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cybernick
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11-Dec-2007 00:01
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EBITDA might be a deceiving measure to mask real earnings... Anyway the company has a very strong cash position, enough to settle all the debts at once. So no worries... Just strange why they don't want to retire their debts. |
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hogenterprise
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10-Dec-2007 14:07
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how did u arrive at >3 ??? As long as Total Lia / EBITDA <5 and TL/Equity <0.5 , it is OK |
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cybernick
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10-Dec-2007 10:13
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Anyone knows why this company has such a huge long term debt? Long term Debt/current net earnings<1. It doesn't look good. Usually the ratio will be >3 |
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kodiak
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09-Dec-2007 09:33
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i've been studying the TA chart on this counter ... i believe this counter is almost time to surge up soon. |
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invest&earn
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07-Dec-2007 22:57
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Q at 0.5 today but could'nt get it. Too bad .... |
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Champ789
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07-Dec-2007 16:35
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Agree that it is a value stock. Furthermore, current price is lower than Aug's turmoil. Definitely worthy of accumulation. |
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hogenterprise
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07-Dec-2007 15:56
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this article really worth mentioning; at the current price now, it will be >50% of its share price represented by cash LAST week, we discussed why some companies enjoy high price-earnings (PE) multiples. Most investors associate high- PE stocks with high-growth stocks. But as pointed out by consulting firm McKinsey in a couple of its reports, there is another, possibly more important, component which accounts for a stock's high or low earnings multiple. That is return on capital. It makes sense. Growth requires investment, and if the investment doesn't yield an adequate return over the cost of capital, then it will not create shareholder value. That means no boost to share price and no increase in the price-earnings multiple. So a high-PE stock could be one which is generating high growth at a return which slightly exceeds its cost of capital, or one which is chugging along slowly and steadily but earning a return on capital that far exceeds its cost of capital. McKinsey has proposed a three-step approach to disaggregate a company's current market value into its current performance, its return premium, and the value expected from its future growth. Current performance is derived by estimating the value of a company's current earnings in perpetuity, assuming no growth. At no growth, it is assumed that depreciation is equal to capital expenditure, and therefore net operational profit less cash taxes is equal to free cash flow for a business that does not grow. So dividing net operational profits after cash taxes by the cost of capital would give us the value of current earnings, with no growth, in perpetuity. The premise is that companies with the highest ROICs relative to their WACCs are the greatest creators of value for shareholders Return premium is the value a company delivers by earning superior returns on its growth capital. In order to assess how a company's return on growth capital influences its PE multiple, McKinsey recommends discounting a company's cash flow as if it grew in perpetuity at some normalised rate, such as nominal GDP growth. Through repeated analysis, McKinsey has found that the result is a good proxy for the premium a company enjoys in the capital markets because of its high returns on future growth capital. And finally, value from growth represents how much a company delivers by growing over and above nominal GDP growth. It can be calculated as that portion of the company's current market value that is not captured in current performance or the return premium. For a company that grows more slowly than the GDP, this value will be negative. I've decided to use this three-step approach on some Singapore-listed companies. Three-step method First I downloaded from Bloomberg the entire list of stocks traded on the Singapore Exchange with attributes like return on invested capital (ROIC), market capitalisation, their weighted average cost of capital (WACC), and so forth. I then calculated the difference between the ROICs and the WACCs, and ranked them from the highest to the lowest. The premise is that companies with the highest ROICs relative to their WACCs are the greatest creators of value for shareholders. From the top 50 companies, I randomly picked 13 and went through their latest results one by one so as to calculate their pre-tax operating margin, their asset turnover, and their ROIC (excluding and including cash held in banks). Finally, I attempted to attribute how much of the stocks' current market value is from its current performance under a no-growth scenario, how much of it is from return premium, and how much is from expected future growth. The results are pretty interesting. The formula I used to calculate ROIC is net operating earnings before interest and amortisation charges, but after cash taxes divided by total assets, net of excess cash, and non-interest-bearing current liabilities. Almost all the companies on the list have strong ROIC. A company can arrive at a high ROIC by either having a high profit margin, or more efficiently utilising its assets to increase sales. The former is measured by operating profit margin, and the latter by asset turnover. As can be seen from the table, most of the companies are high-margin, low-volume businesses. The three exceptions are Hersing Corp, Apex-Pal and Olam, which are low-margin, high-volume businesses. Meanwhile, a lot of these companies also have a lot of cash. With the exception of MobileOne and StarHub, all have more than 5 per cent of their market capitalisation represented by cash in the bank. The most extreme was C&G Industrial, which according to its June 30, 2007 balance sheet, has 557 million yuan in the bank. That's about $112.5 million, or about 40 per cent of its current market cap of $274 million. I then tried to calculate the value for these companies based on their existing businesses under a no-growth scenario. As suggested by McKinsey, I divided net operational profits after cash taxes by the cost of capital (obtained from Bloomberg) to arrive at that number. So companies whose existing business, under a no-growth scenario, has a higher value than their current enterprise value are presumably undervalued. Enterprise value is market cap plus debts minus cash. From the list, you can see that C&G Industrial tops my list of companies which has the most unrecognised value. As mentioned, it has a lot of cash - some 40 per cent of its market cap is represented by cash. On top of that, assuming it can maintain its first-half operating profit, the company may rake in $44.8 million in pre-tax profits this year. According to Bloomberg, the cost of capital for C&G - a producer of PET chips used to manufacture polyester fibre - is 10.73 per cent. Based on this, that business is worth $335 million, assuming it can maintain that performance in perpetuity. Raising its cost of capital to 15 per cent would reduce the current business worth to $240 million. Add in the company's return premium and the stock still looks undervalued. Other stocks which appear undervalued based on the above screening include Courage Marine, Hersing, MobileOne and Micro Mechanics. In all the above analysis, investors have to decide if they think the respective companies can maintain their current performance for their existing businesses, and that these are not top-of-the-cycle figures. Another factor to consider is the WACC, whether they think it is too low and hence not representative of the risks faced by the companies. For example, Courage Marine is enjoying the very high dry-bulk freight rates now. Can this be sustained? Perhaps the current valuation of its business is high enough, relative to its enterprise value, to allow for the easing of freight rates going forward. As for MobileOne, its high valuation has much to do with its relatively low WACC. Is that justified? Meanwhile, among all the stocks I looked at, Olam has the highest imputed growth value and return premium based on its current enterprise value. The value of its existing business - under a no-growth scenario - only makes up about 19 per cent of its enterprise value today. The writer is a CFA charterholder. She can be reached at mailto:%20hooiling@sph.com.sg  |
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ROI25per
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07-Dec-2007 15:29
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pls wait for me, dun go up so fast as my fund r really dried up at the moment. |
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invest&earn
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07-Dec-2007 11:16
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I am also curious why good stock unable to move up. Maybe have to be more patient. |
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ROI25per
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07-Dec-2007 11:06
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still unnoticed... |
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ROI25per
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06-Dec-2007 15:37
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let's participate in the growth of the fatest growing company in singapore . the last placement of 78m shares was at 58cents... |
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ROI25per
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06-Dec-2007 11:11
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still nobody recognized this fastest growing company in singapore. C&G Industrial awarded the ?Fastest Growing Singapore-Listed China Company? SINGAPORE, 16 November 2007 ? C&G Industrial Holdings Limited (?C&G? or the ?Group?, ? ?), a leading PRC manufacturer of Functional Yarns and Differentiated Polyester Fibre Products, is pleased to announce that it was awarded the ?Fastest Growing Singapore-Listed Chinese Company? at the Times Award 2007 held on 14 November 2007. As part of the prestigious Global Entrepolis 20071, China stocks listed in Singapore were recognized for their outstanding performances at the inaugural Times Awards 2007, an award ceremony meant to highlight the paramount importance of corporate image, corporate governance and financial performance of China stocks listed in Singapore. Singapore's leading credit & business information bureau - DP information - acted as the independent ranking body. The ranking methodology for ?Fastest Growing Singapore Listed China Company? is the growth in market capitalization over the past two years. Together with the ?Fastest Growing Singapore-Listed Chinese Company? award presented at the Times Award 2007, three other award categories were given out namely, ?Highest Return on Equity Singapore Listed China Company?, ?Best Singapore Listed China Company? and ?Excellence in Corporate Governance Singapore Listed China Company?. -- End -- |
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hogenterprise
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04-Dec-2007 15:13
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the most undervalued and fastest growing stock presenting the sale again. |
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JenniferLow
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04-Dec-2007 10:33
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thks for advice. |
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ROI25per
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03-Dec-2007 12:53
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slowing inching up; 55---60--- |
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cashiertan
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30-Nov-2007 16:35
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mani, i see ur genie everywhere! lol i think u should be a insurance agent or sales instead. got potential. |
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ROI25per
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30-Nov-2007 12:07
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slowly recognized its value... |
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ROI25per
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30-Nov-2007 11:30
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this is a counter for next year. jen, suggest u keep it. |
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Manikamaniko.
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29-Nov-2007 13:12
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JenniferLow... :) Normally, people who do averaging down as their stock becomes cheaper and cheaper are actually 'fighting with the market', though they may not be aware of it. During a bear market, people are hit harder and harder as they continue to play the averaging game. But of course some may succeed triumphantly in beating the market this way. It dependours on how lucky they are. But to trade and invest successully as a long-term or lifetime pursuit, I suggest you immediately get this "10-Module Course" to be part of your 'battle arsenal' against the stock market... Because if , you do, you will definitely have that extra edge!!! ... 
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kodiak
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29-Nov-2007 12:43
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this is a good counter but kinda slow - has not been able to break through $0.70 resistance. must prepare to hold for medium or long term. you may want to consider to average down your holdings by getting a few lots cheaply around less than $0.5. the counter may rebounds back to its average $0.6 if market sentiment is good. |
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