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24-Aug-2007 14:13
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Future index for DJ is already -27. Unless central bank pump in more billions into money market, else should be heading south. |
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24-Aug-2007 14:08
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my guess is down. | |||||
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24-Aug-2007 14:01
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Dear all, Your take for Dow tonight. Up or down? Thanks. ttman |
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24-Aug-2007 10:44
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US loan delinquencies jump - Loans at least 90 days delinquent rose in the second quarter by $11.4 billion, or 36.2%, compared with the second quarter of 2006, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. said Wednesday, marking the largest increase in 16 years. - Banks also charged off $9.2 billion in bad loans in the second quarter, 51.2% more than they charged off in the second quarter of 2006, the FDIC said.
Citigroup Inc., Bank of America Corp., JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Wachovia Corp. tapped on the Fed's discount window - The four largest U.S. banks each borrowed $500 million from the Fed. All four companies, which have access to cheaper funds, said they were borrowing from the Fed as an incentive for financial institutions that need the money more to do the same. The banks are also acting in their self interest by hoping their actions will contribute to stability in the financial system.
Shutdown of subprime unit - Lehman Brothers intends to shut down its subprime mortgage unit, BNC Mortgage, shedding 1,200 jobs. Lehman will take a charge against earnings of about $52m (£26m) to dispose of BNC; most of it in the third quarter. - London-based HSBC, Europe's largest bank by market value, closed a U.S. mortgage office after failing to finance new loans. HSBC plans to close its Carmel, Indiana, office by the end of the second quarter of next year, eliminating 600 jobs. HSBC's provisions for bad loans climbed 63 percent to almost $6.4 billion in the first half of 2007.
Traditional Bank loans shield Asia in debt crisis - Companies in Japan and the rest of Asia are weathering the storm in global credit markets more easily than firms in the U.S. and Europe. - Western companies mainly tap the bond and short-term commercial-paper markets to fund their day-to-day activities and expansion projects as borrowing directly from the markets offered cheaper rates and more flexible terms than from the banks. - In contrast, long-term bank loans play a major role in providing companies with funds in Asia. So when credit markets froze last week, Asian companies overall experienced relatively minor disruptions to their financing operations. - In all, Asian and Japanese companies hold approximately $1.25 trillion in long-term syndicated bank loans compared to $2.2 trillion in bonds, according to data tracker Thomson Financial. That compares with $5.39 trillion for bank loans and $19.54 trillion for bonds in the U.S. |
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24-Aug-2007 08:26
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U.S. stocks slipped on Thursday as investors worried about the economic outlook after the head of the biggest U.S. mortgage company said the housing downturn could create a recession. Financial stocks were among those leading declines, with the sector bearing the brunt of dwindling investor confidence in recent weeks as fallout from the meltdown in subprime mortgages spread to other corners of the credit market. The Dow Jones industrial average inched down just 0.25 of a point to end at 13,235.88 -- the smallest net move for a day in the Dow since Dec. 24, 2001. The Standard & Poor's 500 Index slipped 1.57 points, or 0.11 percent, to 1,462.50. The Nasdaq Composite Index shed 11.10 points, or 0.43 percent, to 2,541.70. |
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tanglinboy
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24-Aug-2007 07:59
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Dow ended up flat ..... only down 0.25 points |
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24-Aug-2007 00:04
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but neh....nothing to panic tonight yet...its not as if the headlines read "Subprime ...Credit Woes..back to haunt us!" | |||||
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24-Aug-2007 00:01
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DOW is going down currently as of now...the reason? see below for one of the cause...anyway, this Countrywide CEO is also speaking the truth NEW YORK, Aug 23 (Reuters) - U.S. stocks fell on Thursday after the chief executive of the biggest U.S. mortgage lender, Countrywide Financial Corp. (CFC.N: Quote, Profile, Research), said the market environment was "certainly not getting better." Countrywide CEO Angelo Mozilo, speaking on CNBC television, also said the commercial paper market isn't improving. |
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popdod
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23-Aug-2007 23:35
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In red now... Seems like Dow is heading south.
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cyjjerry85
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23-Aug-2007 23:29
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i kind of agree that this Federal intervention is only temporary...how long will it last, no one knows...till then when there's a renewed concern over the credit woes... NEW YORK, Aug 23 (Reuters) - U.S. stocks were little changed on Thursday as optimism about Bank of America's (BAC.N: Quote, Profile, Research) $2 billion injection into troubled mortgage lender Countrywide (CFC.N: Quote, Profile, Research) waned amid lingering concerns about credit conditions. The investment to help Countrywide Financial Corp shore up its finances initially lifted financial shares but the boost proved short-lived given persistent jitters over tightening credit conditions in financial markets. The Federal Reserve said commercial paper outstanding fell $90.2 billion in the week to Aug. 22 to $2.04 trillion after a $91.1 billion fall the prior week. "I don't think the credit situation is over," said Alan Lancz, president of investment advisory firm Alan B. Lancz & Associates Inc. in Toledo, Ohio. "There's still a lot of problems on the commercial paper front ... What the Fed action has done (by cutting the discount rate on Friday) is buy time," he said. |
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tanglinboy
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23-Aug-2007 22:05
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Dow up 17 points now. Is the worst is over? No more big falls. |
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23-Aug-2007 13:29
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Interesting report from UBS - Take some time to read though...Fed cut the discount rate today by 50 basis points Let?s get the technical points out of the way first and then get to the analysis. The Fed cut the discount rate today by 50 basis points to 5-3/4%. The funds rate, however, was left unchanged at 5-1/4%. There is a big difference between the two ? the discount window is where the banks can borrow from the Fed; the funds rate is the rate at which the banks borrow from each other in the inter-bank market. Very little borrowing is actually done at the discount window ? in fact, in the week ending August 15th, on average there was $271 million of such borrowing conducted versus $258 million for all of July. The discount rate is still 50 basis points above the overnight rate; and while the Fed extended the borrowing period to 30 days, the discount rate is still at a 25 basis point ?penalty? relative to 1-month Libor. Clearly the Fed is trying to entice institutions that cannot access funds in the marketplace to borrow from the discount window ? maybe in order to gain information as to who is really in trouble from a funding standpoint. Fed is walking a fine line Needless to say, we have never seen the Fed cut the discount rate this much without a change in the funds rate, so clearly it is trying to send a message to the markets without having to imply that it is panicking. Talk about walking a fine line. Cutting the funds rate would have been a really big deal since it would be an admission that the Fed is now extremely nervous about the economic outlook; and for the markets this would have suggested a bolder move ? that the Fed is now willing to supply liquidity on a more permanent basis. Note that in contrast to what some believe, the Fed has not lowered the credit standards on collateral they will accept, in other words the collateral base has NOT been expanded. However, as is always the case, the Fed by definition accepts a wider base of collateral at the discount window than it does in its repo operations. Today?s discount rate cut is symbolic in nature We think that today?s discount rate cut is mostly symbolic in nature (though companies such as Countrywide through the bank counterparts are allowed to borrow at the discount window). The real message is in the press statement today which is vastly different from what we saw last week at the post-meeting statement. Not a word about inflation this time ? the Fed said that it is ?monitoring the situation and is prepared to act as needed to mitigate the adverse effects on the economy arising from the disruptions in financial markets?. At the same time, the Fed clearly acknowledged that ?downside risks to growth have increased appreciably?. More on this later.
So this is step two in what will turn out to be a three-step process ? It?s called Baby-Step Bernanke: Step 1 ? Large scale liquidity provision in the interbank market Step 1 was the large-scale liquidity provision in the interbank market over the past week. The evidence in terms of market pricing suggests that this was not entirely successful in dampening volatility or weakness in the capital markets, except to say that without these repo operations, the situation could have gotten a lot worse. Step 2 ? Discount rate cut Step 2, it would seem, is largely a symbolic move today to cut the discount rate aimed again at calming market jitters. But it?s really unclear as to how cutting the discount rate by 50 basis points is going to achieve very much (except, say, give the Fed more information about who is in trouble). But this is all very likely a prelude to an eventual cut in the Fed funds rate, which we think the Fed should have actually done today. Be that as it may, we can understand why the Fed may want to save the real guns for later and see if Step 2 does a better job at quashing the market nerves than Step 1. Besides, the Fed may be ?saving face? in view of the hawkish tone in last week?s press statement press statement, not to mention what it would have done to Bill Poole?s reputation (though he is retiring next year). The Fed obviously believes that the discount rate cut combined with the new wording of the press statement is going to at the minimum eliminate concerns that the Fed was not on the same page as the investment community. Fed has acknowledged that credit conditions have worsened But the real key is the Fed?s acknowledgment that credit conditions have worsened and spread ? the word ?contained? is now forever stricken from the central bank?s lexicon. The FOMC now sees that ?downside risks to growth have increased? ? and not just ?increased? but have done so ?appreciably?. This is tough language, especially compared to what we saw just a week ago. And it does indeed leave one wondering why the Fed didn?t bite the bullet and get more aggressive today by cutting the funds rate outright if the Fed has altered its risk assessment over the economic outlook that much. Perhaps the Fed is hoping that in addition to the symbolic message from the discount rate cut, the pledge in the press statement that the FOMC ?is prepared to act as needed to mitigate the adverse effects? is a powerful enough verbal commitment, that the Fed stands ready to do what is necessary to stem the tide of negative investor sentiment and minimize the damage to overall economy. Step 3 ? 50 basis point cut in the funds rate So what is Step 3? It is a 50 basis point cut in the funds rate, and whether it is at the September 18th meeting or before that will hinge on how the markets react to today?s initiative. It pays to note that today?s action was geared towards signaling to the market that it is prepared to cut the funds rate, but the Fed also seemed to take aim at minimizing the market turbulence that would require an intermeeting cut. This Fed is clearly working in incremental ways and today?s move and statement is a clear step towards a cut in the Fed funds rate. If conditions do not stabilize, the Fed will not wait until the next meeting on September 18th and will cut 50 basis points based on the wording chosen in the press statement and the size of the discount rate cut. If conditions do manage to stabilize, the Fed will not sit back ? it knows that the futures market had already begun to price in the prospect of a 50 basis points by September 18th, the equity market now sees this as a strong possibility itself, so the Fed is highly likely to carry through with a 50 bp cut to the funds rate no matter what else happens between now and then. If the Fed does not go at all, or only goes 25 basis points given what the press statement acknowledged about the risks to the economic outlook, the risks of a major market backlash not unlike what we saw with a similar tepid move on September 29th, 1998 after the LTCM/Russia debacle ? the next day the stock market sank 3% in a major ?thumbs down? and there was another 5% downleg to the S&P 500 to come before the Fed realized it fell short with only a 25 beeper ? it was forced to go intermeeting on October 15th by 25 basis points. We believe the Fed should, and hopefully will, avoid that 1998 mis-step and go the full Monty at the next meeting, even if markets stabilize. The longevity of that stability is going to hinge critically on the Fed making a bold strike.
High prospects for a Fed rate cut by or at the next meeting So we see the prospects as being very high that the Fed cuts rates by or at the next meeting, and by 50 basis points since a 25 basis point would risk a market backlash. There is too much time between that meeting on September 18th and the next confab at the end of October. The press statement that day (Sept 18th) will tell us whether the Fed believes that there will be more to do (we think there will be). But today?s statement showing their concern over the REAL economy has, in our view, definitely set the stage for a ?Step 3? 50 basis point cut. Will a rate cut stabilize the markets on a sustained basis? The next question is whether even a cut in the Fed funds rate is going to help stabilize the markets on a sustained basis or even prevent a recession from occurring. We are willing to keep an open mind but are skeptical. History counsels caution on this file. The prior two asset and credit bubbles that unwound from 1990-92 and again from 2001-03 show that the Fed cut interest rates 100 basis points after the financial turbulence became to difficult to bear, and the central bank believed both times time that it acted in time to prevent a recession or bear market. The transcripts of the July 1990 and January 2001 FOMC attests to such ? recession was not on the horizon. But recessions did follow the initial Fed rate cuts back then, and so did a cyclical bear market in equities. Not even the Fed could stand in the way of nature taking its course and expunging the bad credits out of the system. Asset and credit bubbles don?t unwind in an orderly fashion There has never been an asset and credit bubble that managed to unwind in an orderly fashion, and what the historical record shows is that the Fed spends the first half of the rate-cutting cycle running backwards on the treadmill. It?s not until the second half of the easing cycle that the clouds really begin to part. We recall all too well when the Fed pulled that surprise rate cut on January 3rd of 2001 when it cut BOTH the discount and the funds rate by 50 basis points (the Fed cut the discount rate 25 bps that day and 25 bps the following day), the Dow surged 300 points or 2.8% and the Nasdaq soared 14% that day. Three months later, both were hitting new lows. Recall that the Fed was cutting rates 300 basis points to 3.5% before 9-11 back in 2001, and the S&P 500 was down 20% from the highs and hitting new cycle lows. Keep that in the forefront of your mind as you ?trade? the knee-jerk reaction to what the Fed said and did today. Also remember that the 10-year note yield jumped 22 basis points the day the Fed eased on January 3rd, 2001, and that represented an enormous buying opportunity for anyone with a six-month view ? from the session?s close on January 3rd through to June 4th of 2001, the 10-year generated a positive 9% return and outperformed the S&P 500 by 2700 basis points. We?re not sure the magnitude will be the same this time around, but the story will probably be broadly similar.
The Fed will be pushing on a string ... again In other words, the Fed will be pushing on a string ? again. So in our view, it will end up cutting rates hard this cycle as it did in the aftermath of the last two asset bubbles. Pushing on a string means that the beneficial impact of a lower cost of capital is overwhelmed by the reduction in its availability (supply) or desire to borrow (demand) as lenders move to improve loan quality and debtors simultaneously move to repair their balance sheets ? both the byproduct of deflating asset values. That means that as we saw in the last cycle, and the cycle of the early 1990s, when an asset and credit bubble unwinds, lower interest rates initially exert a muted impact. This is because the rate relief typically bumps up against a prolonged tightening in lending guidelines by financial institutions as default and delinquency rates continue to rise and the value of the collateral continues to decline. At the same time, the demand for credit dries up as we enter an extended period of balance sheet repair by the entities that participated the most in the asset boom ? households in 1991, corporations in 2001 and now back to households in 2007. The Fed staff economists published a report in August of 2006 titled ?A Trend and Variance Decomposition of the Rent-price Ratio in Housing Markets?. The results were startling ? only one third of the parabolic move in the home price-to-rent ratio this cycle was due to low interest rates. So those looking for lower interest rates alone to do anything but ease the pain as the debt excesses of the past cycle unwind are likely to be in for a big surprise. Bond selloff is a wonderful buying opportunity Remember ? in the early 1990s cycle, the funds rate fell to 3%. In the last cycle, cycle, it fell to 1% (and to 3.5% before 9-11); look for something in that range this time around as the Fed eases to soothe transition to a credit-contraction backdrop. Today?s bond selloff is a wonderful buying opportunity if this cycle plays out like its predecessors. |
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Pinnacle
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23-Aug-2007 09:17
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U.S. stocks rose on Wednesday as takeover activity resurfaced and credit markets stabilized, luring investors back into riskier assets such as equities. During the regular session, hopes for a Federal Reserve interest-rate cut persisted as they have since last Friday, highlighting renewed confidence that policy makers would not let financial markets go into a tailspin. The Dow Jones industrial average climbed 145.27 points, or 1.11 percent, to end at 13,236.13. The Standard & Poor's 500 Index was up 16.95 points, or 1.17 percent, at 1,464.07. The Nasdaq Composite Index was up 31.50 points, or 1.25 percent, at 2,552.80. |
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popdod
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23-Aug-2007 03:12
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Aug. 22 (Bloomberg) -- Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc., the biggest underwriter of U.S. bonds backed by mortgages, became the first firm on Wall Street to close its subprime-lending unit and said 1,200 employees will lose their jobs. Shuttering BNC Mortgage LLC will cut earnings by $52 million, Lehman said in a statement today. Lehman acquired Irvine, California-based BNC in 2004 and used it to expand in lending to homeowners with poor credit or heavy debt loads. The job cuts are equivalent to about 4.2 percent of Lehman's workforce of more than 28,000. ``Market conditions have necessitated a substantial reduction in resources and capacity in the subprime space,'' the New York-based firm said. Subprime mortgages, shunned for years because of the default risk, helped fuel the U.S. housing boom this decade as securities firms led by Lehman and Bear Stearns Cos. packaged them into AAA- rated bonds. A surge in late payments on the loans has since eroded confidence in credit products and roiled global debt and stock markets as investors fled to safer assets. Accredited Home Lenders Holding Co., a subprime specialist, announced 1,600 job cuts earlier today in an effort to outlast the credit crunch that has forced dozens of rivals out of business. HSBC Holdings Plc is eliminating 600 positions in its U.S. operations and closing a mortgage office in Indiana, and Capital One Financial Corp. is closing GreenPoint Mortgage because it can't make money anymore lending to homeowners and then selling those mortgages to investors. 3 Percent Lehman said as recently as June that subprime mortgages and related securities provide less than 3 percent of its revenue, which was $17.6 billion last year. The firm said it will continue making home loans to borrowers with better credit through its Aurora Loan Services LLC unit. Shares of Lehman have fallen almost 27 percent this year, the third-worst performance in the 12-member Amex Securities Broker/Dealer Index, on concern that contagion from the subprime crisis will hurt earnings. The stock fell 41 cents to $57.13 in 2:21 p.m. New York Stock Exchange composite trading today. BNC made about $2 billion of loans in the first quarter, down 40 percent from a year earlier, according to industry newsletter National Mortgage News. The unit's 23 offices in eight states will be closed. Lehman said in June that it would merge BNC and Aurora in within three months, eliminating 400 jobs. Aurora originated $7 billion of Alt-A loans to better-rated borrowers in the first quarter, down from $10 billion, National Mortgage News reported. Lehman said in a regulatory filing last month that it had ``unrealized'' losses of $459 million in the quarter ended May 31 from mortgages and mortgage-backed assets. Gains in corporate bond and equity holdings, as well as derivative contracts, offset those losses, according to the filing. |
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popdod
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23-Aug-2007 01:06
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[b]Accredited Home, HSBC Close Offices as Subprime Crisis Spreads [/b] Aug. 22 (Bloomberg) -- Accredited Home Lenders Holding Co. stopped making home loans, HSBC Holdings Plc closed a U.S. mortgage office and H&R Block Inc. tapped bank lines as a credit crunch started by subprime mortgages shrank demand for loans and left companies unable to fund themselves in the debt markets. Accredited, whose planned sale to Lone Star Funds collapsed this month, said in a statement today it will shut more than half of its mortgage operations and fire about 1,600 people. London- based HSBC, Europe's biggest bank by market value, plans to eliminate 600 jobs and close an office in Carmel, Indiana, as it retreats from selling home loans in the U.S.Last Updated: August 22, 2007 11:11 EDT [b]Citigroup, JPMorgan, U.S. Banks Tap Fed Window to Fund Clients [/b] Aug. 22 (Bloomberg) -- The four largest U.S. banks each tapped $500 million from the Federal Reserve's discount window on behalf of clients after the central bank reduced the rate last week and encouraged lenders to use the facility. The transactions were ``intended to display the effectiveness'' of the discount window, JPMorgan Chase & Co., Bank of America Corp. and Wachovia Corp. said in a joint statement. Citigroup Inc. said in a separate statement that it ``stands ready to continue to access the discount window as client needs and market conditions warrant.'' ``Citi is pleased to inject liquidity into the financial system during times of market stress and to support creditworthy clients,'' the New York-based lender, the largest American bank by assets, said. The central bank on Aug. 17 cut the so-called discount rate half a percentage point to 5.75 percent to direct more cash to companies starved for short-term financing while avoiding an emergency reduction in its benchmark overnight lending-rate target. Citigroup is the first bank to confirm that it's using the new discount-window program. Last Updated: August 22, 2007 12:38 EDT Doesn't look good. |
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22-Aug-2007 23:54
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DOW goes off at a tangent with clutching at Rate Cut impetuously. Relax. Will partake of booty with you once its gnawed on. |
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popdod
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22-Aug-2007 23:45
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Thatz how market goes up and down with such speculations. 50-50 win/lose. |
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synnexo
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22-Aug-2007 23:43
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Hmm...actually not too bad as a whole. All bourses doing quite well...
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synnexo
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22-Aug-2007 23:37
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Look at these Americans...nothing much better to do then keep speculating & spreading rumours. Scully bo cut rates then stocks won't jump, many people will jump off the buildings or...Mrt tracks... Stocks jump on merger talk Major gauges rise on a wave of potential acquisitions and bets that the Fed will cut rates next month; bond prices slip. |
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hikitty
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22-Aug-2007 23:31
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Thanks Tanglinboy for the good work. Will have to wait till tomorrow morning to know whether the closing was high. Agree that high opening does not mean it will definitely close higher. If only the mkt is that easy, high opening equals high closing, which is not always the case! | |||||
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