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giantlow
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01-Jan-2007 10:00
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market watching and chatting with babes are not mutually exclusive rite? as can be seen from conversing with u and singaporegal. wahahaha. Thanks for all your insightful posts |
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elfinchilde
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01-Jan-2007 01:58
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hihi one and all, happy new year! gonna go sleep off the alcohol after this hehe. rickytan, no prob. just ask away, it's the only way to learn. i've asked some very stupid qns in my own time too, and i'm still asking them. :) ehhhh....misters bunbun (bunnyboy! heehee), zhuge_liang, giantlow & tanglinboy.... thorny guys, or horny guys? :P focus on the market lah! sheesh. haha. cheers to all! ;) |
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tanglinboy
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31-Dec-2006 22:57
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There are quite a few females here ... here are some I can remember - singaporegal elfinchilde prettylisa elizlow IreneL They are the roses among us thorny guys! |
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rickytan
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31-Dec-2006 22:16
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Hi elf, I am sorry for the gender error... :) Wow, so we have quite a number of "superwoman" (or should we call "superbabes" ?) here.... In any case, a very big thank you for your willingness to share. |
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zhuge_liang
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31-Dec-2006 21:33
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I believe prettylisa, as the name suggests, is a babe. Who's the prettiest of them all? :) |
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giantlow
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31-Dec-2006 19:04
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i am sure both singaporegal and elf are babes |
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bunbun
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31-Dec-2006 18:05
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dear elf, since words of wisdom come out of your mouth, i guess you must be babelicious :) thanks rickytan, you've asked the qn that i've been pondering, coz im still confused about reading A/D charts, but too pai seh to ask since i'm a blur blur newbie in trading. hereby wishing all a bountiful and a healthy (what's riches without health...) 2007 :) |
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elfinchilde
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31-Dec-2006 17:12
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heyho...rickytan...eh....elf's a she not a he...don't make me go for gender reassignment surgery leh. haha. :P aiyah, no such thing as stupid questions. learning's a two-way process. From the mouths of babes come words of wisdom. Even if the questions are basic, it forces those of us who think we know what we are doing to re-examine our foundational knowledge, and that can only be good. :) as for your qn: depends on what method you're comfortable with. If you're versed in the A/D chart, then, you don't have to look at the time/sales of vol/price, since A/D takes that into acct mathematically. But if you want added security or if the charts appear confusing, it's a more direct and obvious indication of buy/sell. |
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rickytan
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31-Dec-2006 16:25
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Hi singaporegal and elf, got another question to ask ie Am I right to say that other than looking at the charts and volume, we must also look at the "time and sales" of the volume/price ? Thank you in advance. |
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rickytan
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31-Dec-2006 16:11
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thank you singaporegal and elf ! I am also hearten to read elf's post that he understand how beginners feel as I am also one of the beginners. Sometimes I am afraid that I may ask questions that are deemed naive/ignorant to those who are very experienced. Will probably get "whack" one day ? I also dont like the "promotion" to a "senior" as I still have got a lot to learn. I hope Sharejunction Admin can grant my wish of allowing me to remain as a "Member "instead... :) |
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elfinchilde
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31-Dec-2006 13:46
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heyhey singaporegal, happy new year to you too! so glad to have you here in this forum. hehe i think females need a stronger presence here...the boys tend to get rowdy, don't they. *bemused* punter, i wouldn't exactly call myself selfless. But i know what it's like to be a newbie in the dark, and everyone either ignores you or treats you with contempt. And well, i don't see the need to pass on such behaviour. Plus, I've also seen the best. Ppl with loads of cash, status and experience, who'd actually listen to you and help you along. Learning is a two-way process. I'm simply paying it forward. Plus, it isn't exactly costing me anything. hehe. btw, everyone, pls note. Everything i say is strictly from my view. I do NOT claim to be an expert and i do NOT guarantee profit if you follow everything i say. caveat emptor. it's the nature of the market. :) |
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elfinchilde
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31-Dec-2006 13:30
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hi pikachu, i wouldn't dare claim to be experienced, since i'll not make the mistake of underestimating the market. but i guess i'm lucky in that i got the chance to learn from the best in both retail and institutional mgmt, at a time when i was still too young to trade. ie, lucky enough to learn the stock market purely for its own sake, with no greed/money vested in. It affords a certain rational detachment. in reply to your qn (pls excuse, i cannot name actual companies or ppl 'cos of the confidentality clause we all have to sign upon entrance/exit--but rest assured, all i say is from firsthand fact): yes, fund mgmrs do this often. like, daily, in fact. Whether over a day or a few days depends on the nature of the counter: blue chips like singtel are normally bought over a few days, while pennies will be manipulated in a single day. some of them are even day trades. And yea, as i said somewhere else before, it is not just one co buying. they like to call their friends from other cos, and all buy or sell together. it generates buzz in the market so that others will buy what they are selling, or vice versa. Being professional 'hunters' tho, all in all, they prefer movement as fast as possible. but companies don't always get along as friends; some will try to outsmart their competitors. that's when it gets interesting. hehe. One will mop up whatever the other is selling, and in this way, they control the market til someone gives up. it's showhand poker. and oh yea, they don't buy at just one price. they'll space it out within a small price range (what singaporegal astutely observed as large vol with small price change)--again, this is to avoid alarming the market. It's what i call 'white noise'. |
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giantlow
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31-Dec-2006 11:53
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iPunter at least one thing that came out from our "argument" is that we get to learn from singaporegal and elfinchilde 's wonderful posts |
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iPunter
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31-Dec-2006 11:11
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hehe... so sorry for all the unsightly fonts errors... :) |
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iPunter
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31-Dec-2006 10:49
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Hi elfinchilde... |
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iPunter
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31-Dec-2006 10:48
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Hi elfinchilde... I am indeed very happy to see that there's someone like you existing in this forum... more accurately, I am so happy for the members and browsers here, who can all really benefit infinitely from your evidently self-less contribution. It simply speaks for itself... All the value-added posts you've been dishing out in spite of your recent presence. By value-added, I mean what you dished out is immensely beneficial, by way of truth, to one's present and future well-being. This is something so rare and I wonder if there'll ever be another with your self-less demeanour. I salute you. As far as I am concerned, you are the "Supreme Girl". You have my heartfelt gratitude just for your existence. ... ) |
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pikachu
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31-Dec-2006 10:13
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Hi elfinchilde, I think that you are very experienced. Do the fund managers do this often? Do they do this over a few days or over 1 day? |
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singaporegal
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31-Dec-2006 08:52
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Thanks Elfinchilde for clarifying. Happy New Year to you! Hi rickytan, If you look at the Accumulation/Distribution forumla, you can see that it takes both change in price and change in volume into account. The graph is a cumulative one. Essentially the A/D chart is one that measures buying/selling sentiment. This is a powerful chart and it is the first chart I consult when I'm interested in a stock. |
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elfinchilde
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31-Dec-2006 03:15
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hi rickytan....generally, the term 'big boys' will refer to people who have large enough sums of money to manipulate a counter--by manipulation we mean a significant price change--so these 'big boys' can be anyone from overseas fund managers, to banks, to private investors, to company directors themselves. penny stocks tend to be very liable to manipulation as they are cheap(by all the categories above, esp the last two), which is why most canny individual investors will actually avoid them: true, you can easily double your profit, but it can easily turn the other way too. it's a risk/reward ratio you need to choose to be comfortable with. as per singaporegal's words, vol is your best indicator of manipulation, esp sudden surges (take a look at hongguo's charts). If Ac/Di is still unclear to you, then a clearer indication might be vol itself: A standard trick which fund managers use: they'll buy a large vol up, and sell a few down so as to avoid major price changes all of a sudden and alarming the general market before they've made their purchase/sale. e.g, what you'll read in vol is something like 100000 buy up 2000 sell down 500000 buy up 1000 sell down etc... this is a clear indication of manipulation, esp if the trades are spaced just minutes apart. hope this helps. :) |
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giantlow
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31-Dec-2006 01:07
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iPunter. u remind me of my army buddy who likes to make corny jokes. haha. btw, i choose the nick "Giantlow" cos I am a tall guy and my surname is Low. |
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