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pharoah88
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24-Aug-2010 13:00
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STRADDLER is HERE fOrget abOut MRT and BUSES
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pharoah88
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24-Aug-2010 12:56
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Simplifying the fare system
Let’s use distances as the crow flies
I AGREE with Ms Neo Chai Chin’s commentary, “‘Fairer fares’ message lost in transition” (Aug 23).
The extremely complicated new fare structure seems to suggest that only the Public Transport Council (PTC), public transport operators and Land Transport Authority will be able to explain to the public how fares are calculated. Factoring in the time taken to make a transfer between train lines complicates matters.
The train system in some cities (Bangkok and Paris, for example) sees the city divided into a certain number of zones. If you travel to another stop within the same zone, you pay the base price for travelling with a single zone.
When you cross zones, you pay according to the number of zones crossed.
Hence the fares are, in effect, distance-based fares. Furthermore, it is easily explained and digested by the public.
However, commuters travelling a short distance within a single zone have to pay the same fare as others who travel longer distances within the same zone, which some might view as unfair.
Singapore’s distance-based structure is therefore, in theory, a better system.
But to minimise the confusion, and to make the fares transparent to all, why not base fares solely on distance between destinations as the crow flies — not dependent on a train’s route, or factoring in transfer times?
The distances as the crow flies can be determined very easily at the Government website
Wouldn’t it make sense for the fares to be roughly on par?
Involving the time factor in fare calculations when we have been given to understand that fares are distancebased just makes the system more complex.
This flaw in our system must be addressed quickly because as Singapore adds more bus and train routes, the number of combinations to reach our destination will only increase.
I am sure that if the system is simple and seen to be fair, and without ambiguity, even those who have to pay more will come to accept the system. |
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niuyear
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24-Aug-2010 12:50
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Conclusion : If public transports is hell of a problem to some people, then, plse go and buy a car. but, then, dont complain there are too many ERP, road tax,...........whatever....................!!! If still want to complain, then,, move to a place near to public transport, shopping where one needs not take public transport except perhaps, to and from work....... Fair enough??? |
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niuyear
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24-Aug-2010 12:44
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Conculsion : If 'TIME' = MONEY : I wont mind paying more just to have a shorter route to travel to where i want to go . |
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pharoah88
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24-Aug-2010 12:41
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In STATISTICS, this CASE belongs to one of the two TAILS on the Population Distribtuion BELL CURVE. It is an eXceptIOn rather than the nOrm. It is nOt the BAD TAIL, BLACK SWARM, which brought the World Financial Tsunami. Rather, it is the GOOD TAIL, WHITE DUCK. Both WHITE DUCK and BLACK SWARM are the mInOrItIes. nOt the majOrIty of pOpulatIOn. bOth WHITE DUCK and BLACK SWARM are nOt REPRESENTATIVE Of the WHOLE POPULATION ?
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pharoah88
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24-Aug-2010 12:35
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Distance-based fare saves time, money Letter from Tan Hong Boon I REFER to Ms Angie Lim’s letter “New distancebased fare cheaper but ...” (Aug 23). For the past few years, I have been travelling from my home in Serangoon North to my church in Henderson Road by Service 132. Under the old fare system, this option was the cheapest. However, it was also the most time-consuming. The bus journey alone took me about an hour, excluding waiting time. Of course, I have other options. I could travel by Service 25 to the Ang Mo Kio MRT Station, then take a train to the Redhill MRT Station before switching to Service 145 to get to my destination. Alternatively, I could take Service 74 to MacRitchie Reservoir before transferring to Service 855. Although these alternative routes would take me less time, I rarely used them because it would cost me much more money. Since the new distance-based fares kicked in, however, I have changed my travelling habits. I have been taking Service 74 and transferring to Service 855 to get to church. Not only is the travelling time shorter, it is also cheaper. Were I to take Service 132 now, it would cost me an extra 17 cents and an extra 15 minutes. In retrospect, the distance-based fare system has had one distinct advantage for me — it has forced me to think of alternative ways to save time and money. |
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pharoah88
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24-Aug-2010 12:29
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The REALITY TRICKY WAY TO INCREASE FARE ON DIRECT TRAVEL nO gOOd reasOn can be used tO increase dIrect travel fares
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Farmer
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23-Aug-2010 12:40
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The new fare system to me maybe fair. However, it will not help save $$ for the majority commuters as they claim, it's actually the opposite. Having said that, I've purposely trial a same journey/route with 3 different mode(Bus, Train, Bus-train) my own, and compare it with the old fare system. The results are as follows: Bus route fare increase from $1.41 to $ 1.53 Train route fare increase from $1.65 to $1.82 Bus-Train route reduce from $ 1.75 to $1.49 So, 2 increase and 1 reduce......... BUT, even if I choose the cheapest mode(Bus-Train) base on new fare system over the cheapest mode(Bus) base on old fare system with negligible time saving, I still need to pay an extra 8cents per journey. Thus, the fare actually increases overall and this is my conclusion. |
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boyikao3
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23-Aug-2010 12:39
Yells: "Money or reputation ?" |
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Oh ! Sex trains in Tokyo is not a secret, you know? There are many people who board crammed packed trains in Tokyo at certain stations just to have quickies or orgies, then they get off (Pun intended!). Maybe SMRT can charge more for such specially designated train cars to increase its profits??
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pharoah88
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23-Aug-2010 11:17
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WORST - BASED FARE SYSTEM: # cOnfUsIOn - BASED ? # deceptIOn - BASED ? # errOrs - BASED ? # Offguard - BASED ? # iNequalIty - BASED ? # iNeffIcacy - BASED ? # iNeffIcIency - BASED ? # iNecOnOmy - BASED ? # nOn-LEASTED COST - BASED ? # nOn nOn-prOfit - BASED ? # nOn-vOluntary - BASED ? # mOnOpOly - BASED ? # nOn-Open Tender - BASED ? # nOn prIce stanIlIty - BASED ? # hIgher prIce - BASED ? # iNflatIOnary - BASED ? # nOn GRASSrOOt - BASED ? # nOn frOm the PEOPLE / by the PEOPLE / fOr the PEOPLE - BASED ? # cOnflIct Of iNterest [COI] - BASED ? |
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pharoah88
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23-Aug-2010 11:01
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BEST - BASED FARE SYSTEM: - PUBLIC NON-PROFIT ? - OPEN PUBLIC BASED ? - OPEN PUBLIC TENDER ? - OPEN EQUALITY FARE SYSTEM ? - OPEN PRODUCTIVITY ASSURANCE ? - OPEN EFFICACY / EFFICIENCY / ECONOMY ASSURANCE ? - OPEN INDEPENDENT PUBLIC BOARD ? - OPEN PUBLIC AUDIT ? - OPEN LEAST COST BASED ? - MINISTERS CIP as INDEPENDENT DIRECTORS ? - MINISTERS CIP as INTERNAL AUDITORS ? - MINISTERS CIP WALKING THE TALK ? - GRASSROOT VOLUNTEERS should be involved as a NATIONAL FARE COUNCIL in the FARE SYSTEM DESIGN and APPROVAL ? - frOm the PEOPLE / by the PEOPLE / fOr the PEOPLE TRANSPORT & FARE SYSTEM ? |
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pharoah88
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23-Aug-2010 10:39
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WHATEVER is The NAME ? ? ? ? DISTANCE - BASED ? TIME - BASED ? SPACE - BASED ? INCOME - BASED ? AGE - BASED ? GENDER -BASED ? CLASS - BASED ? POLICY - BASED ? TAX - BASED ? The bOttOm lIne: Are there PRICE INCREASES ? ? ? ? Are DIRECT TRAVEL PRICES INCREASED ? ? ? ? RETURN to gOOd Old BASICS ? ? ? ? nO nEEd tO bE cOmplex and cOmplIcated ? ? ? ? dOn't nEEd PhDs On transpOrt FARES clarIty ? ? ? ? |
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pharoah88
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23-Aug-2010 10:18
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Latest shOw in tOwn. LIAR GAME DECEPTION is the Name of the Game |
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pharoah88
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23-Aug-2010 10:14
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Last weekend, 21 ~ 22 August, i went to and from the Invest Fair by MRT. The trains were packed and i was perspiring in the Air-cOndItOned train. When sitting down, the aIr flOw was iNsufficIent, sO I preferred tO stand. Extremely unpleasant travel. On Saturday, i sprained my neck while standing in the train due to the cramming into my personal space. People sticking People [PSP] sO clOsely. fOr WHAT ? tO make lOve ? |
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pharoah88
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23-Aug-2010 09:58
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OVERHEARD at foodcourt: Are Minister's Words constituting a GUARANTEE and a PROMISE ? Are Ministers' Words BINDING ?
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pharoah88
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23-Aug-2010 09:49
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New distance-based fare system cheaper but ... Reader now spends more time travelling Letter from Angie Lim I REFER to Transport Minister Raymond Lim was quoted as saying: “Distance fares don’t force us to make transfers in order to benefit. ... Instead, distance fares allow us to choose the best way to get to our destination without worrying about paying extra if we take a transfer.” I am not sure this applies to every commuter. I used to take the MRT to work between Toa Payoh and Bedok every day, with a transfer at City Hall MRT Station. Under the new fare structure, this would cost 10 per cent more. So, to save money, I now take the bus from Toa Payoh to Kallang, where I hop aboard the MRT to Bedok. Yes, this is cheaper than before the fare structure changed. But the journey is much less pleasant. Instead of taking just the MRT, I now have to wait for the bus, which seems to come at unpredictable frequencies and which has to deal with traffic jams during peak hours. I also have to walk further, from the bus-stop to the MRT station. My usual 40-minute journey now takes an hour — a 50-per-cent leap. So, yes, I do save some money under distance fares — but at the cost of my time, a trade-off I would rather not have to make. Today’s report on the discussion in Parliament about distance-based publice transport fares (“Despite the fare bumps ...”, Aug 17).The journey is much less pleasant: Instead of taking just the MRT, I now have to wait for the unpredictable bus. |
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nickyng
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20-Aug-2010 12:05
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will this all time favourite fall below <$2 becos of impending loss running Circle Lines har? hee....stay tuned ! :P |
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pharoah88
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20-Aug-2010 08:37
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pharoah88
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20-Aug-2010 08:35
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a vehicle that takes up no road space You did nOt sEE what yOu saw ?
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KiLrOy
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20-Aug-2010 00:49
Yells: "I buy only what I can see." |
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Think again. Your three lanes road will now be 2 lane road. You will think they will create an extra lane just for this? I dont think so. Remember how they created the bus lane? Did they use the existing road lane for bus lane OR they removed the pavement and space to create the bus lane? | ||
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