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steffysim
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30-Jul-2007 01:09
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hi ben, I understand how u feel as I had earn in a few other stocks but becuase 1 didn't do well then due to the market correction a few days ago really headache.. However, remember this our action, things had happened so no matter what we had to learnt and pick ourself up and move on in our life. Try make arrangement with your broker to pay back by installment then do some part time or extra jobs and pay back.. just remember to stop for awhile in investing till you get back confident and walk out of the suituation. hey drop me a mail back if you need my email i may converse with u?take care |
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CWQuah
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30-Jul-2007 00:51
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Yeah... the guy who lost S$700k was in a far worse state. His dad sold off their apartment to help tide over the loss. Hi Bentan79, I agree with awchyeong's suggestion... do speak to your family and closest relatives. If it's feasible to try out for your case, a short term loan from them to help pay back the brokerage firms will tide you over perhaps a bit better, and you'll avoid sustaining too much interest on the debts. If you're still young (assuming you're only 28 going by your nick), then time is still on your side, and you can still earn back your temporary losses. Just have to bite the bullet, perhaps put in more effort in your current job if you can (improving your income), and move on. Above all, don't lose yourself, have faith, and do count your blessings if you feel down. I would think quite a lot of Sharejunction members are very willing to hear you out too, so do feel free to post. |
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hohokit
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30-Jul-2007 00:19
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I think 30k lost is a blessing in disguise for Bentan79 and can be settle without much problem with the broker.Remember the guy who lost 700k in Feb. |
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GerGer
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30-Jul-2007 00:05
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i m tinking whether shall i direct ben to an expert. maybe he cn help? |
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awchyeong
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30-Jul-2007 00:02
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Hi Bentan, Tell your parent about your problem. even they are unable to help you all but at lease can help in certain degree. as a parent even they are angry about you mistake, finally they will help to solve your problem. They are the only one will help you without any condition. |
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cashiertan
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29-Jul-2007 23:30
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after 1997, i never hear norm ppl win money from contra in mid and long term.. wonder if anyone hear b4? |
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GerGer
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29-Jul-2007 23:20
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poor ting. i oso loss a few thousand juz within 1 wk. wat a horrible wk. |
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Luckyhuat
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29-Jul-2007 22:07
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I sympathise with yr losses...pick yrself up,arrange for installment repayment..don't be made a bankrupt ..not worth the repercussions are too much.Be slow to take profit but cut loss fast no ever wait for it to rebound..advice never to play contra..how to make $$$ within T+5 Day...cannot time so perfectly..sometimes news purposely delayed to wipe out the weak/contra players |
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singaporegal
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29-Jul-2007 22:02
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elfie is right.... my advice is try not to play contra. Always trade or invest with money that you can afford to lose. |
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zorkss
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29-Jul-2007 21:57
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SIGH..... Ben, My guess is that you are still young (28?) and this is one lesson you will never forget for a long time. But I guess you are now in a deep hole and kudos to you for turning to this forum to ask for advise. No point trying to keep a brave front and drown in your debts. Your plan of repayment sounds logical and I believe the brokers will be happy to help you clear your debt. It would involve really tightening your belt, bite the bullet and roughing it out with your repayments. It's not going to be easy as your outstanding debt is almost a year's income. As 'brethren' in this world of stock invesments, we would be happy to offer words of encouragement and advise if you need it. Only you can take this path of bitterness but rest assured we will be by your side. One step at a time, my young friend. Take Care.... As the Liverpool anthem goes.....You'll Never Walk Alone. |
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baseerahmed
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29-Jul-2007 21:18
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Face reality and effortless change will take place -- Zen ( i don't know ur background but you have displayed great bravery by sharing and asking total strangers like us for advice on ur recent loss....my thoughts are similar to elfinchilde's ...you are still young ...u can even consider getting part-time job to supplement ur income to pay off the installments.... just do it ! ..... the best is yet to be ! ) |
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elfinchilde
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29-Jul-2007 14:52
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yep, well said by investment. :) and yep, bentan, chins up. no point letting worry drag you down. after all, think about it this way: the damage is done already, isn't it? will worry help you solve the problem? as humans we then to think and second guess alot. but then, worry and regret solves nothing. so yep. do what is necessary to help yourself. take proactive steps. most impt is to learn from the mistake. i'm sure you'll be stronger after this. :) with regards to the two counters: starcruises is a definite sell; map if you can hold, might actually have a chance of recovery, but not for a month or so. why i'd say sell is perhaps more for your peace of mind? since, do correct me if i'm wrong, but you're probably very stressed right now, and i don't think you can watch the screen clearly and rationally, whilst working your job and figuring out plan with brokers? ie, unless i'm mistaken, if we were to rationally sort out what's weighing you down, it's three things: 1) map and starcruises (along with watching the market and twitching over every bid movement) 2) loan repayment 3) focusing on your job, which you can't afford to lose. (and you've already said you can't conc on it) in investing, one works with his personality, not against. So the first is one worry which you can cut out straight. in which case, bite the bullet and take the loss; don't look back after. Not because these counters don't have chance of going up, but so that you can conserve strength to solve (2) and (3), which are the more important problems. pls don't take the above as me telling you what to do, ok? elfie's not so presumptuous. am just sharing my approach to problems. so take of it what will help you, yea? :) if the 79 behind your name is your age, then well, elf's actually younger than you. but yea. we all have our own problems, and duties, and responsibilities. me, i'm just taking over the loan for my grandma's flat; and trust me, it's way more than the 25-30k that you're losing. hehe. but well, that's life. we just do the best we can with what we have. When trouble's at your door; all the more one has to keep calm. The key, to me, is to focus and not let things get you down. Am currently investing for my family too; so perhaps that's one guard against greed: if you can think and say to yourself, that this is for them, (or for my own future), then you might be less tempted to give up long term gains for short. whatever it is, it is all part of life. Just as there are downs, there will, always be ups. So keep your chin up, focus on your job, on solving the loan problem. Don't worry or stress; focus on what you can do. and then, just do it bit by bit. You can. :) cheers! |
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winsontkl
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29-Jul-2007 14:00
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With the exception of China market, the rest seems to follow the DOW down, do you think that ASIA can resist the impact since trade reliance has shifted to China and Europe????? |
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hmm3101
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29-Jul-2007 13:22
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I think it's time we delinate SGX with Dow.....SG economy is well diversified after so many lessons we had learnt in the past. We are now less than 30% trade exposure with the US compare to 10 yrs to 15 yrs ago. The current downside sentiment will not affect SGX in the mid-term. What most unfortunate is that we are parts of Asia. As you know, most of these countries economy still depend very much on US, so we could not avoid the punishment. Sigh.... |
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1234567
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29-Jul-2007 13:19
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hi investment, well-said and thanks for sharing your thought/experience. |
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investment
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29-Jul-2007 12:58
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We all have our own investment strategies, I'm not here to tell you what works best and what sucks wind, but one thing I do know, if your investing strategy involves greed you will probably lose' more often than you win'. It's certainly not always an easy thing, to keep greed out of your investments, especially when you're in a stock that's on a nice uphill ride. Any prudent investment approach should contain some form of an exit strategy, simply put how you plan on getting out of (selling) the stock you hold. This would be one way to avoid greed, have a set price at which you intend on selling the stock, walk away with the money in your pocket and move on to the next investment. Not always as easy as it sounds though is it? Prior to buying into a stock you should have some sort of idea at what price you would like to sell it, hopefully you don't have to hold it for 10 years in order for it to reach that price. Sometimes you buy into it and if you timed it just right, you start to see the price go up sooner rather than later. When you start counting the dollars you are making seems to be when the exit strategy flies out the window and greed comes creeping in. I mean, gee, who knew when you bought it that the stock was going to rise so high, so fast, why sell now when you could make so much more money? It would be downright silly to get out now when you could clearly make much more cash if you held on to it. Somewhere deep within your being, there should be something rejecting this argument, and reminding you of your exit strategy and how you've gone past the price you told yourself you were going to be out of that stock and onto the next one.
Take your profits when you can Discipline is a big factor when investing in the stock market. By employing some self-discipline you can keep your head about your initial investment strategy and keep greed from banging down the door. If the stock you invested in has made a nice move, and you have made the money you hoped to make off of it, then get out of it while the getting is good. If it seems as though the price is going to continue to increase, then why not take out your original investment plus a small profit (if possible) and leave the rest. At least you wouldn't be losing any money by taking your profits when they are presented to you. You could have the best of both worlds if you chose to employ this strategy, you made your money (or at least didn't lose any) and if the stock goes to the moon you'll be laughing all the way to the bank, or at least to your next investment. The other option, let greed take the wheel, you could make way more money if you don't take any profits and let the whole thing ride up the hill. Sure, you could stand to make a lot more off of your investments and I'm sure many people do, but the problem with this approach, where is the top? And when it reaches the top is it going to stay there for a while or come crashing down at record speed? What if it reaches this peak while you're on vacation, or sick and can't get to your computer to make the all important trade? It's amazing how fast all those profits can disappear and you are no further ahead then when you first invested in the stock. The main point to all this? Greed has a home and a mother, just like the ugly duckling, just perhaps not in stock market investing. Obviously, investment strategies vary from person to person, and if you find one that works, and greed is a big factor, well, kudos to you, personally, I've never gained off my greediness, it's always hurt me more than helped me. Anyways, now back to my point. No one can predict with 100% certainty (no one I've ever heard of anyways) what is going to happen with a particular stock or the stock market in general. If you are able to keep your head about your investments and keep greed out, you could stand to make some tidy profits so that you can keep investing, employing your investment strategy and hopefully making some decent money at the whole thing. |
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cheongwee
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29-Jul-2007 12:47
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I think come monday dow will rebound,thus i think monday morning..market will be generally side to up a little...the last time in feb market down for less than a wk..i think this round may be a little more than a wk longer.. For those contra loses..i think since you are down ,might as well wait...US economy was good 3.4% and treasury chief Paulson said subprime was not so bad to calm market..so the dow may spring a surprise...hold first..i dont think any big downslide freom here..hope everyone ok in the end. |
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taybc1071
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29-Jul-2007 12:17
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hi bentan 79, sorry to hear that you are caught in the correction. As what the other forumers have advised, work out a repayment plan with your broker. Remember do not allow this mistake to affect your work. At this moment in time, you need the pay to service the instalment payment. Always remember this, trade within your mean. Contra play is very risky. |
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twinkle
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29-Jul-2007 12:03
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hi bentan 79, 1st & importantly, u need to talk to your brokers about your situation and work out a plan. i'm sure they will be happy to help 'cos if u are declared as a bankrupt, it will not benefit them as well. make sure u can fulfil the monthly instalment plans, do not default payment. 2nd, seek help from your family members/friends and see if they can help in anyway. your account will be suspended until everything has been cleared so u can't trade for the time being. be strong n do not be despaired. it happens to some people. this expensive lesson will make u a wiser person. |
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smartrader
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29-Jul-2007 11:43
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Ask for reducing interest rate repayment plan.... |
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