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elmo10
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01-Jul-2007 23:42
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yes, Surelywin--- I am a baby, just started trading a from a few months back, i guess you all were baby's once upon a time. Need time to learn from senior's, |
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elmo10
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01-Jul-2007 17:59
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Hi ray how about global test. i feel it has some steam left, what's your veiw Sir. |
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elmo10
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01-Jul-2007 17:57
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Hi ray i am worried about oakwell. |
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eellee
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01-Jul-2007 15:44
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Hi Ray, Good to read your post again. Keep it up! :) |
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rayphua
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01-Jul-2007 15:26
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Ysh2006, would like to correct your post. At the current moment, LMA is not bad, PohTC is waiting to break again. Eng Kong is flat for now. Cheers. : ) |
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ed88ks
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01-Jul-2007 13:19
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I find this interesting, for the fun...... You Cannot Ignore the Fundamentals, Part II by Van K. Tharp, Ph.D. In tip number 81, I gave you a ten question quiz on some of the fundamentals behind trading success. Hopefully, you got the answers to the questions and now you can rate yourself. So here are the answers. 1. You buy a stock for $25. You want a 25% trailing stop. Where is your initial stop? Answer: Your stop should be the current price times 0.75 or $18.75. You take 75% of it, because if you subtract 25% of the price from the current price, you have your stop and that?s equivalent to 75% of the entry price. Give yourself 10 points if you got it right.
2. The same stock moves as high as $40 and then back down to $37. Where is your stop? Answer: You have a 25% trailing stop. That means that each time the stock makes a new high (or closing high if you prefer) than you take 25% of that as your stop. This is your new stop. So the prior high was $40 and your new stop is 75% of that or $30. When the price moves down you do not change your stop. Give yourself another 10 points if you got it right.
3. You have a $25,000 account and you don?t want to risk more than 1% of your account on this stock. How much of your account can you risk? Answer: Your risk is 1% of $25,000 which is $250. Give yourself 10 points if you got it right.
4. Given your answer in question 1 and 3, how many shares did you buy? Answer: Your risk is $6.25. If you divided your risk per share into your total risk allowed you would end up with 40 shares. Again, give yourself 10 points for a correct answer.
5. You buy another stock for $38, but this time your stop is only 50 cents away. How many shares can you buy to only risk 1%? Answer: Since your risk is only 50 cents, if you divide 50 cents into $250, you end up with 500 shares. Give yourself 10 points if you got it right.
6. You think that?s too many shares, so you want to base your stop on the volatility. The average true range over the last ten days of the stock has been three dollars. You decide to base your allocation on volatility. How many shares can you buy? Answer: Here you divide your 1% risk or $250 by $ share. Your answer is 83.33333333 shares. Round down to the nearest whole share, and your answer is 83. Give yourself 10 points if you got it right.
7. Since your stop is still at 50 cents, how much are you risking on this position
Answer: You are actually risking 83 times 50 cents or $41.50. Give yourself 10 points for that one. Your allocation went down because it was based upon volatility. Your stop stayed the same, so you are actually only risking $41.50.
8. What?s your total investment amount for the first stock and for the second stock? How is this different from risk?
Answer: In the first example, you bought 40 shares of a $25 stock. Your total risk was $250, but your total investment was 40 times $25 or $1000. Notice that you have a 25% stop and that your risk is 25% of your investment Give yourself 5 points for that one if you got it right.
In the second example, you either bought 500 shares based upon risk for a $19,000 investment or you bought 83 shares based upon volatility for a $3154 investment. Either one is acceptable, so if you got one of those give yourself 5 points.
9. What is the variable that accounts for most of the performance variability that you are likely to encounter? (assuming that you have your psychology together).
Answer: Position sizing. Give yourself 10 points if you got it right.
10. What have I define self-sabotage to be in these tips?
Answer: Repeating the same mistake over and over again. Give yourself 10 points.
Bonus Question: If you sold the stock at $50, you made a profit of $25. That?s 4 times your initial risk of $6.25, so you made a 4R profit.
10 more points if you got it right.
Your total score could be as high as 110.
If you score, 100 or better, then your understanding of these fundamentals is excellent. Keep up the good work.
If you scored 80-90, then you need a little work. Figure out where you are weak, and do some homework. Start with Trade Your Way to Financial Freedom if you have not read it.
If you scored 60-70, then you need a lot of work. Again figure out where you are weak and make the effort to understand the material. It?s not rocket science. It?s simple math.
If you scored 50 or less, it might be because you are new to trading and these principles. If that?s the case, then you have a little work to do. If you?ve been studying this material for some time and still got 50 or less, then perhaps trading is not for you.
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ysh2006
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01-Jul-2007 07:53
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Dear Forumer; Heard from the Les Chameaux gathering that LMA ,PTC and Eng Kong is good , Money Flow more >75..but see your chart again if you want to follow to buy. Cheer,!! |
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Simonloh
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01-Jul-2007 03:17
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That's Great ... today just noticed this thread ... ha ha ... ! |
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snoothie
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01-Jul-2007 02:00
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Time for this thread to resurface. |
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keejang
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28-May-2006 00:24
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Hi Livermore, Yep! Please do share with the rest of us if you have the time. There's never enough you can learn when it comes to investing. This is why ShareJunction was created in the first place - for all of us to Share our investing knowledge openly with others! :) Kee Jang |
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keejang
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28-May-2006 00:21
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Hi
r_ee2000, Thanks for those links! They would be very useful to all of you who use FA for investing. Kee Jang |
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Livermore
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27-May-2006 20:59
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Hi Kee Jang, I bought this book on Jesse Livermore, the world's greatest stock trader. When I have time I try to type out his trading strategies and rules. Jesse Livermore never averages down on a stock. He always averages. But averaging up can sometimes be tricky. But you are right about trading according to your personality and system. It was also mentioned in the book |
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keejang
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27-May-2006 20:26
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Hi patricksoon, I don't do day trading. I think it requires too much monitoring and I personally feel that the price movements during a trading day are much too volatile to make any reasonable trend predictions. But thats just my personal opinion. Good question on systems. I think you should take such systems with a pinch of salt when they promise a large % return. I believe the best systems are those you have tested out yourself and make consistent profit for you. Why I say this is becuase I think investing is really 70% psychology. You need to conquer your own emotions to trade effectively. So if you use other people's systems that conflict with your character or beliefs, you run the risk of actually losing money. Cheers! Kee Jang |
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keejang
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27-May-2006 20:21
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Dear Sporeguy, Yup. You're right. If you use my criteria, you'll find it difficult to find stocks that meet all of them. The hit rate is usually around 1 or 2 stocks in a month that meet the criteria. Sometimes, there are no stocks that meet the criteria so I just stay out of the market. I was referring to the Bollinger Bands when I mentioned explosive price action. You can use the bands to detect the impending possibility of either a great and sudden Increase or Decrease in stock price movement. Very useful tool! Hope I have been helpful! Kee Jang |
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keejang
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27-May-2006 20:16
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Dear
benji_gemini and Livermore, I'm happy you found a technique that works for you! I would like to say is I think everyone can be successful in investing. The difficulty is in finding a technique that matches your personal style (risk endurance, level of patience level, etc.). Once you find a technique that consistently makes profits for you, stick to it like glue! Cheers! Kee Jang |
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r_ee2000
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27-May-2006 18:04
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For investing on Fundamentals, research is quite freely available from your internet trading Portal such as POEMS etc. I find the following helpful, if you are not already aware. http://www.finanfolysis.com Sebastian Chong ? retired NUS associate Professor in Accountancy.
Public Listed Companies announcements, information etc.
SGX research information for free
Vere informative money-investment-Remisers Research
http://www.askdrmoney.com/Best_Money_sites.htm#INVESTING%20--%20FREE%20RESEARCH
http://www.uobkayhian.com.sg/html/uk_researchfrr.html
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patricksoon
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27-May-2006 17:32
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Hi Keejang I am investing mainly on FA - the downside is TIME - I wait for months, sometimes even years (CPF). Not to mention the constant reading and updating involved. I hear many mix views on TA. Traders with a system and discipline come out better off compared to traders with the idea of contra for all trades. Please share: !) Have you tried your TA system on day trades? (meaning in and out on the same day) If so, what were the results? 2) Heard of any system for day trade from your "kakis" for the local stock market? I have heard that some systems can be found for the US market but am not sure whether this can be applied locally. Cheers |
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Sporeguy
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27-May-2006 16:15
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Hi Keejang Study your criteria A to E, wah difficult to find stocks that qualify. How to decipher price revrsal is imminent ? What do u mean by price explosive? |
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Livermore
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27-May-2006 14:57
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My idea at this point of market correction is to "nimble" bits with wide price difference. In this way, you can "corner" the share price. Eventually the share price is "cornered" and has no where but to go up. Don't use all your "bullets". "Fire" more bullets in stages once the share price goes above highest purchase price. This is more applicable for stocks with potential to go up. It would be best to start "nimbling" some where near the bottom so the share price is"cornered" faster. |
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benji_gemini
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27-May-2006 14:39
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I don't use software for chart analysis. I use a "share corner" strategy. Just "nimble" bits here and there on a stock with a wide price difference and finally the share price is "trapped". Once the price moves above your highest purchase price, then average up. This strategy is more applicable for stocks with potential to go up |
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