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annunities - can you live beyond age 85 and above
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24-Aug-2007 16:09
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![]() Every morning wake up must plan which route to drive to avoid ERP, then also must think of what time to drive off to avoid being 'sucked', reach oppic must carry a shield to protect urself from arrows and also bring along some arrows to arow others back, top of that goota multi taks and finish all work in whatever maaer ur immediate superior wants. Come home must think of what to do tomorrow and also month end what how much to put aside to spend and think of kids' educations and payemnt...lastly...must think of how much will go into CPF and also worrying if can retire nicely at 65 or will the retirement age limit suddenly kena push up to 75 in next announcement, another worry is wether to vote for the House Improvement Programme and also the Neighbourhood Renewal Programme and start to pay more monthly for my 20+ y.o. flat as i am about to finish paying the flat instalment in next couple of years, wanna have one more extra kid must worry about the ever high rising cost and with both parents working to make ends meet....'boh bian', must spend money buy RUBBER with another 7% GST.........with all these headaches....i think...very very few will be able to hit 85 and tap on the ever growing annuity poolki funds...'ho seh liao'...our national reserves become stronger....and perhaps...just to make u happy and forget the pain for the time being.....give u back $400 in cash before the next GE....so that the older ones can flock along Geylang, Joo Chiat or even Batam. ![]() |
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24-Aug-2007 13:28
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Harryp, there was a period where market are shortage of manpower and the employee is king and fired the employer. Pension scheme was one of the defensive tools used by employer. When economy is bad, employer fire the employee and pension scheme was removed. |
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24-Aug-2007 13:27
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The bottom line is... "Is our gov using wrong statistic data that says we must work longer and at the same time live longer?" The statistic below certainly says that we die earlier for every more years we work in later half of our life. |
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harryp
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24-Aug-2007 13:19
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Pension, you're right about pension this time. Another pitfall is that pension can be easily manipulated by unscrupulous boss. The way they play is by firing high paying executives just a couple of years before retirement on discipline or competency grounds which can be easily created. Just try surfing during working hours, you're fired immedaitely; not to mention those playing shares on company's time. Or they give you some projects which is just impossible complete in time and your pension is gone. |
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24-Aug-2007 13:11
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Pension can reduce staff turnover and is a very good staff retention programme. Annunities cannot. Every boss is smart, they did their calculation before they give you the benefit of pension. Knowing that you are asset to them and cannot live long based on statistic, they took a gamble to take advantage of you. I think for those under pension scheme, they draw a very low salary. |
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harryp
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24-Aug-2007 12:49
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May be the complains came in too early. I think the leverage this proposed annuity can give is most important. Say, if the sum required for qualifying to receive $250 per month by the age of 85 years is $1000, then I think it is worth taking up and thumbs up to our think tanks. |
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24-Aug-2007 12:23
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Optimum Strategies for Creativity and Longevity
1. Most Creative Years in the Life
The Nobel Laureate, Dr. Leo Esaki, delivered the distinguished lecture entitled "Innovation and Evolution: Reflections on a Life in Research" in the
It is, therefore, very important to stimulate, encourage and cultivate many young people to get interested in science and engineering at their young age and to provide the optimal R&D environment for these very powerful young scientists and engineers to unleash their very strong creativities during their most precious and creative years around the age of 32.
2. Longevity Vs. Retirement Age
The pension funds in many large corporations (e.g., Boeing, Lockheed Martin, AT&T, Lucent Technologies, etc.) have been ?Over Funded? because many ?late retirees? who keep-on working into their old age and retire late after the age of 65 tend to die within two years after their retirements. In other words, many of these late retirees do not live long enough to collect all their fair shares of pension money such that they leave a lot of extra-unused money in the pension funds resulting in the over-funded pension funds.
Dr. Ephrem (Siao Chung) Cheng provided the important results in the following Table 1 and the associated chart from an actuarial study of life span vs. age at retirement. The study was based on the number of pension checks sent to retirees of Boeing Aerospace.
Table 1 and the chart indicate that for people retired at the age of 50, their average life span is 86; whereas for people retired at the age of 65, their average life span is only 66.8. An important conclusion from this study is that for every year one works beyond age 55, one loses 2 years of life span on average.
The Boeing experience is that employees retiring at age of 65 receive pension checks for only 18 months, on average, prior to death. Similarly, the Lockheed experience is that employees retiring at age of 65 receive pension checks for only 17 months, on average, prior to death. Dr. David T. Chai indicated that the Bell Labs experience is similar to those of Boeing and Lockheed based on the casual observation from the Newsletters of Bell Lab retirees. A retiree from Ford Motor told Dr. Paul Tien-Lin Ho that the experience from Ford Motor is also similar to those in Boeing and Lockheed.
The statistics shown in the Pre-Retirement Seminar in Telcordia (Bellcore) indicates that the average age that Telcordia (Bellcore) employees start retirement is 57. Therefore, people who retire at the age of 65 or older are minority as compared to the number of early retirees.
The hard-working late retirees probably put too much stress on their aging body-and-mind such that they are so stressed out to develop various serious health problems that forced them to quit and retire. With such long-term stress-induced serious health problems, they die within two years after they quit and retire.
On the other hand, people who take early retirements at the age of 55 tend to live long and well into their 80s and beyond. These earlier retirees probably are either wealthier or more able to plan and manage their various aspects of their life, health and career well such that they can afford to retire early and comfortably.
These early retirees are not really idling after their early retirements to get old. They still continue doing some work. But they do the work on the part-time basis at a more leisure pace so that they do not get too stressed out. Furthermore, they have the luxury to pick and chose the types of part-time work of real interest to them so that they can enjoy and love doing that ?fun? work at a more leisure pace.
The late retirees are small in number, tend to die quickly after retirement and disappear from the population of old people beyond the age of 70. Late retirees, therefore, have very little weight on the statistical average life expectancy of the population of ?old people? dominated by the early retirees.
Several years ago, a Japanese friend of mine told me that most Japanese people retire at the age of 60 or earlier. This may be one of the factors contributing to the long average life span of Japanese people.
3. Changing Trend of
The traditional pension plans of many major US companies used to place a lot of value on the experience of long-term older employees by increasing the pension money rapidly and nonlinearly for long-term employees as their age + service year increases beyond the threshold of the rule of 75. Most long-term employees cross this critical threshold at about the age of 55. On the other hand, the early retirees incur very heavy penalty in pension and in other associated retiree benefits (e.g., employer paid medical insurance, employer paid life insurance, death benefits for family, etc.) when they retire before they meet the rule of 75.
However, in recent few years, many large
One of the implications of this trend towards the new cash balance plan is that the
4. Conclusion and Recommendations
The most precious, creative and innovative period in your life is the 10-year period around the age of 32. Plan your career path to use this precious 10-year period wisely and effectively to produce your greatest achievements in your life.
The pace of innovations and technology advances is getting faster and faster and is forcing everybody to compete fiercely at the Internet speed on the information super-highways. The highly productive and highly efficient workplace in
However, when you get older, you should plan your career path and financial matter so that you can retire comfortably at the age of 55 or earlier to enjoy your long, happy and leisure retirement life into your golden age of 80s and beyond. In retirement, you can still enjoy some fun work of great interest to you and of great values to the society and the community, but at a part-time leisure pace on your own term.
On the other hand, if you are not able to get out of the pressure-cooker or the high-speed battleground at the age of 55 and ?have? to keep on working very hard until the age of 65 or older before your retirement, then you probably will die within 18 months of retirement. By working very hard in the pressure cooker for 10 more years beyond the age of 55, you give up at least 20 years of your life span on average.
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Manikamaniko.
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24-Aug-2007 12:06
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PS> since the problem won't 'conveniently die off' by itself... ![]() |
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Manikamaniko.
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24-Aug-2007 12:03
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The law should also allow the aged person the personal free choice of taking the tablet, if such a tablet were to be approved in the first place. Moral considerations aside, practical solutions must be created to solve a real problem. |
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24-Aug-2007 12:02
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can see nobody is interested in annunities no wonder it make it compulsory. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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harryp
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24-Aug-2007 11:52
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Since nobody wants to look after above 85s, perhaps the garmen shud consider giving the people more options: 1. Apply for the annuity programe - a sum to be decided will be deducted from CPF. 2. Apply for a fast kill no pain tablet to be issued at age 85 - price at $10 to be deducted from CPF. All citizens must make the decision and commitment before retiring to qualify for CPF withdrawal. |
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24-Aug-2007 11:36
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Do you seriously think next GE is going to be different? We are talking about SINGAPOREAN in SINGAPORE. If you know what I mean. |
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Fairygal
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24-Aug-2007 11:17
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Just wait for the next GE and the mandate will be clearer! Last one 67% not so clear! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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24-Aug-2007 11:12
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How to be happy when we know that the gov is constantly sucking on us, even when we reach old age. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Fairygal
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24-Aug-2007 11:08
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Probably only good if I am senile by 85, and cannot differentiate between white bread and shark fin. But really, dun want to think so far. Just live the present moment and the next few 15 - 20 years happily already quite satisfied! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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24-Aug-2007 11:01
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looking at the inflation rate, I think when your reach 85, the payout of $250 may worth $25 cents and not enough to see private doctor. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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24-Aug-2007 10:55
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With inflation, the annunity may be enough to buy white bread and plain water only when we reached 85. CPI Inflation Surges on GST and BottlenecksCPI inflation surged to 2.6% in July, much higher than the 1.3% recorded in June, due largely to the 2% GST hike, which took effect from 1 July. This is the highest inflation rate since January 1995, or over the last 12 years. Price pressures from bottlenecks and supply constraints are clearly emerging. All major items registered larger increases in July from June, particularly healthcare (+5.7%), transport & communication (+2.9%) and food (+2.9%). Even imported items, such as clothing, registered a 1.2%yoy rise. Transport prices will likely head higher as transport companies are applying for fare hikes given rising fuel costs. Housing recorded a 0.7% rise after contracting for the previous 3 months as rising rental costs are reflected more significantly into housing costs. Higher electricity costs also contributed, as electricity tariffs were increased by an average of 8.8% due to higher fuel prices. Nevertheless, housing costs still lag behind what is suggested from URA data on rising rental pressures. We expect CPI inflation to continue climbing given rising residential rents, wage pressures, and emerging bottlenecks. Average inflation for the first 7 months now stands at 0.9%. Our average inflation forecast for 2007 and 2008 remains at 1.5% and 2.5% respectively. But inflation risks have shifted to the upside given the risks of overheating. The biggest challenge facing the government has shifted to overcoming supply constraints and taming excessive demand pressures. |
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24-Aug-2007 00:15
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If the right of annunities cannot be donated or given away in a form of charity, this maybe be an insult to somebody who earn millions of dollars and live beyond 85. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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tanglinboy
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23-Aug-2007 22:27
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Hi Pension, Are you really on pension now? |
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23-Aug-2007 22:08
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Since the annunities is part of your cpf contribution, I do not think I need it, can I donate it to someone who is 85 now who need the money? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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