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Sand Ban - In Perspective
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savvysamyeo
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31-Jan-2007 02:19
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Indonesia and S'pore have so much past linkages and mutual investments in each other's well being and prosperities. The sudden ban of sand will not have lasting effect on us. We have withstood greater threats and storms in the past and through our ingenuities and other friendly linkages we will not be in short supplies of sand. People fail to see that survival is our forte and this irritation will only short changed themselves finally. The downside is that those who depend on selling free sand to us will be the ones ultimately to be hurt by their government's myopic and incomprehensible policy. If money is the issue than as harmonious neighbours reason and rationality should prevail instead of coming out with bans and other myopic pronouncements. Singapore has come a long way to be a 21st century nation state with considerable resources and international recognitions at our disposal to be a great help for our neighbours. We are not the condescending red dot in others' eyes, we are small but redness characterise our vitality and achievements which perhaps make others' heart beat with coveteousness. The trouble with others throwing spanners into our works only increases our determination to dissociate from buying Indonesian sand. We will survive and continue to advance at the fatuous behavior of others. Don't the neighbourhood learn? |
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crumbs
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30-Jan-2007 23:44
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I think the sand issue is over-rated and blown out of proportion. Those who shorted construction stocks when the Indo ban first surfaced of course want to harp on it as long as possible in order to cover back much lower (thru the use of CFD). They use fear in order to profit themselves. | |
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iqeqaqcq
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30-Jan-2007 23:30
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to you 1000kg cost $80 is very cheap, but you must understand the contractor problem. Pity us OK. when we submit our tenders, we fixed at $14 to $18 per ton, but now we got the projects, we have to pay $80 per ton. do you think this is fair to us ?? Example, one project need 15000 tons, now I must pay extra (15000 x $62) = $930,000. all my profits gone. Do you know. I want to FFFF the China and Indon stupid fools. |
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EastonBay
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30-Jan-2007 23:18
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doctor2a, a tonne is 1000kg yah..? I have no idea how much sand that is and how much they need in a building... but even at $80 for 1000kg (to me it's a lot)... I don't think that will hurt the bottomline of development much. $80? enuf to buy only 2 jugs of beer at pubs, right? I think the important msg our dear govt had sent out is that Singapore, the red dot, can never hold ransom by anyone anymore. Ok, you don't sell it to me, I'll buy it from another person. So what if I pay him more. Now, you (i mean indon) can shoot your own feet for the missed profit. I also remember at one pt during the negotiation of water with our another immediate neighbour, one of the MP even went on record to say that, well, if you don't sell the water to us, it will simply flow into the sea and you get nothing (not a single cent) out of it. |
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iPunter
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30-Jan-2007 19:29
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"[Well, first ask yourself, do u want to live in a house made of sai?]" -Tabbykat. Well, you won't really be surprised what people will put up with. |
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doctor2a
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30-Jan-2007 19:16
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This morning, we saw a good news : Non-Indonesian sand arrives in Singapore Jan 30, 2007 AsiaOne Singapore has received its first batch of concreting sand from a non-Indonesian source. This first consignment from a regional source comes a week after Singapore's main supplier, Indonesia, banned sand exports. But, actually, it is Bad news: the price of this shipment is $80 per ton, that is much higher than the current market price of $35 per ton. last week Pre-Ban price was only $20 per ton. |
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tabbykat
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30-Jan-2007 17:27
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Ha Ha, sohguanh. You are right. Pity the next generation. Have to live in a house made of sai and drink water made of urine. Maybe they will trade in new commodities such as sai and jeow : P | |
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sohguanh
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30-Jan-2007 17:21
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But with 'newwater' we are already going to drink water made of our own urine already? | |
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tabbykat
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30-Jan-2007 17:15
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Well, first ask yourself, do u want to live in a house made of sai? | |
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sohguanh
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30-Jan-2007 17:03
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May I suggest how to produce 'newsand' ? From our sai? :P | |
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chendol
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30-Jan-2007 17:01
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singapore should produce 'newsand' just like it did for water (newater). then our neighbours cannot bully the litte red dot. and also made a lot of money selling sand. hee hee. | |
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doctor2a
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30-Jan-2007 16:19
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really wonder how will the share market react if govt annouce that sands from China and Indon will cost double the current price. especially construction counters. |
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lewsh88
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30-Jan-2007 16:10
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If I am not wrong, after awhile, some Indo towkay will nego and we should get sand supply again. This is not the first time that Indonesia has ban sand export to Singapore. In Indonesia, they normally say "bisa diatur" meaning - can be arranged. Actually somebody should propose to the Indonesian government to get contractors to mine sand to very deep depths over a large area on one of their islands near to Singapore so that a large reservoir is formed. Then they can sell water to Singapore as well. Killing two birds with one stone eh..!!!! |
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m2d4pc
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30-Jan-2007 15:43
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the 3rd world conuntries have one by one wake up already. They are not going to sell the commodity cheaply to industrial countries and buy back the finished products at sky high price. Now they demand a much higher price for their commodity. |
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m2d4pc
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30-Jan-2007 15:31
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we just have to accept the new Global trend : - the natural resources exporters of oil, iron and now sand, are not going to sell us cheap anymore. |
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EastonBay
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30-Jan-2007 15:24
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re:
Non-Indonesian sand arrives in The news is given prominent coverage both by ST and ZB. However, wonder why they do not want to disclose where the sand came from (they refused to disclose)... |
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sohguanh
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30-Jan-2007 14:26
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One thing I like about the lightning strike is they always have backup plans in mind. Be it water, fish, vegetables, rice etc etc... they try not to depend heavily on only one supplier. This is what I called diversification strategy. Diversify your sources from different suppliers so you would not be held ransom by any one of them. But then about our current political climate, diversification is not practised fervently. I wonder why. |
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tuntan8888
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30-Jan-2007 14:20
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Trust our PAP Govt.to find alternative sources of sand exporters - this issue is "peanut". NEWS Jan 30, 2007
Non-Indonesian sand arrives in This first consignment from a regional source comes a week after 400,000 tonnes of concreting sand arrived at
In a media statement, the BCA said it was working with land sand importers on buying sand from various sources in the region. The quality of the sand from these sources has been tested and meets "With these new sources, the industry can meet its immediate requirements for concreting sand," said the BCA.
The Government will also be releasing sand from its stockpile to cushion any transitional disruption to the supply. Together this will help the industry to cope with the sudden announcement on sand export ban by Moving forward, the BCA is strongly encouraging the industry to adopt alternative construction materials to reduce the need for concreting sand.
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Sporeguy
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28-Jan-2007 20:01
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The only sources are from 3rd world countries where need hard cold cash. Not from developed countries with their conservationist tendency. | |
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Sporeguy
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28-Jan-2007 19:58
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Hi, geojam. Easier said than done to import sand from Australia. Read an article below . Conservationists welcome Shelburne mining banMedia Release The Australian Conservation Foundation, the Wilderness Society and the Wuthathi Tribal Council have welcomed today's decision by the Queensland Government to impose a total mining ban over the internationally significant sand dune country of "This is an important decision that finally provides certainty for all those concerned about the future protection of this magnificent part of Australia's natural and cultural heritage" says Lyndon Schneiders, Queensland Campaign Director, The Wilderness Society. Don Henry, Executive Director of ACF said "This is a great step forward for protection of Shelburne, and we'd like to encourage the Queensland Government to ensure a ban on future mining is over all State lands on Cape York Peninsula that have been acquired for their high natural and cultural conservation values, an area of some 1.57 million ha." "These lands are presently awaiting Queensland Government action to ensure future use, management and protection in partnership with Traditional Owners." Arnold Wallis, Chairperson of Wuthathi Tribal Council, said, "Wuthathi people are not only opposed to mining over sand dunes, we don't want any mining exploration over any part of our country, and so we welcome this ban. We applaud the efforts of the Minister in making this decision." |
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