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bengster68
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02-May-2008 14:33
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Bro P-A-E, thanks your your update on CREATE trial. The webpage cannot access leh but the trial results are stunning. Maybe you can direct copy them and paste it for everyone here? Sirolimus already a powerful drug (Biolimus is an analogue version of Sirolimus). Add sirolimus on a biodegradable polymer and it will become a very potent DES technology combination. I think why Dr Ormiston questioned about CREATE trial was becos a few months ago, i heard from someone in the industry that Microport got into some trouble about the validity of their clinical trials when they obtained their "Firebird" DES approval in 2003. The ex-China FDA chief (now already executed) was the person that Microport was dealing with previously when the Chinese authorities approved Firebird DES. | ||||
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PensionAlterEgo
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02-May-2008 14:12
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Thanks to bengster for pointing out the market segment in China. It seems like MicroPort has the largest share of the pie now. But results from CREATE, which I have cut and paste from an April 1st 2008 article probably shows pretty good results for EXCEL DES. "Twelve-month follow-up data were available for 2,060 patients (99.2 percent). After 12 months, the overall rate of major cardiovascular complications was 2.77 percent, including cardiac death in 23 patients (1.12 percent), heart attack in 8 patients (0.39 percent), and repeat coronary procedure in 32 patients (1.55 percent). Death from any cause occurred in 34 patients (1.64 percent), including 11 noncardiac deaths. Overall, thrombotic complications occurred in 16 patients (0.78 percent), including six definite cases, five probable cases and five possible cases. Of these, three thrombotic complications (0.15 percent) occurred after discontinuation of clopidogrel." Results appear to be better than Xience V and Taxus. Perhaps this is why Dr. Ormiston who reports receiving consulting fees and/or honoraria from Boston Scientific and Abbott Vascular, couldn't resist quesioning the validity of the results.. see http://www.theheart.org/article/857107.do Anyway, this really looks good for Biosensors since JW Medical is in a SOLID position to capture a larger market share in China. Excellent move from Biosensors for acquiring JW Medical!!! |
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bengster68
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02-May-2008 11:21
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If 5 years ago JNJ bought over BIG for just US$300m (just a scenario), JNJ would have been still the undisputed DES king now and the next 10 years. If JNJ still don't acquire BIG now, by 2010 JNJ's Cordis can just close shop. Im serious about this. The writing is already clearly on the wall for JNJ. This is the result of an MNC's mistake of bad acquisition decision (buying Conor instead of BIG). JNJ need just one more good acquisition to turn their fortunes around. BIG is their one and only hope left. Top-class DES technology and patents. CE approval and China JWMS are big big bonus. | ||||
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bengster68
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02-May-2008 11:09
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Yes, the figures are right. This under BIG's "Champion" DES using Everolimus drug, Biodegradable polymer and S-Stent (stainless steel). Guidant played "dirty" and claimed that the s-stent can crack and discountinued the "Champion" program. BIG wanted to further look into their complains as S-stent is a proven BMS already and no had such complains before. But Guidant just "bo chap" and started their own version of DES after they "leant some skills" from BIG. This is a basta#d Ang Moh Chao Kuan pattern. I think Guidant want to stop paying future royalties under "Champion" program and avoid breaching BIG's "Limus on biodegradable" patent so they started their own Everolimus DES on their "Multi-link Vision" BMS on durable polymer to avoid breach of patent. But they have learnt a bit of DES skills from BIG and created their own Xience DES. Up to them to use durable polymer because Xience have late-thrombosis problems liao. Xience DES can never beat Biomatrix on this blood clot area. I also believe Biomatrix has a slight advantage over Xience for short-term performance. BIG is the real grandmaster of DES technology. But what a waste BIG does not have the funds to accelerate their DES programs. If JNJ had taken over BIG years ago, ABT and MDT will never have a chance as a new entrant into this DES industry. I said before JNJ is calling bluff and they are starting their new Sirolimus Costar DES so that JNJ will not look so desperate for new acquisition. This new DES will never work and in actual fact JNJ is eyeing BIG. Its like a poker card game and they don't show their real intentions. Just like BIG said many times they want to remain independent. Offer BIG $3 and see what happens. Also, the bloomberg article figures may be wrong. Current global DES sales are over US$5B a year. It peaked in 2005 at US$6B a year. I think Xience only has a current market share of around 10%. One year later can grab 36% of global market share is overly optimistic. I have attached a pie chart on annual global DES sales from BIG's analysts conference on Aug 2007:
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XiaoMaGe888
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02-May-2008 10:43
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Where is our Master Beng, P/s comments !!!! ![]() |
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02-May-2008 10:30
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BIG sue Guidant for 'breach of good faith' - meaning that they were suppose to continue clinical trials using BIG's technology, but they did not.(In which Guidant has lost the lawsuit and paid US$15m) All this is 'water under the bridge' - no point looking at it. Guidant does not have to pay royalties for their Xience stent to BIG, but as BIG still holds the patent for 'Everolimus drug/and all limus drugs using bio-degradable polymer' in that sense their patent is still intact and they can still collect royalties from any company that wants to use this technology. | ||||
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PensionAlterEgo
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02-May-2008 09:22
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So what you're saying is that since Guidant is using Everolimus on their own stent and own polymer, they do not need to pay Biosensors under the initial licensing deal.. I looked at an exceprt from the following link.. http://www.biosensorsintl.com/sections/press/gs-190303.htm "Under the agreement, Biosensors will receive an initial payment of $20 million for the asset purchase and licensing fee and expects to receive additional payments based on the performance of Biosensors' everolimus stent products in clinical trials. Guidant will also make royalty payments on future sales of products that utilize Biosensors' coating technology and/or its everolimus eluting stents." This deal was done in Mar 2003. And in 2006, Occam which is under Biosensors sued ACS and Guidant for breach of this licensing deal....which Biosensors won in 2007 and received 15 million. Not sure what the breach is.. but will Guidant or Abbott still be allowed to proceed with the Everolimus on other stent if the license covers the above highlighted point? or will Abbott have to pay royalties eventually? |
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01-May-2008 23:27
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I think that BIG sold the clinical trials that they did using their bare metal stent (called the S-Stent), with their own bio-degradable polymer, PLA, and using the drug Everolimus, to Guidant, for US$80m and not US$20m. (correct me if I am wrong) The original idea was for Guidant to carry on further clinical trials using BIG's S-stent, and polymer - in which case BIG will continue to earn royalties. But, unfortunately, Guidant overturn the table on BIG and decided to start new clinical trials using their own Stent, their own permanent polymer and the Everolimus drug and this combination is today called the Xience DES. For info only. |
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PensionAlterEgo
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01-May-2008 22:16
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I was looking through past reports where Biosensors sold their IPs on Everolimus to Guidant for 20mill in 2003 and Guidant was finally bought up by Abbott. On hind side, this seemed to me as poor business decision on Biosensors part since Abbott is now out with Xience V using Everolimus. 20 mill is too cheap and giving away exclusive use of Everolimus! Although the limus might be inferior to Biolimus, it still has rather good trial results and this is now back to haunt Biosensors. In general, selling to a smaller company (Guidant) critical IPs and not foreseeing that it could be bought over by a large player...looks like an own goal. comments? |
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spiderman1234
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01-May-2008 21:24
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Hi Bengster, What is yr comments on Abbot's stent:- What's Abbott Xience Stent Worth? Market Bottom to $70 a Share May 1 (Bloomberg) -- Abbott Laboratories may seize more than a third of the $4 billion market for heart stents when its Xience is approved. That's enough to drive the shares to a 10- year high. Sales of drug-covered stents used to prop open clogged arteries plunged 40 percent, and doctors turned to older, bare- metal versions, after studies in 2006 showed they can trigger clots and increase death rates. Research released in the last year found Xience is safer, persuading doctors to resume use of the drug-coated products. Abbott anticipates U.S. approval of Xience in mid-2008. The performance of the device in patient tests is likely to help it grab market share from Boston Scientific Corp., Johnson & Johnson, and Medtronic Inc. As a result, Abbott may surge 33 percent to $70 a share over the next year as doctors embrace Xience, said Jan David Wald, a Stanford Group analyst. Stephen O'Neil, with Hilliard Lyons in Louisville, Kentucky, says Abbott may reach $75 within two years because of the stent. ``With Xience, Abbott has gone from being a wannabe to one of the most important players,'' said Wald, a Boston-based device analyst, in an interview. ``Abbott is going to trade as a stent company and rise on the success of Xience.'' Xience will garner about 36 percent of the global drug- coated stent market by next year, said Larry Biegelsen, an analyst with Wachovia Capital Markets in New York, in a note to clients. Xience will add about $1.5 billion, or 46 cents a share, to Abbott's earnings by 2012, he said. The market peaked near $5 billion in 2006. Abbott, of Abbott Park, Illinois, fell 73 cents or 1.4 percent, to $52.75 yesterday in New York Stock Exchange composite trading, after dropping 6.8 percent in the 12 months before today. 5,000 Stents a Year Technology advantages will make Xience the top seller, said Samin Sharma, director of interventional cardiology at Mount Sinai Medical Center in New York. Sharma, who implants about 5,000 stents a year, said 60 percent of his procedures will use Xience. ``Abbott is the clear winner,'' Sharma said in an interview. ``Xience is the closest to the ideal stent available for the next several years.'' Medtronic spokesman Joe McGrath declined to say how much market share Xience may command. ``In order to gain any market share, it will have to come to market first,'' McGrath said in an interview. Sharing the Gain Boston Scientific will share some of Abbott's gain because the company will sell a version of Xience called Promus, said spokesman Paul Donovan. J&J spokesman Chris Allman also wouldn't comment on how much market share Xience would grab. J&J's Cypher stent ``has the largest clinical body of evidence of any drug-eluting stent,'' he said in a statement. Stents are tiny metal mesh tubes that keep arteries open after doctors clear clogged vessels in a procedure called a balloon angioplasty. The devices are coated with a chemical polymer and drugs to prevent the growth of tissue re-blocking the artery, the main complication of older bare-metal models. The $3,000 drug-coated stents almost completely displaced bare-metal versions in the U.S. in 2005. Boston Scientific's Taxus and J&J's Cypher, both drug-coated products, were used in almost 9 out of every 10 U.S. procedures in the first quarter of 2006. Doctor Attitudes J&J and Boston Scientific have both said the proportion of stent surgeries done with drug-covered versions rose in the first quarter of 2008, the first hint new data is already changing doctor's attitudes. Each percent rise in the share of operations done with coated stents adds $30 million to the U.S. market, and every percentage gain in the number of total procedures adds another $15 million, according to Boston Scientific research. ``The market is turning around now that the data is almost overwhelmingly about the safety of drug-coated stents,'' said Gregg Stone, head of cardiovascular research at Columbia University Medical Center in New York, in an interview. ``By the end of the year we will easily see more than 70 percent of surgeries done with drug-coated stents.'' Drug covered stents won't be used quite as much as they were before clot risks were revealed because some patients won't be able to take anti-clotting drugs such as Bristol-Myers Squibb Co.'s Plavix, said A. Michael Lincoff, vice chair of the department of cardiovascular medicine at the Cleveland Clinic in Ohio, in an interview. `Not a Good Candidate' ``There's a real risk of clots when patients stop Plavix, and any patient likely to be noncompliant with that therapy isn't a good candidate for a drug coated stent,'' Lincoff said. In 2009, U.S. stent sales will rise 5 percent to $1.7 billion, Biegelsen says. Xience, and a version of the same product marketed by Boston Scientific under the name Promus, will gain 40 percent of that revenue, he said. Medtronic's drug- coated Endeavor stent will grab 20 percent, and Taxus will take 29 percent, leaving Cypher with 11 percent. Bruce Nudell, an analyst with UBS Investment Research in New York, paints a slightly more optimistic picture of the longer term prospects for Cypher and Taxus, though he too sees the older devices losing share to new competitors. Boston Scientific's share of the U.S. market will drop to 32 percent by 2010, from 55 percent last year, Nudell said in a note to clients. By 2010, Abbott will capture 30 percent of the market, and Medtronic will gain 20 percent, leaving about 18 percent to Johnson & Johnson. Boston Scientific and Johnson & Johnson say they have long- term data that will help them compete with Abbott and Medtronic. New studies show their stents are particularly effective for high-risk patients, such as those with diabetes. To contact the reporters on this story: Lisa Rapaport in New York at Lrapaport1@bloomberg.netMichelle Fay Cortez in Minneapolis at mcortez@bloomberg.net Last Updated: May 1, 2008 00:00 EDT
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singaporegal
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01-May-2008 21:16
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TA charts show that this counter is looking bearish. Better to be cautious. | ||||
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AK_Francis
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01-May-2008 19:20
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Buy few to keep if it goes lower. Long term, say by mid 09 loh. | ||||
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bengster68
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01-May-2008 13:09
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Actually BIG is very advance in DES technology. BIG is the pioneer and leader in using biodegradable polymer for DES and holds these patents. There are competitors copying BIG's technology but these guys will be caught eventually for patent breach. So far, most experts would agree that limus drugs are the best for DES as compared to paclitaxel drug (which is not as potent but yet toxic by nature). Among all the limus drug, BiolimusA9 is really the top class, followed by Everolimus, Sirolimus and Zotarolimus the least potent. BIG still has Biomatrix-Freedom (polymer free but using BiolimusA9 drug). Another DES BIG is developing is fully biodegradable polymer using 100% PLA and BiolimusA9 drug. These 2 next generation DES are still not licensed out yet. Licensing = multi-million dollars deal and nortmally can further split into territorial area of licensing or small speciality DES companies like Cardiomind, Xtent, Devax, etc. Of course there are newer players claiming to have revolutionary technology. I know a couple of them (one is MITV and the other i forgot the name). They claim their stent can prevent blood clots by using bio-compatible materials but i think these are just good class BMS. Some others use magnesium that biodegrades. I have looked over their clinical trials before and with those kind of clinical results, i feel they are of no threat at all. But we can see the industry is heading towards biodegradable polymer path. Rivals can catch up closer to BIG but still cannot over BIG yet. I doubt any rivals can come out with something better than Biomatrix within the next 5 years. This is how good BIG's DES really is. BIG's clinical results are simply too stunning. But even if your have the best DES technology also no use. BIG must be able to commercialise their products into global market and grab market share. BIG is afterall doing business, not a non-profit research organisation. Dumpings these few days are done by contra punters cutting loss and getting out. You will be surprised there are actually a lot of punters buy BIG in 100 to 400 lots ($300,000 buy limit) with no intention to pay-up when payment is due. This stock has attracted too many such punters. The public float is too big. I have spoke to fund managers about BIG and they said no doubt BIG's shares are very cheap now but they have very little comfort in BIG's large public float. There is no "squeeze" factor even when very solid good news come out. What they mean by "squeeze" factor? If there is very little public float and if there is genuine buying, the share price will move up very quickly because the supply (free float) is limited and cannot keep up with the genuine buying (demand) and hence pushes up the share price quickly. This is the biggest single problem of this stock. Too large free float, many punters taking profit when price move up a little or cutting loss when price drop. However, the fund managers i spoke to are aware of BIG's takeover potential but they don't like to play the "waiting game". Most believe it is very possible for takeover premium to be 100% and above for BIG. Their rational is, if rivals like JNJ wants to takeover BIG, they know the precise reason why they need to buy over BIG and has their own internal valuation to back it up. The offer price even at very high premiums will still be able to pass thru the Board as long as they can justify it. It does matter if BIG's share price is only trading at half their offer price. As long as JNJ can internally justify their offer price, they will go ahead. Nobody knows the industry valuation for takeover better than the DES majors themselves. Small Biotech/pharma takeover deals normally has got very high takeover premiums. |
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exodus
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30-Apr-2008 23:35
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30-Apr-2008 22:48
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so wait for below 65cts then buy > | ||||
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jackjames
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30-Apr-2008 22:37
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you worry too much. |
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exodus
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30-Apr-2008 22:11
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anyone knows which institution is selling? uob? anymore? |
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exodus
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30-Apr-2008 22:09
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juz wondering how low can it go...me vested 50 lots @ 75.5 cents. will buy again if it can go 65cents. |
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exodus
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30-Apr-2008 21:45
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i'm interested to know e ans 2. seems like heavy selling dn. dunno wat's up. |
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genester
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30-Apr-2008 18:29
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Bengster,
In your previous psot, you mentioned that "The regulatory agencies like CE or FDA don't have to reject your approval. They just need to delay and delay for years until competitors (in this case the rival DES big boys) catch up with BIG's technology. " How likely would the competitors catch up with BIG? I am kind of concern if BIG no longer enjoy the edge in the technology.
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