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Salute Master	20-Jun-2011 18:25        Salute About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	don't understand how are you going to do it accordingly Hulumas      ( Date: 20-Jun-2011 17:28) Posted: Now then I know, how the BB in SGX are cornering all the small players of S-chips here. I 'll do accordingly then! Salute      ( Date: 20-Jun-2011 17:21) Posted: that's why the share market is not easy nowadays, there are so many dirty tricks. Those " syndicate" know that you are smart, they are out smart you. Many times these are not the common shareholders who do it.........which is frustrating, I know. sometimes can be so ugly that it's only 10 or 20 lots to press down the price after 5mins, to create fear. Don't understand why people follow. sad
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Salute Master	20-Jun-2011 18:22        Salute About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	therefore it kept dropping too Hulumas      ( Date: 20-Jun-2011 17:34) Posted: YES! Salute      ( Date: 20-Jun-2011 17:29) Posted: is  S chip means any china stocks listed here regardless of countries of registration(country which it incorporated), even Yangzhijiang(not penny stocks)
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Hulumas Supreme	20-Jun-2011 18:08        Hulumas About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood: Yells: "INVEST but not TRADE please!"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yes, that is the other side of the BB dirty trick! AnthonyTan      ( Date: 20-Jun-2011 17:48) Posted: You will also  notice that many stocks will be pushed up before closing in a bull mkt. Hulumas      ( Date: 20-Jun-2011 17:13) Posted: Noticeably, I do not know why, within the 5 minutes closing matching, Mr. Market always purposely like to press the market down, especially towards almost all the S-chips counters. . . WHY? WHY? WHY?
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AnthonyTan Elite	20-Jun-2011 17:48        AnthonyTan About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood: Yells: "patience"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	You will also  notice that many stocks will be pushed up before closing in a bull mkt. Hulumas      ( Date: 20-Jun-2011 17:13) Posted: Noticeably, I do not know why, within the 5 minutes closing matching, Mr. Market always purposely like to press the market down, especially towards almost all the S-chips counters. . . WHY? WHY? WHY?
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Hulumas Supreme	20-Jun-2011 17:34        Hulumas About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood: Yells: "INVEST but not TRADE please!"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	YES! Salute      ( Date: 20-Jun-2011 17:29) Posted: is  S chip means any china stocks listed here regardless of countries of registration(country which it incorporated), even Yangzhijiang(not penny stocks)
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Salute Master	20-Jun-2011 17:29        Salute About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	is  S chip means any china stocks listed here regardless of countries of registration(country which it incorporated), even Yangzhijiang(not penny stocks)
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Hulumas Supreme	20-Jun-2011 17:28        Hulumas About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood: Yells: "INVEST but not TRADE please!"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Now then I know, how the BB in SGX are cornering all the small players of S-chips here. I 'll do accordingly then! Salute      ( Date: 20-Jun-2011 17:21) Posted: that's why the share market is not easy nowadays, there are so many dirty tricks. Those " syndicate" know that you are smart, they are out smart you. Many times these are not the common shareholders who do it.........which is frustrating, I know. sometimes can be so ugly that it's only 10 or 20 lots to press down the price after 5mins, to create fear. Don't understand why people follow. sad
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Joe2020 Veteran	20-Jun-2011 17:25        Joe2020 About Contact  Quote this Post!   Yells: "I am the Oracle sent forth unto you that ye shall be warned"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	It is clear as daylight and self explanatory. In every office or workplace there is a system they called it housekeeping.....5 minutes before 5 o'clock....all rubbish must go into the rubbish bin and the place must be tidy up for tomorrow's job...Understand!!! Hulumas      ( Date: 20-Jun-2011 17:13) Posted: Noticeably, I do not know why, within the 5 minutes closing matching, Mr. Market always purposely like to press the market down, especially towards almost all the S-chips counters. . . WHY? WHY? WHY?
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Salute Master	20-Jun-2011 17:21        Salute About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	that's why the share market is not easy nowadays, there are so many dirty tricks. Those " syndicate" know that you are smart, they are out smart you. Many times these are not the common shareholders who do it.........which is frustrating, I know. sometimes can be so ugly that it's only 10 or 20 lots to press down the price after 5mins, to create fear. Don't understand why people follow. sad
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Hulumas Supreme	20-Jun-2011 17:13        Hulumas About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood: Yells: "INVEST but not TRADE please!"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Noticeably, I do not know why, within the 5 minutes closing matching, Mr. Market always purposely like to press the market down, especially towards almost all the S-chips counters. . . WHY? WHY? WHY?
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Hulumas Supreme	20-Jun-2011 16:51        Hulumas About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood: Yells: "INVEST but not TRADE please!"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Simply no base of saying that! Joe2020      ( Date: 20-Jun-2011 16:49) Posted: It has already gone into that direction. Those who want to dream and sing the song I had a dream!! Hulumas      ( Date: 20-Jun-2011 16:43) Posted: No way!
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Joe2020 Veteran	20-Jun-2011 16:49        Joe2020 About Contact  Quote this Post!   Yells: "I am the Oracle sent forth unto you that ye shall be warned"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	It has already gone into that direction. Those who want to dream and sing the song I had a dream!! Hulumas      ( Date: 20-Jun-2011 16:43) Posted: No way! Jackpot2010      ( Date: 18-Jun-2011 22:55) Posted: Business Times - 17 Jun 2011 Hock Lock Siew Will S-chips go the way of Clob? By R SIVANITHY THERE are disturbing parallels between China stocks listed here (or S-chips, as they are known) and Malaysian stocks that used to be quoted on Clob International. First, both were admitted into the local market because it was thought that Singapore stocks by themselves do not offer investors a sufficiently large critical mass. Clob was started in the early 1990s when the KL Stock Exchange decided to split with its Singapore counterpart and go its own way, while S-chips were brought in to fill the void created after Clob disintegrated 10 years later. Both were therefore born out of necessity to achieve size as quickly as possible. Second, both had speculative but seductive stories to stoke investor interest: Clob's was a Malaysian infrastructure boom (that benefited the likes of Ekran, Idris Hydraulic and Renong, all companies that enjoyed huge local interest but no longer exist in their original form) and S-chips' was an emergent and roaring China (that benefited anything with 'China' or 'Sino' in its name). Third and most worryingly, both became victims of a major crisis of confidence. In Clob's case, the trigger for a crash was the regional crisis of 1998 that exposed many companies as having weak (and, in some cases, non-existent) fundamentals, and this unfortunately coincided with a controversial Malaysian declaration that Clob was an illegal market. Massive losses were incurred and this created such deep distrust and disillusionment among local investors with Malaysian stocks that no moves have been made since then to revive the sector. This, of course, then begs the question: with S-chips already suffering from massive investor distrust and disillusionment because of mind- boggling accounting irregularities, fraud and governance lapses, can the Singapore Exchange (SGX) really restore confidence in the sector? Or if the steps it takes are seen as being too little too late, will S-chips go the way of Clob? First, though, it has to be said that to lay all the blame on SGX for the S-chip shambles would be unfair since it ignores the role played by the rest of the investment community, all of whom should be held equally culpable. Underwriters, auditors, lawyers, sponsors, fund managers, dealers, remisiers and research analysts were all guilty of foisting Chinese junk onto the investing public. And if we were to be brutally honest, the public itself also played some part by swallowing the China story, ignoring warnings that mainly second-grade companies would choose to list here, and by chasing China stocks to record highs between 2005 and 2008. However, SGX must bear a fair amount of responsibility because, although there are many similarities between the Clob and S-chip fiascos, there is a significant difference: unlike S-chips, Malaysian stocks on Clob were only quoted and traded but were not listed here, so they did not have to satisfy local listing rules. Investors therefore bought and sold Clob stocks at their own risk, fully aware of the fact that there was no official implicit or explicit endorsement of quality. Investors also knew that Clob could have been closed down at any time, so trading was really based on 'caveat emptor'. S-chips, on the other hand, were actively courted by an exchange which (on its website) states that it adopts an 'intelligent regulatory approach' which is 'an attractive consideration for companies striving to be recognised on good corporate governance and transparency'. It adds: 'In fact, a listing on SGX today bears a quality mark that is recognised internationally.' So as far as investors are concerned, even though 'caveat emptor' applies when it comes to S-chips as well, there was a subtle but significant endorsement of some quality when a listing here was granted to a China company - an endorsement that was reinforced when several (at least 20, by our reckoning) were granted approved status under the Central Provident Fund Investment Scheme (CPFIS). So far, the exchange's response to the S-chip scandals has been to ask audit committees to step up their internal controls and for companies to amend their Articles of Association to allow appointment and removal of legal representatives in China. Directors have been encouraged to keep a close eye on cash balances and receivables, and to practise good governance. Papering over the cracks because it's too little too late? Possibly, though you'd have to say that instead of 'cracks', 'yawning fissures' is more apt given the alarming frequency with which fresh S-chip irregularities are surfacing. It's a bit like bolting the barn door after the horses have long fled (back to obscure provinces in China, no doubt). SGX's main problem when trying to salvage confidence in its S-chips boils down to this: if Clob, which was not endorsed by the local authorities in any way could leave such deep and ingrained scars when it collapsed, what of S-chips - which are listed under a regime that subtly advertises quality and has granted many constituents CPF approved status?
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Hulumas Supreme	20-Jun-2011 16:43        Hulumas About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood: Yells: "INVEST but not TRADE please!"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	No way! Jackpot2010      ( Date: 18-Jun-2011 22:55) Posted: Business Times - 17 Jun 2011 Hock Lock Siew Will S-chips go the way of Clob? By R SIVANITHY THERE are disturbing parallels between China stocks listed here (or S-chips, as they are known) and Malaysian stocks that used to be quoted on Clob International. First, both were admitted into the local market because it was thought that Singapore stocks by themselves do not offer investors a sufficiently large critical mass. Clob was started in the early 1990s when the KL Stock Exchange decided to split with its Singapore counterpart and go its own way, while S-chips were brought in to fill the void created after Clob disintegrated 10 years later. Both were therefore born out of necessity to achieve size as quickly as possible. Second, both had speculative but seductive stories to stoke investor interest: Clob's was a Malaysian infrastructure boom (that benefited the likes of Ekran, Idris Hydraulic and Renong, all companies that enjoyed huge local interest but no longer exist in their original form) and S-chips' was an emergent and roaring China (that benefited anything with 'China' or 'Sino' in its name). Third and most worryingly, both became victims of a major crisis of confidence. In Clob's case, the trigger for a crash was the regional crisis of 1998 that exposed many companies as having weak (and, in some cases, non-existent) fundamentals, and this unfortunately coincided with a controversial Malaysian declaration that Clob was an illegal market. Massive losses were incurred and this created such deep distrust and disillusionment among local investors with Malaysian stocks that no moves have been made since then to revive the sector. This, of course, then begs the question: with S-chips already suffering from massive investor distrust and disillusionment because of mind- boggling accounting irregularities, fraud and governance lapses, can the Singapore Exchange (SGX) really restore confidence in the sector? Or if the steps it takes are seen as being too little too late, will S-chips go the way of Clob? First, though, it has to be said that to lay all the blame on SGX for the S-chip shambles would be unfair since it ignores the role played by the rest of the investment community, all of whom should be held equally culpable. Underwriters, auditors, lawyers, sponsors, fund managers, dealers, remisiers and research analysts were all guilty of foisting Chinese junk onto the investing public. And if we were to be brutally honest, the public itself also played some part by swallowing the China story, ignoring warnings that mainly second-grade companies would choose to list here, and by chasing China stocks to record highs between 2005 and 2008. However, SGX must bear a fair amount of responsibility because, although there are many similarities between the Clob and S-chip fiascos, there is a significant difference: unlike S-chips, Malaysian stocks on Clob were only quoted and traded but were not listed here, so they did not have to satisfy local listing rules. Investors therefore bought and sold Clob stocks at their own risk, fully aware of the fact that there was no official implicit or explicit endorsement of quality. Investors also knew that Clob could have been closed down at any time, so trading was really based on 'caveat emptor'. S-chips, on the other hand, were actively courted by an exchange which (on its website) states that it adopts an 'intelligent regulatory approach' which is 'an attractive consideration for companies striving to be recognised on good corporate governance and transparency'. It adds: 'In fact, a listing on SGX today bears a quality mark that is recognised internationally.' So as far as investors are concerned, even though 'caveat emptor' applies when it comes to S-chips as well, there was a subtle but significant endorsement of some quality when a listing here was granted to a China company - an endorsement that was reinforced when several (at least 20, by our reckoning) were granted approved status under the Central Provident Fund Investment Scheme (CPFIS). So far, the exchange's response to the S-chip scandals has been to ask audit committees to step up their internal controls and for companies to amend their Articles of Association to allow appointment and removal of legal representatives in China. Directors have been encouraged to keep a close eye on cash balances and receivables, and to practise good governance. Papering over the cracks because it's too little too late? Possibly, though you'd have to say that instead of 'cracks', 'yawning fissures' is more apt given the alarming frequency with which fresh S-chip irregularities are surfacing. It's a bit like bolting the barn door after the horses have long fled (back to obscure provinces in China, no doubt). SGX's main problem when trying to salvage confidence in its S-chips boils down to this: if Clob, which was not endorsed by the local authorities in any way could leave such deep and ingrained scars when it collapsed, what of S-chips - which are listed under a regime that subtly advertises quality and has granted many constituents CPF approved status?
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wishbone Master	19-Jun-2011 13:28        wishbone About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I am also holding this stock too.According to the announcement at the SGX website it shall resume trading by 22 July and hopefully everything is going fine. Haha!!   davidoch      ( Date: 19-Jun-2011 09:28) Posted: Hols some s chip like Sino Env , luckily it went into RTO and will be back for tradign soon. Guess this guy with governor linked tat help..
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davidoch Member	19-Jun-2011 09:28        davidoch About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Hols some s chip like Sino Env , luckily it went into RTO and will be back for tradign soon. Guess this guy with governor linked tat help..
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Jackpot2010 Master	18-Jun-2011 22:55        Jackpot2010 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Business Times - 17 Jun 2011 Hock Lock Siew Will S-chips go the way of Clob? By R SIVANITHY THERE are disturbing parallels between China stocks listed here (or S-chips, as they are known) and Malaysian stocks that used to be quoted on Clob International. First, both were admitted into the local market because it was thought that Singapore stocks by themselves do not offer investors a sufficiently large critical mass. Clob was started in the early 1990s when the KL Stock Exchange decided to split with its Singapore counterpart and go its own way, while S-chips were brought in to fill the void created after Clob disintegrated 10 years later. Both were therefore born out of necessity to achieve size as quickly as possible. Second, both had speculative but seductive stories to stoke investor interest: Clob's was a Malaysian infrastructure boom (that benefited the likes of Ekran, Idris Hydraulic and Renong, all companies that enjoyed huge local interest but no longer exist in their original form) and S-chips' was an emergent and roaring China (that benefited anything with 'China' or 'Sino' in its name). Third and most worryingly, both became victims of a major crisis of confidence. In Clob's case, the trigger for a crash was the regional crisis of 1998 that exposed many companies as having weak (and, in some cases, non-existent) fundamentals, and this unfortunately coincided with a controversial Malaysian declaration that Clob was an illegal market. Massive losses were incurred and this created such deep distrust and disillusionment among local investors with Malaysian stocks that no moves have been made since then to revive the sector. This, of course, then begs the question: with S-chips already suffering from massive investor distrust and disillusionment because of mind- boggling accounting irregularities, fraud and governance lapses, can the Singapore Exchange (SGX) really restore confidence in the sector? Or if the steps it takes are seen as being too little too late, will S-chips go the way of Clob? First, though, it has to be said that to lay all the blame on SGX for the S-chip shambles would be unfair since it ignores the role played by the rest of the investment community, all of whom should be held equally culpable. Underwriters, auditors, lawyers, sponsors, fund managers, dealers, remisiers and research analysts were all guilty of foisting Chinese junk onto the investing public. And if we were to be brutally honest, the public itself also played some part by swallowing the China story, ignoring warnings that mainly second-grade companies would choose to list here, and by chasing China stocks to record highs between 2005 and 2008. However, SGX must bear a fair amount of responsibility because, although there are many similarities between the Clob and S-chip fiascos, there is a significant difference: unlike S-chips, Malaysian stocks on Clob were only quoted and traded but were not listed here, so they did not have to satisfy local listing rules. Investors therefore bought and sold Clob stocks at their own risk, fully aware of the fact that there was no official implicit or explicit endorsement of quality. Investors also knew that Clob could have been closed down at any time, so trading was really based on 'caveat emptor'. S-chips, on the other hand, were actively courted by an exchange which (on its website) states that it adopts an 'intelligent regulatory approach' which is 'an attractive consideration for companies striving to be recognised on good corporate governance and transparency'. It adds: 'In fact, a listing on SGX today bears a quality mark that is recognised internationally.' So as far as investors are concerned, even though 'caveat emptor' applies when it comes to S-chips as well, there was a subtle but significant endorsement of some quality when a listing here was granted to a China company - an endorsement that was reinforced when several (at least 20, by our reckoning) were granted approved status under the Central Provident Fund Investment Scheme (CPFIS). So far, the exchange's response to the S-chip scandals has been to ask audit committees to step up their internal controls and for companies to amend their Articles of Association to allow appointment and removal of legal representatives in China. Directors have been encouraged to keep a close eye on cash balances and receivables, and to practise good governance. Papering over the cracks because it's too little too late? Possibly, though you'd have to say that instead of 'cracks', 'yawning fissures' is more apt given the alarming frequency with which fresh S-chip irregularities are surfacing. It's a bit like bolting the barn door after the horses have long fled (back to obscure provinces in China, no doubt). SGX's main problem when trying to salvage confidence in its S-chips boils down to this: if Clob, which was not endorsed by the local authorities in any way could leave such deep and ingrained scars when it collapsed, what of S-chips - which are listed under a regime that subtly advertises quality and has granted many constituents CPF approved status?
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wishbone Master	18-Jun-2011 22:33        wishbone About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	With all these news about S chips since last year, especially the Penny Stocks,  I wonder it is going to be Price Stocks or Panic Stocks. Only time will tell. If you do not have a strong heart or capital, it is best to avoid and stay far far away. There are  many ways to go to Rome. Haha!!!!
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Hulumas Supreme	18-Jun-2011 20:15        Hulumas About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood: Yells: "INVEST but not TRADE please!"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I do not mind. Thank you! I am not asking you to buy. tanglinboy      ( Date: 18-Jun-2011 16:02) Posted: I have always avoided S Chips. Too risky for me. We need more regulatory control.
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tanglinboy Elite	18-Jun-2011 16:02        tanglinboy About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood: Yells: "hello!"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I have always avoided S Chips. Too risky for me. We need more regulatory control.
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Hulumas Supreme	18-Jun-2011 13:13        Hulumas About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood: Yells: "INVEST but not TRADE please!"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Once you fully understand S-chips business prospect, and intending for LONG term holding horizon, you dare, like and only focus for buying S-chips and not other counters! You buy as much as you can comfortably aford and will be much much on multi folds rewarding later. Just read my lips please! niuyear      ( Date: 14-Jun-2011 14:08) Posted: First and foremost ,    when a company is out to " CHEAT" ,  besides those  who plot the cheat, who should be the first to know of this? The Accounting and Finance person of that company!!!!! medivh      ( Date: 14-Jun-2011 00:08) Posted: Bad business and monkey business are different..and very different. Good posts by Jackpot from biz times that sums up almost everything to do with S-chips and the qn of " who still dares to buy S-chips" so far the comments given by LL and Hulu doesn't justtify any buying catalyst.. All these so called low PE ratio, TA or FA or good earnings cannot really clear the bad aura  of scandals, fraud, and illusionary cash assets. Negative eh? Truth be it!
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