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Obfuscate Senior	15-Nov-2013 14:11        Obfuscate About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the the universe." Einstein
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Rosesyrup Veteran	15-Nov-2013 12:37        Rosesyrup About Contact  Quote this Post!   Yells: "Get your own opinion, don't follow blindly."
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Obfuscate      ( Date: 15-Nov-2013 12:35) Posted: Daily turnover of Olam share is less than 2% of mkt cap. Management had a different strategy -  assets gathering funded by  more and more debt  -  until they got burned! FATABA      ( Date: 15-Nov-2013 09:52) Posted: I guess the results tell the story...and the movement of its price cant be false. Going to a positive cash flow in such a short time ....is positive and the management is really sticking to its strategy ...Temasek would be disappointed as the largest share holders this year. :))
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Obfuscate Senior	15-Nov-2013 12:35        Obfuscate About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Daily turnover of Olam share is less than 2% of mkt cap. Management had a different strategy -  assets gathering funded by  more and more debt  -  until they got burned! FATABA      ( Date: 15-Nov-2013 09:52) Posted: I guess the results tell the story...and the movement of its price cant be false. Going to a positive cash flow in such a short time ....is positive and the management is really sticking to its strategy ...Temasek would be disappointed as the largest share holders this year. :))
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beginners Senior	15-Nov-2013 12:22        beginners About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Miss roses, if it's really goes up to 2.0 before Christmas I treat you free dinner:). Huat ha! Rosesyrup      ( Date: 15-Nov-2013 09:57) Posted: The only difference between OLAM and the rest of the commodity is: OLAM IS HEAVILY SUBSIDIZED BY MUDDY WATER AND CO SHORTISTS :) :) THANK YOU FOR THE FAT CHRISTMAS I HAVE BEEN WAITING. FATABA      ( Date: 15-Nov-2013 09:52) Posted: I guess the results tell the story...and the movement of its price cant be false. Going to a positive cash flow in such a short time ....is positive and the management is really sticking to its strategy ...Temasek would be disappointed as the largest share holders this year. :))
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Rosesyrup Veteran	15-Nov-2013 09:57        Rosesyrup About Contact  Quote this Post!   Yells: "Get your own opinion, don't follow blindly."
x 0   x 2  Alert Admin	The only difference between OLAM and the rest of the commodity is: OLAM IS HEAVILY SUBSIDIZED BY MUDDY WATER AND CO SHORTISTS :) :) THANK YOU FOR THE FAT CHRISTMAS I HAVE BEEN WAITING. FATABA      ( Date: 15-Nov-2013 09:52) Posted: I guess the results tell the story...and the movement of its price cant be false. Going to a positive cash flow in such a short time ....is positive and the management is really sticking to its strategy ...Temasek would be disappointed as the largest share holders this year. :))
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interfact Member	15-Nov-2013 09:54        interfact About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Separately, Olam announced the sale-and-leaseback of its Australian Almond assets and sale of Dirranbandi Cotton gin for A$220.0m, which will result in a reduction of its huge debt/ CS maintains Neutral with TP $1.50 HSBC maintains Neutral with TP $1.64 Macquarie maintains Neutral with TP $1.45 UOB Kay Hian maintains Hold with TP $1.60
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FATABA Member	15-Nov-2013 09:52        FATABA About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I guess the results tell the story...and the movement of its price cant be false. Going to a positive cash flow in such a short time ....is positive and the management is really sticking to its strategy ...Temasek would be disappointed as the largest share holders this year. :))
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Rosesyrup Veteran	15-Nov-2013 09:49        Rosesyrup About Contact  Quote this Post!   Yells: "Get your own opinion, don't follow blindly."
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	And any self-proclaimed full fledged analyst can't tell you the difference between NOL and Olam.   Look on the bright side of life.whistle...whistle...whistle Seems like funds are looking on the positive side of OLAM reporting :) Obfuscate      ( Date: 15-Nov-2013 00:36) Posted: Any half baked analyst can tell u the thinner  a firm's  equity the higher  its ROE, ceteris paribus. Rosesyrup      ( Date: 14-Nov-2013 20:17) Posted: zzz....Don't give biased info please! High risk High return With higher leverage, Olam has got higher ROE too. > > > > > > Using leverage figure provided by you. Olam ROE=> 9.67===> > > > leverage 2.39X Noble=> 4.29 only==> > > > leverage 1.13X These two similar profit margin thus comparable.   Don't know why you drag Wilmar and NOl in? Almost totally different business. Wilmar mainly on Palm oil processing, infact more of downstream, that why it can thrive in times of low CPO price while Golden agri is doing badly. WHAT?!!!! Pardon me...NOL?????? Why don't you just compare everyone with SIA? LOL
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BornAgain Member	15-Nov-2013 09:24        BornAgain About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	UPDATE 1-Olam books 5.7-pct rise in Q1 profits, boosts cash flow Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:24am IST 0 COMMENTS Link this Share this Digg Email Print STOCKS Olam International Ltd OLAM.SI $1.51 +0.01+1.00% 11/15/2013 (Adds details throughout) By Chris Prentice Nov 14 (Reuters) - Singapore's Olam International Ltd is on pace to generate positive cash flow and to weather commodities price volatility this year, the company said on Thursday as it reported a 5.7-percent rise in profits in the first quarter of fiscal 2014. Olam is looking to "expand selectively," the global commodities trading firm said in a statement after showing a big boost in cash flow following a strategy review announced last spring. The merchant booked a profit of S$45.6 million in the three months ended Sept. 30, compared with S$43.2 million in the year-ago quarter, as the company expanded "upstream and midstream" and in supply-chain activities. The merchant showed a marked turn-around in cash flow at the start of 2014, which reached to S$46 million, jumping from negative S$706.8 million a year ago. Olam said in April it would become free cash-flow positive by the end of June 2014, following scathing criticism from short-seller Muddy Waters of its business practices and debt levels. The firm recently offloaded an Australian cotton gin and has signed sale and lease-back deal for its Australian almond orchards. Even so, lower commodities prices and losses in the company's financial services and volatility trading units led the company's revenues to fall and offset growing volumes in the company's almond and cotton business. A "diversified portfolio" has left the company "well-placed to navigate the uncertainties and volatility in global commodities markets," said Olam's Managing Director and Chief Executive Officer Sunny Verghese in the statement. COFFEE, HEDGING UNITS DRAG Sales revenues dropped 7.9 percent to S$4.3 billion, and volumes fell 0.3 percent to 3.7 billion tonnes. Olam's financial services and risk management division posted a loss of S$8.3 million, on operating losses in the company's market-making and volatility trading unit. The unit has been restructured following the review, Olam said. Launched in 2003, it has a "sell-side approach" to exchange-traded business through Olam's broker/trader network, according to Olam's website. The company blamed a 27 percent drop in revenue in the company's confectionary and beverage ingredients unit on plunging coffee prices, which have set multi-year lows as global supplies surged. Olam's revenues got a boost from the almond business, which was a "strong contributor" to 29.9-percent growth in revenues and 8.7-percent growth in sales volumes, according to the statement. The cotton division also saw strong growth, helping boost volumes in Olam's industrial raw materials division by 4.8 percent. (Editing by Tim Dobbyn)
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gfmkim Member	15-Nov-2013 09:06        gfmkim About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	DUMP YR TRASH!  SO SHIOK!!!
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gfmkim Member	15-Nov-2013 08:58        gfmkim About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Rosesyrup      ( Date: 14-Nov-2013 18:00) Posted: Relax. If you really really want to look at the profit figures only (without removal of accounting distortion). At the very very least, it dispel off MW's claim that it is too late for Olam. Wah we generate cash already leh. gfmkim      ( Date: 14-Nov-2013 17:53) Posted:
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Obfuscate Senior	15-Nov-2013 00:36        Obfuscate About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Any half baked analyst can tell u the thinner  a firm's  equity the higher  its ROE, ceteris paribus. Rosesyrup      ( Date: 14-Nov-2013 20:17) Posted: zzz....Don't give biased info please! High risk High return With higher leverage, Olam has got higher ROE too. > > > > > > Using leverage figure provided by you. Olam ROE=> 9.67===> > > > leverage 2.39X Noble=> 4.29 only==> > > > leverage 1.13X These two similar profit margin thus comparable.   Don't know why you drag Wilmar and NOl in? Almost totally different business. Wilmar mainly on Palm oil processing, infact more of downstream, that why it can thrive in times of low CPO price while Golden agri is doing badly. WHAT?!!!! Pardon me...NOL?????? Why don't you just compare everyone with SIA? LOL Obfuscate      ( Date: 14-Nov-2013 19:00) Posted: Oops! Comparisons should be Wilmar 1.43x, Noble Group 1.13x and NOL 2.09x. My bad.
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beginners Senior	14-Nov-2013 21:46        beginners About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Seems like got to see how the funds are going to play with this OLAM. It's hard to predict the direction.
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daffytlh Member	14-Nov-2013 20:30        daffytlh About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Wa."""""" see tom px how.somex for shares bad news px can still go up for strange reason.anyone rem what causes olam price to rocket in oct? I rem it went as high as 1.59 and1.60.
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Rosesyrup Veteran	14-Nov-2013 20:17        Rosesyrup About Contact  Quote this Post!   Yells: "Get your own opinion, don't follow blindly."
x 0   x 2  Alert Admin	zzz....Don't give biased info please! High risk High return With higher leverage, Olam has got higher ROE too. > > > > > > Using leverage figure provided by you. Olam ROE=> 9.67===> > > > leverage 2.39X Noble=> 4.29 only==> > > > leverage 1.13X These two similar profit margin thus comparable.   Don't know why you drag Wilmar and NOl in? Almost totally different business. Wilmar mainly on Palm oil processing, infact more of downstream, that why it can thrive in times of low CPO price while Golden agri is doing badly. WHAT?!!!! Pardon me...NOL?????? Why don't you just compare everyone with SIA? LOL Obfuscate      ( Date: 14-Nov-2013 19:00) Posted: Oops! Comparisons should be Wilmar 1.43x, Noble Group 1.13x and NOL 2.09x. My bad.
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roostertan Member	14-Nov-2013 20:03        roostertan About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 1  Alert Admin	Comparatively, Olam is riddened with heavy debt whereas NOL is not.  Their excessive M& A has caused such debts to ballooned.  And now starting selling off  assets at a loss.  It's a total mis-management affairs. Rosesyrup      ( Date: 14-Nov-2013 11:12) Posted: Shall see tonight result. Olam is profitable unlike NOL. Both different story, don't compare. Rosesyrup      ( Date: 14-Nov-2013 02:34) Posted:
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Obfuscate Senior	14-Nov-2013 19:00        Obfuscate About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Oops! Comparisons should be Wilmar 1.43x, Noble Group 1.13x and NOL 2.09x. My bad.
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Obfuscate Senior	14-Nov-2013 18:56        Obfuscate About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	EBITDA $249m then deduct net interest expense $137m, depreciation & amortisation $61m and tax $8m before arriving at net profit $43m. Bottom line, Olam is still working hard  for its creditors. Total debt at Sep ($8.53 bn)  as a multiple of  today's mkt cap at close is 2.39x. Here are the comparisons for end Sep debt multiple of today's mkt cap: Wilmar 1.14x and Noble Group 0.90x. Even NOL is just 1.67x. Rosesyrup      ( Date: 14-Nov-2013 17:43) Posted: Ok Forecast failed. Discouraging Points -Profit 3% hike only -Thanks to much lower other income -Non-cash fair value gain on biological asset is also a huge  factor -Non cash depreciation increased. Encouraging Points -Cashflow start flowing in fromoperating activities as compared to huge cash deficit a year earlier. Should see much bigger cash inflow soon. -Started paying off debt and stopped borrowing -Removing the distortion from non cash biological asset gain, profit still grows by nearly 20%. -Depreciation should reduce as Olam continues operating lease strategy   NVM I hold.
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Rosesyrup Veteran	14-Nov-2013 18:00        Rosesyrup About Contact  Quote this Post!   Yells: "Get your own opinion, don't follow blindly."
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Relax. If you really really want to look at the profit figures only (without removal of accounting distortion). At the very very least, it dispel off MW's claim that it is too late for Olam. Wah we generate cash already leh. gfmkim      ( Date: 14-Nov-2013 17:53) Posted:
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gfmkim Member	14-Nov-2013 17:53        gfmkim About Contact  Quote this Post!
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