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iPunter
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18-Sep-2008 09:44
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The next US president will most likely have a tenure of good rating...
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ten4one
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18-Sep-2008 09:33
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Oh yes! Forget about the Bull & Bear 'cos the next President (whoever he may be) only knows The Pig with Lipstick  Cheers!
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hybridvestor
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18-Sep-2008 01:33
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Time for another review ...... ;) |
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ten4one
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17-Mar-2008 09:58
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This is called 'Market Dynamicism' - Greeds created Fears and Fears created Greeds and money makes the world goes round. Historically, the FED had done well to contain Fears and the Market continue to create new ' ideas' to satisfy their greeds..........! Nothing new actually! Cheers! |
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hybridvestor
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15-Mar-2008 12:13
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A re-cap from point no. 6 of this article : It is possible that some large regional or even national bank that is very exposed to mortgages, residential and commercial, will go bankrupt. Thus some big banks may join the 200 plus subprime lenders that have gone bankrupt. This, like in the case of Northern Rock, will lead to depositors' panic and concerns about deposit insurance. The Fed will have to reaffirm the implicit doctrine that some banks are too big to be allowed to fail. But these bank bankruptcies will lead to severe fiscal losses of bank bailout and effective nationalization of the affected institutions. Already Countrywide - an institution that was more likely insolvent than illiquid - has been bailed out with public money via a $55 billion loan from the FHLB system, a semi-public system of funding of mortgage lenders. Banks' bankruptcies will add to an already severe credit crunch. . |
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hybridvestor
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07-Mar-2008 22:23
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Time to refresh and review this posting .... :) . |
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ten4one
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14-Feb-2008 14:43
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Singapore is small and open economy and very much dependent on exports. With the world's economy slowing, the achievement in growth for 2007 is considered quite good by any standard. Of course, going forward will be tough and no plain sailing; but I'm confident that Singapore could ride-out the rough seas ahead. We must be thankful that Singpore has a huge reserve which will come to good use in bad times! BTW, h'investor, all the data you furnished are all in line with expectation of a slowing economy and not too much of a concern really! What concern me most is whether we could weather the slower growth! Cheers! |
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hybridvestor
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14-Feb-2008 13:45
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Hi ET88888, thanks for your reply too ... :) You said "Singapore economy is doing very well", but I shall beg to defer. In fact, I collected some news headline of Singapore economy performance since this Jan and would like to reproduce here :
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Livermore
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13-Feb-2008 20:59
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Whether one is better off in 1998 when Singapore was in recession or now, I'll let you decide. Widening income gap is also happening in China and India |
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cyjjerry85
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13-Feb-2008 20:57
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we are still seeing a battle of the Bulls and Bears...the latter is stronger...but the former is not giving up its fight as well |
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winsontkl
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13-Feb-2008 20:55
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Think that the recent meltdown still doesn't have the "wake-up call" effect as many are still very positive....believe that we are still at the TIP and there is still a long way down.... Negative??? You can bet on it as the full impact is yet to be felt.... Might be wrong....but better to be safe than sorry..... |
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Livermore
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13-Feb-2008 20:51
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There is no denying current situation affects the poor more than the rich. Well no point arguing whether Singapore will weather the storm and if there will be retrenchment and job cuts. We'll see at the end of the year. |
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teeth53
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13-Feb-2008 20:17
Yells: "don't learn through life, learn to grow with life " |
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Painting a nice picture, S'pore will weather the storm, it does not effect the rich, so we will succeed in matter of fact. Most of the poor will be poorer due to d un-solve widering income gap. A few more millionaire will be made and economic report will again paint a rosy picture. Risk is get risker and only way to get rich is gamble. It is not going to get better, going to go turn ugly further down d road. To the wise, spare a thought and save some for rainy day. S'pore depending on India, China, EU (Gee...) and also alot on US to take in our factory products...rite. One down, not out, two to go..... Oh!! about M'sia coming election. U know, i know Y...M'sia is looking for a new mandate to gov. |
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Livermore
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13-Feb-2008 17:53
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Hi Abitrager, Yes, we are seeing higher cost of living. Frankly a large part has to do with fast growing economies like China and India. US is the largest importer of oil and now it is in a slowdown but oil price is not crashing down and the price is firm. If we didn't benefit from a growing Asia, then we would go back to previous times and headed for a recession. Jobs will be cut and maybe you will see more retrenchment. Growing affluence will eventually result in some form of inflation. |
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ET88888
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13-Feb-2008 13:32
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Hybridvestor, Thanks for the exchanges. The Singapore economy is doing very well. We have companies that have strong fundamentals, high profitability, good cash flow balance, booming sector and yet it's stock price is going backwards. Why ? Sentiments ! Rumours, Analyst comments, unscrupulous economists..buffet, sorros..etc. The game is too complex, otherwise everybody makes money. |
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hybridvestor
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12-Feb-2008 19:26
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winsontkl, glad that you find the article posted is interesting and useful to you .... cheers .... :) jasonfaxingliu & Arbitrager, I agree with your views .... :) ET88888, if the market is not proportional or related to the economy health, I don't know what is. When we buy into the stocks of a company, we judge by their fundamentals like profitability, cash flow balance, competitiveness in their sectors, so on and so forth. When the economy is bad or into recession, all the above will be affected, and hence it'll reflect on the value of the company, which in turn, affecting its share price. In the short run, I agree with you sentiments do play a part, but in the long run, the economy health is the key to a company success or failure. :) . |
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Arbitrager
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12-Feb-2008 18:45
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Oh well... its a sad thing that ppl are beliving in positive rumours/progranda than ugly negative fact. Back then in Aug, when subprime problem1st emerged, ppl like now still thought lightly of it even MM Lee din say that its just problem and will not affect the banking system drastically and well look at the current situation... Anyway its ultimate depend on individual on who they believe in, be it right or wrong.. I am just here sharing my views and give some constructive comments for those who wants some differing views before they make any informed decision to buy or sell. I am sure time will tell wat the mkt is heading to and I still believe market is rational and reflective of the country's economic health instead of becoming a casino based on sentiments and element of luck. |
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ET88888
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12-Feb-2008 18:18
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Very glad that MM Lee said about the Asia economy. In US, the DOW is very abstract, it depends which economist is going to talk, they talk up and down it depends on who is in control of the day. Similarly u see that STI moved up all thanks to MM Lee. Hopefully SM Goh will re-inforce this tomorrow, perhaps Abdullah too. De-coupling is the key to our success (I mean the market). Market is proportional to sentiments and not economic health. |
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Arbitrager
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12-Feb-2008 16:16
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to make things worse.. instead of creating more domestic demand in china and india, both of them are adopting a contractionary monetary policies increasing interest to curb inflation.. higher interest rate will deter ppl from spending and save more. and by the nature of their population.. their propensity to save is naturally high, hence in the short to mid-term.. i dun foresee China and India to be able to build up a demand big enough to absorb the fall in demand from the big 3. |
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Count_Lustig
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12-Feb-2008 16:11
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Hi bro Arbitrager, you forgot to mention Mr Lee knows that Singaporeans are an amazing bunch. after last election's promises, they all forgot they got 'rewarded' thereafter (erp, cpf, gst, etc etc). 3 years from now, their dementia will hit them once again where they will forget about the erp gantry at their door step and vote with their coconut shells again. My take is that sporeans choose to screw their own arse at times. For the past month, I have also screwed my own arse too, but investing in Kep corp. wat a mistake that was. wrong time, wrong target. haha |
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