despite two congressional studies indicting speculation as the main reason. Of course, the transatlantic ICE exchange is in UK, controlled by US. Rotational play amongst the blues can be seen if you track the entire basket. They take turns to go up and come down, and if you count the quantum sum of $$ played, it's about the same. Plus, same patterns of movement. Don't just use TA for one counter, it may blind you to the overall trend. Myriad of indicators, myriad of uses. You need to be able to link everything to see the full picture. Even if you don't use any indicators, BUSD tells everything, since it's the track record of ALL movements, BBs, small fries etc. Queue track tells you the other half of the story. A lot of false queues and churning. You can fake queues but you cannot fake BUSD. It's like fingerprinting. All that remains for techies to do is to deduce the patterns. you must have a clear idea of what to look for, and what to use to look for what. |
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colorado
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26-Jun-2008 18:08
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elf,if BBs are resorting to such tactic, wouldn't the TA readings be inaccurate then? Taking into consideration that we are not privy to a lot of "insider" information? How do we tell that the BBs are rotating plays etc? |
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elfinchilde
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26-Jun-2008 16:33
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raising cash, jasonongsc. they're selling cos they don't have a choice. foreign funds. same BBs as those rotating in noble, the CPO plays etc now. a you-pat-my-back-i-pat-yours scenario. churning of the blues to make final reports look good. quick cash to make subprime losses look better. means the situation is that desperate for them, that they're even selling good counters. |
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jasonongsc
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26-Jun-2008 16:17
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yeah, strange why they really want to press it to so low for a stock of not much fluctuations | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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elfinchilde
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26-Jun-2008 15:00
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wah. they're playing this counter again. let's see how low they intend to sink this baby to. hehe. margins must be getting thin for the BBs, that they're even willing to play with a traditionally slow mover like this. at this current px, it's at its lowest for 2 years already. HLJHLJ, yes for longer term. will need nerves though. and a clear strategy. not yet time for first/second buy. caveat applies. |
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