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huatah
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28-Dec-2007 08:45
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With such a drop in DJ... mainly due to the stupid assasination of Bhutto, it caused worries and fear in the Macro environment. Pension, if this didn't happen, i reckon DJ will b in RED zone but not that serious. Is not abt how bad the subprime or credit issues... is the stablility and oil px tat investors r concern. We ever see DJ in positive zones but STI went south and vice versa. We simply not God. Haha.. Pension.. did u plan 4 tat assasination... heehee.. |
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28-Dec-2007 08:37
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i can almost confirm the STI will close in red today | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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28-Dec-2007 08:34
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i predict the sti will close in red today. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Pension
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28-Dec-2007 08:30
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so us market closed red or black? |
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Louisxiii
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28-Dec-2007 08:12
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Pension you must be one of the member from the terrorist group who assasinate Bhutto..... Gonna call the police..... Jus kidding. As I've said nothing is 100% in stock market. Well although US market was down last night but at least the consumer confidence index is better than expected which i feel is very important. US futures SHOULD BE optimistic for today. From 9am - 930am, you will see panic selling after which BBs and fund managers will stabilise the market IF US futures stay positive for the rest of the day. IF US futures stay negative then most likely BBs will just pack up and go home and let the market find its own direction. Just my 2cents worth |
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cyjjerry85
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27-Dec-2007 21:35
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NEW YORK, Dec 27 (Reuters) - U.S. stock index futures were pointing to a slightly higher open on Wall Street on Thursday, as investors awaited data that could shed more light on the health of the economy. Monthly orders for durable goods will show how demand for big-ticket items has held up and act as a gauge of the strength of the broader economy. Consumer confidence data, which is expected to drop in December, will also be key. Analysts have been concerned about the strength of consumer spending amid a housing slump and higher food and fuel prices. "Economic data will shape the day. Durable goods is going to be important and of course consumer confidence, which they're expecting to drop to a two-year low," said Paul Mendelsohn, chief investment strategist at Windham Financial Services in Charlotte, Vermont. S&P 500 futures SPc1 were up 0.20 points, but above fair value, a mathematical formula that evaluates pricing by taking into account interest rates, dividends and time to expiration on the contract. Dow Jones industrial average futures DJc1 fell 11 points. Nasdaq 100 NDc1 futures were up 4.75 points. |
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Pension
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27-Dec-2007 20:39
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i am not negative nor holding on to any put position. if someone want to sell, someeone must be there to buy at a reasonable price or else the share will plunge like no tomorrow. have u heard of stablization. if you have not, mecrator is one of the counter under stablization now. imagine if there is no stablization for this counter, the share may plunge more than 30% of it IPO price. US housing crisis reverberates around the globe WASHINGTON (AFP) - - Few people knew at the start of 2007 the meaning of "subprime" real estate loans or how they might affect the US and global economies.
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Eldarchen
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27-Dec-2007 20:32
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Yo Pension, No one is questioning your opinion on the market, they just giving 2 sides of the coins. No one is ever right or wrong, just a matter of how many times of each. What we would like the rest to know is that Dow futures though may be up or down only reflects the opening sentiment and the rest is followed by either news or data throughout the day. It is true however that we in SG then to follow the US future towards closing as we use it a gauge. Morning wise its a totally different story as we wouldnt know how US would close. Also settlement though is by right T + 3 , most are given T + 5 for trading. Forced selling means client cannot afford to pay after T+5 and the firm will sell for them regardless of price. D3 margin calls means the firm will sell margined stocks off to mantain a % of collateral in the margin account. Meaning we should use T + 5 instead of + 3. But then again each stocks have its individual characteristic so ...... Anyways we're all here to share and its always good to know more and exchange more ideas rather than be 1 sided ; ) Cheers all ! |
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Pwong1
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27-Dec-2007 20:32
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Sometimes trying to ride on the volatile wave can make you totally confused. Sometimes it is really about keeping cool. As you can obviously see, some stocks like Golden Agri have surged and my sister is sitting on pretty nice profit, which she bought some time ago, without trying to time the market too much. However point of entry is important | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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clauswu
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27-Dec-2007 20:29
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Dear Pension, Why so negative - and all of sudden? You reply to almost every thread today and suggest that everyone should sell their shares. Are you holding puts on the STI or have shorted too many stocks? |
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27-Dec-2007 20:29
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i still think DJ will still close positive tonight... we shall see what will happen later... | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Pension
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27-Dec-2007 20:25
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Understanding the ABX
At a time when almost nothing about subprime securities seems certain, the ABX index is a key point of reference for investors navigating the world of risky mortgage debt.
The ABX, launched in January 2007, serves as a benchmark of the market for securities backed by home loans issued to borrowers with weak credit. "Creating visibility and transparency was a goal of the index, but not everyone knew it would be so closely followed," said Ben Logan, a managing director at Markit Group, a London-based company that specializes in credit derivative pricing and administers the index. Underlying the mortgage mess has been the fact that "no one knows what subprime securities are really worth," said Barry Ritholtz, director of equity research for New York-based FusionIQ, a quantitative research and asset management firm. |
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Pension
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27-Dec-2007 20:19
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if u wanna make money, follow the bbs where they go or learn how to ride on the volatile wave. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Pension
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27-Dec-2007 20:09
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usa future at this point of time.
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Louisxiii
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27-Dec-2007 20:03
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I am not challenging you on your opinion. I just feel that nothing is 100% in this stock market. One good example will be on the day of the FED most recent meeting. US futures are all positive if I remember correctly. If only be looking at US futures would you expect US market to close -200plus that day? Few will have anticipated that, maybe you did I'm not sure. BBs and fund managers control the whole market because they have the capital to determine how they want a counter to move. All retail investors are just one of their tools to help them earn money because retail investors depend too much on US futures. |
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Pension
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27-Dec-2007 19:54
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this one, good news or bad news????????
Banks face financial turmoil despite abundant global liquidityAFP - Thursday, December 27
PARIS (AFP) - - The international banking sector is grappling with a grave financial crisis at a time when, paradoxically, there is an abundance of ready cash available, notably from emerging market countries.
Big banks since August have slashed the amount of credit they are prepared to offer each other, anxious to avoid lending money to any institution that could be liable to huge losses because of exposure to the crisis in the US housing market. The subprime, or high-risk, sector of the US market has been hit with a wave of foreclosures by homeowners unable to meet higher mortgage payments. That in turn has undermined the value of billions of dollars' worth of securities backed by subprime mortgages and issued by major banks and finance institutions. But according to Jean-Francois Robin of the French bank Natixis, "it's not that there is a lack of liquidity (in the global financial system), it's that it is not circulating." If the inter-bank market has seized up, there are in fact funds available. "The world's money supply is growing at a red-hot pace -- 10 to 15 percent a year," said Jean-Herve Lorenzi of the French research group Cercle des Economistes. Foreign exchange reserves held by emerging market powerhouses such as China and other big commodity exporters -- Russia and members of the OPEC oil cartel, for example -- are steadily expanding. In such countries, along with Japan and Norway, sovereign wealth funds have been created to find fruitful investment outlets for the reserves that have built up over the years. The funds, which are said to total more than 2.8 trillion dollars, have lately come to the rescue of some of the biggest names in global finance. The US investment bank Merrill Lynch is to be re-capitalised thanks to a 5.0-billion-dollar injection by the Singapore state investment fund Temasek. Morgan Stanley has been reinvigorated by the participation of the China Investment Corporation, also in the amount of 5.0 billion dollars, while another US behemoth, Citigroup, has received a 7.5-billion-dollar lifeline from the Abu Dhabi sovereign fund. Swiss banking giant UBS, which has been especially hard hit by the subprime meltdown, raised 11 billion dollars from another Singapore fund. But sovereign funds are not the only entities sitting on piles of cash. US billionaire investor Warren Buffett announced Tuesday he was buying a 60 percent stake in Marmon Holdings Incorporated, an industrial group owned by one of America's richest families, for 4.5 billion dollars. Buffett's investment firm, Berkshire Hathaway Incorporated, will acquire the remaining 40 percent of Marmon over five to six years at a price to be based on the group's future performance, the two sides said. Marmon, which has been owned by Chicago's Pritzker family since 1953, is a manufacturing and services group with more than 125 units and whose products range from railroad tank cars to electrical wires and cables. In addition, said Robin of Natixis, "there's lots more liquidity" held by insurers and pension funds, which manage savings worth hundreds of billions of dollars. "They have taken their capital out of risky assets," such as stocks and bonds linked to real estate, he said. "And they have lots of money to invest in the coming months, which should help the markets get back on their feet." |
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Pension
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27-Dec-2007 19:13
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bbs, investors, fund managers rely very much on us future dow sp and nas. among the 3 futures, dow is the most influential. everybody know that. STI oso response to future movement. once the future start to dip, u can see sti start to dip. let see dow closed positive or negative tonight. I bet negative based on some information I read today. |
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Livermore
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27-Dec-2007 19:04
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Those holding onto to winning stocks with long term potential since 2006 should hold. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Louisxiii
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27-Dec-2007 18:59
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Dow futures -17 is not a big deal..... And btw if you do read articles from the cnn website, they always mention about S&P and Nasdaq futures positive so US market is poise to open higher. Therefore I feel S&P and Nasdaq futures plays a bigger part than Dow futures. And btw whether US futures is positive or negative, that only determines how US market will open. It will not determine how US market will close at the end of their trading day. If there is bad news and futures is red, high chance US market will close negative. For today, as of now no broadcast of any bad news yet while Nasdaq futures is positive, US market might open negative but might not end negative. When did most of the counters drop today? Contra players are too dependent of US futures and they dun have the money to hold, when they see futures in the red, they panic. Thinking that US market might drop tonight so they sell. Just my 2cents worth |
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Livermore
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27-Dec-2007 18:58
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One must remember that one is buying a stock and not a stock called the STI. All the best to all nonetheless. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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