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New rules for Naked Short Sell starting 25Sep2008
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ten4one
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25-Sep-2008 10:29
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I think SGX is themselves short of implementing regulations - they only know how to fine Investors (be it genuine mistake or otherwise). As correctly pointed out by an investor, Mr Denis Distant, in the BT today that SGX trading system should be modified to link to the CDP so that all online sale orders are checked for scripts availability before being passed into the system. Don't wait too long SGX! Cheers! |
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Farmer
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25-Sep-2008 10:25
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SGX says investor must be "on the dot" for executing trade, thus, if one made mistake just pay for it. Anyway, ss ban will be review in a months time. Frankly, I do not ss, and hate to do it. This is not investing but gambling. | ||
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des_khor
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25-Sep-2008 10:19
Yells: "Tell me who is the God or MFT from this forum??" |
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Let's say we key wrongly how ah ?? | ||
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ten4one
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25-Sep-2008 10:17
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Let's put thing in proper perspective. We all put our money in the Stock Market in hope of making money. There're a lot of instruements in the Stock Market to put your money in. Therefore, your investment strategy should be based on your knowledge of the instruemets available and of course, on your own comfort level. As a result, you would have many different type of Participants - long, short, buy&hold till thy kingdom come, buy on tips, hit&run..etc... Frankly, it not easy to be able to short the Market. You've to know the exact timing and the environments prevailing and also the situation of the Coy you intend to short..........and of course the guts to believe that you're right! Most of the time, you noticed that The Shortists will go for Companies that're over-valued by The Market and try to bring the px down to 'reasonable' valuations and indirectly prevent an over-heated Market. Shortists are Traders too. As such, the could also be longs as well as shorts - this is their strategy to maximize margings! Cheers! |
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novena_33
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25-Sep-2008 09:03
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same here bro...i never short....only done once with i key in wrongly.......
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louis_leecs
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25-Sep-2008 08:54
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yes,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i dun like short,,,,,,,,,,,,,bec very hight risk to catch by trader,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,we always loose one,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i rather sell off,,,,cut lost ....and stay alideway wait for buy back,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,unlease i make mistake oversold or key wrong button,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,or use cpf to sell than buy ammendment convert to cash if can have a profit | ||
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AK_Francis
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25-Sep-2008 00:45
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AK opine that shorting is not a good game in stock investment, esp for the small retailers, like us. | ||
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des_khor
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25-Sep-2008 00:12
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SGX ENHANCES TRANSPARENCY AND DETERS FAILED SHARE DELIVERY
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lookcc
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24-Sep-2008 23:49
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buy PUT warrant of counter [which one wanna 2 short] is the alternative......if one feels the counter wud fall [on the day itself or nearing warrant's expiry date].
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HLJHLJ
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24-Sep-2008 23:42
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Indeed, I'm against shorting without scripts. If one wants to short, must borrow scripts first. Just like a fish market, to sell fish, you need to have fish. If no fish, must borrow at a price first. However, one question is that what if someone keys in wrong order, Buy becomes sell?? According to the new rule, he will be penalise with 1k!! Wow, a lot!
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Andrew
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24-Sep-2008 22:56
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Pple who short Yanlord today wasn't that lucky.......retail investor min. 1K on top of all the charges. BB subject to penalty of 50K.
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sianz84
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24-Sep-2008 22:05
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So that means as long as we short and cover back on the same day, we won't be penalised? | ||
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herryr
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24-Sep-2008 18:54
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OK, thanks for the clarification ten4one =) | ||
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Andrew
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24-Sep-2008 17:26
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I think also very hard to borrow shares to short...... In US case, Pension Fund stop lending shares for non-finanical cpy.
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ten4one
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24-Sep-2008 17:11
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herryr, as long as you've shares freely available with CDP, your sell order will not be affected by the 'shorting' circulation. Make sure you don't sell more than you have, else you'll have a hard time explaining to them ' the mistake'. Cheers! |
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knightrider
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24-Sep-2008 17:04
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Hi All, I think I make a mistake in the new rule : The correct one is Short Selling needs to cover up before the market close everytime they naked shorted the counter by 5pm daily, still remain the same (Day1). If one who left it open, the next day SGX will announced at 11am, what are the counters need to force buy back, then by 11:30 am, the share will be force buy back (Day2). Then the following day morning (the 3rd day at 8.30am, SGX ) will announce the previous day, what is the volume of the counters force buy-in !!! Pls correct me, if I am wrong. Thks! |
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Andrew
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24-Sep-2008 16:54
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So it is clear now that shortlist is behind the fall in S-shares.......Almost all S-shares have fanastic gain...SinoTechfibe up 5 cts....WOW... |
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herryr
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24-Sep-2008 14:07
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Could someone just confirm this, The conventional way of trading i.e. buy first, and only sell the stocks that you own, isn't affected by the new SGX regulation at all? I find the circulation a bit hard to digest, partyly due to the fact that I never short-sell before ... Thanks ... | ||
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ten4one
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24-Sep-2008 14:07
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The big hedge funds will have problem to cover their open positions. Small Players should be ok. Anyway, if that's the case, time to position yourself for a quicky! Cheers! |
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des_khor
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24-Sep-2008 13:42
Yells: "Tell me who is the God or MFT from this forum??" |
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I guess goverment ask them to act !! |
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