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singaporegal
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08-Jul-2007 09:54
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Hi slimsk, Welcome back! This Asia Cruise thing... is it also from Star Cruises? |
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RaymondPhua
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08-Jul-2007 05:04
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Such frail attempts for an apology after all the gunslinging macho bs makes a mockery out of me. No, Vic, I am not one that sits and wait to be stepped on. As I've stated very clearly, any personal attack on my credibility will be dealt with swiftly and justly. The extra unnecessary hours being put into managing this and losing the necessary sleep over this will not end with the dealing of a small fry. I am not as forgiving as I may seem to be. Thanks Cashiertan for the support, send me a mail at 63990898@onemail.com.sg. We'll catch up soon in a 3 dimensional world. |
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cashiertan
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08-Jul-2007 03:57
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Dear Surelywin and cronies, Total Pawnage for you all!! wahaha such lose of face! Guess u guys need more brain before posting.. Again Total Defeat for you all! |
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chinkiasu
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08-Jul-2007 02:49
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yes, Singaporegal.. things are definately better now in Bali.... btw, if you are going do book your SQ flights early as they are fully booked even now.. a few of my friends tried recently and cannot get a seat at all... |
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chinkiasu
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08-Jul-2007 02:40
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Demoiselle Slimsk, you are BACK!!! merci buku.., karibu sana... cead mille faltre.. thousand welcomes...and thanks for the encouraging comments... and yes many thanks for introducing me to use Picassa... i can do my own posting now... no I didnt download the image resizer, with Picassa it is not needed.. hope you had a good holiday... any pics to share...? And Asterisks....ha ha... great play on words.. and seriously sir, no kidding you sir... just respect.. and yes I am fine... so far the stocks that I am vested are doing well... so I went to bali and they went even higher... I am just surfing now..... |
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slimsk
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08-Jul-2007 01:25
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Hi Sporegal, Did u go on your cruise? (sorry i didnt really follow the posts much nowadays) In any case if u're keen on another cruise holiday, i've just received an ad for 7 nite best of asia cruise that has 2 alternatives. One of them is Ko Samui/Ho chi Minh/Tiomen. Check it out! f u r interested i fw send u the ad. |
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slimsk
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08-Jul-2007 01:13
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Hi Chinkiasu, Just saw your Africa photos, simply fabulous! Glad to see that you re using Picassa to create your own albums. Piece of cake isnt it? Did u manage to download the image resizer program? Hi fortunegal, So sorry didnt have time to reply to you before n after my trip. Was very busy with work after my Beijing trip. In any case u might want to check this free s/w image resizer instead of the s/w that u have sent me. |
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singaporegal
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07-Jul-2007 22:08
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Hi chinkiasu, Thanks! I have never been to Bali before. Almost went there a few years back but changed my mind after the Bali bombing. Would definitely like to go again now that things are more stable there. Hi Livermore, Cheers to you! Thanks for the advice. |
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chinkiasu
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07-Jul-2007 19:06
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yes Sir Live forever More, hi, and greetings... I shall have a relook at FeroChina... and no worries, sir... caveat emptor.... and my dear Asterisk ... you are back again too.... btw, they promoted you to senoir... so apt... senoir Asterisk..... do you surf? |
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Livermore
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07-Jul-2007 18:46
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Hi Asterisk, What is your e-mail? I can let you know when is FerroChina's next result. It usually starts 5.30 pm -6pm. Can you make it? Well I am holding FerroChina "forever"..... |
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Livermore
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07-Jul-2007 18:15
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Hi Singaporegal, I was just hoping maybe you can change your strategy a little bit. In that way, hoping you can make more profit.... All the best..... |
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Livermore
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07-Jul-2007 18:10
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Hey all, keep cool.......... |
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chinkiasu
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07-Jul-2007 17:50
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woa, surely must have been some fireworks which I missed...! however, perhaps time for some relaxation folks!! and for this, may I invite you to BALI... to see some surfing action.....! but if you cannot go here is a quick view... http://picasaweb.google.com/chinkiasu/SurfingInBali btw, thanks Baseerahmad & others for appreciating the pics.. and Singaporegal.. I strongly recommend the spas and massage, they are very good and relaxing.. plus inexpensive.. |
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shplayer
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07-Jul-2007 17:24
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Wow, just logged on today....sure seems like there was some fireworks earlier.....only read vic's and elfie's posts but I supose joeman's was deleted by SJ Admin, so I don't know the contents of the post that started all that furore. Whatever it was, it must have been really controversial....cos knowing vic and elfie, they are level headed forumers who contributes their well researched and unbiased opinions to this forum. The crucial thing to remember for all investors and forumers....... YOU, AND ONLY YOU, ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS!!!!!! Anyway, Guys and Gals, keep it cool.......do make your contributions here....but keep personality differences aside. Mainly... KEEP IT FRIENDLY. |
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baseerahmed
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07-Jul-2007 14:05
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As always , we can bank on sister elfinchilde to deliver ! Thanks for putting things in perspective and the short summary to various profiles of trading/ investing ! Its a blessing in disguise that this misunderstandings and commotions happened. This serves as a reality check, especially for newbies and new memebers of SJ who could be carried away with the rosy picture in a recent runaway market condition. At the same time, this demonstrated the maturity , magnanimous gesture and acceptance of responsibilty of all the parties involved. It is precisely this kind of character that leads to the high standard of SJ and makes one be proud to be associated with this forum. Hope another lesson was learnt from this episode , and lets move forward. Cheers ! |
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singaporegal
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07-Jul-2007 14:00
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I agree 100% with elf. Winning or Losing in the stock market is entirely your own responsibility. Take ALL postings in any forum with a pinch of salt. Do your own research and analysis. Trust only yourself! |
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TradeChancellor
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07-Jul-2007 13:48
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Based on the 4 styles, if i were to use cooking analogy, I would be 2 tablespoons of growth, 1.5 tablespoon of value and in near future, occasionally 1 teaspoonful of technical. But no momentum investing, might cause insomia ;) On a more serious note, one of the hurdles for growth investing: Although I would know its good to accumulate when relatively few people are noticing it as mentioned by Elfin, I have to overcome the psychological barrier that I'm one of the few buying the stock. There is always that doubt because as human beings, we would like people to follow our actions (or also doing it concurrently) to validate our behaviour. That is one psychological obstacle that I am facing and would have to overcome. |
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Manikamaniko.
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07-Jul-2007 13:21
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TradeChancellor... :) |
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elfinchilde
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07-Jul-2007 13:17
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for newbies and whom might be interested in investing philosophy. as ipunter rightly points out, one's enemy in the market is exactly that, yourself. So perhaps, it is best to work with and not against your own nature. That means learning what style best suits you, and modifying existing styles to suit your own profile. No need to be a blind graham adherent, or tech adherent, or whatever. Think, and adapt. The following are the common profiles of investors: (just brief summary) 1) Value investing: Perhaps the best example would be Graham Benjamin. The Intelligent Investor. Go read. Quiet, no flash, no splash, hold a counter for years. Once it hits fair value, sell. That is all. When it drops, you buy more. The idea is constancy, an aim of 10-20% pa over a period of more than 15 years. Which is fair, when you consider that in bear markets, every single market in history has given up all their gains of the bull years. 2) Growth investing: The continuation of the value phase. Which is when you pick the fastest growing counters, normally at high PE ratios. Which is presumably justified by its future spectacular earnings. High risk, high reward. Eg, Cisco Systems (US stock). was growing in the 1990s at 30-50% pa for almost a decade. The PE ratio was >100x. But people still bought. Then one day, it crashed. From $80 to about $13. But note, if you get in at the right time, it can be very, very profitable. Think buying Yahoo, Coca cola (one of the buffett stocks, incidentally), procter and gamble, in a time when no one else would have. Or in our local context, buying genting int at its IPO, and still holding on now. 3) Momentum investing: The philosophy behind this is the 80-20 adage. ie, stocks move 80% up/down in 20% of the time. Momentum traders aim to catch this. You'd seldom hold beyond a month. Requires constant watching, fast cutting in and out. That's why a lot of momentum trading is dependent on techs, and not FA (as the 1st two are). Because only techs can map out the psychology and sentiment behind it. Excellent for this year's market. But not likely to succeed in a peaking or bear market. You'd be scrapping the barrel. 4) Technical investing: Rather like momentum, except the holding period is longer. A variety of tools used here, as well. The aim is perhaps less the adrenalin rush of 80-20, but a more sustainable 10-50%, depending on the risk profile of the techie. So yea. that's about it. 4 types of investors. Again, nothing either right or wrong. it's simply finding the style that best suits yourself. not about TA vs FA, or whatever. Most ppl are not just one single type, anyway. They tend to be a mix. So use what suits you, taht is all. Perhaps the most impt thing: don't be buying/selling just because someone says buy/sell. That, is the perfect market trap. Which explains why most retail 'investors' lose long term. In one word: Greed. |
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elfinchilde
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07-Jul-2007 13:01
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re to vic/joeman and whoever else of the two sentiments: 1) the market, as victorian pointed out, is a zero sum game. newbies, or old hands, must realise that whatever advice you choose to follow, no one made the buy/sell call for you but you yourself. As such, accept responsibility for your own decisions. Because, unless in a very, very rare instance which is unlikely to happen in singapore, no one is holding a gun to your head to force you to call your broker and buy a counter. 2) when one makes, all is fine and dandy, esp in the market of the last two weeks: practically any penny you buy will go up. doesn't take an expert or whatever to do the probability stats. But question if it is fair on your part to either worship or blame the person who gave you that 'tip'. After all, if you did not do due diligence, who's to blame but yourself? 3) The trouble with this current crazed market, is just that. Crazed. Don't be ruled by your emotions and easy money. "The intelligent investor" needs to be exactly that. Intelligent. Qn: how many really know what the market is about? how many have really mastered their TA, or FA, or psychology? Or have you just been depending on 'hot tips'? Of course, it takes years to master a skill. And ultimately, the faith of an investor has to be in only one person alone: himself. Make your own minds. 4) SJ Admin has been very, very kind to give a site for free. Let's not abuse the privileges. No defamation, or legalities or such threats. It is a jungle world, yes. Which is why, there are also codes of honour. If you cannot agree, then, agree to disagree. Behave like gentlemen and men of honour, and not petty schoolboys kicking up dirt in a kindergarten schoolyard. 5) ghlau935, really, you do not need to apologise, or feel bad. i was in your situation once, too. but then, i realised. no one forces another to buy/sell. The market takes its own. Zero sum game is exactly that. No place for recriminations, or joy, or megalomania. It's a simple thing: profit, or loss. So yea, no need to apologise, either on your own behalf, or ray's or whoever. Because the simple fact is, none of us have ever claimed to be 100% accurate. it is and always will be, caveat emptor. |
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