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Manikamaniko.
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29-Nov-2007 08:55
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It's my pleasure, Sir... |
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tiandi
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29-Nov-2007 08:47
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Mani, thanks for your experience , thought and useful tips. |
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Manikamaniko.
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28-Nov-2007 22:20
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Tiandi... :) Stock trading is something one must do with conscientious study and application on one's own over a long period of time. By it's very nature, due to the fact that it is ultimately still speculation, no matter what one knows about the market, it is not suitable, practicable or desirable for open discussion, since it can easily give rise to conflicting contentions eg. bull vs bears, etc... Rather, it is an activity of self-cultivation, after ensuring one has reliable guidance... |
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tiandi
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28-Nov-2007 21:52
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mani, may be you should, or should I start? a new thread on 'Trading Technique, Stock Market Genie", so that you and those who are interested or benefited from this technique can go to read and comment in this thread? |
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Manikamaniko.
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28-Nov-2007 21:16
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Tiandi... :) Since the day I bought this book myself, I found that it is not like anything that I've come across ... I have bought hundreds of stock market books in the past, but this package really impressed me... It's the homely and personal way it presents the facts and strategies that impressed me the most... Hence, like CashierTan said, I am sort of a 'missionary' for this ebook... Mainly because I am sure that it will help others if they have this great document in their lives... ( click => Superb Document ) But unfortunately, not many will buy it... As for earnings you mentioned, my own stock market trades already make me happy... |
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tiandi
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28-Nov-2007 20:55
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mani, haha, you seem to be the promoter of this ebook . 5% of 14000 member is 700, each about USD100, that is a total sales 70,000 wow, good money to play shares. |
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Manikamaniko.
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28-Nov-2007 20:42
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Now is the time to brush up on "Stock Market Knowledge"... as a preventive measure for future losses.. I highly recommend this package to anyone who knows only a little about the ins and outs of the stock market... psychology, self management, TA, etc.etc... the lot... all can be found in this great package! Not many will get it... probably only 5% !!!.. |
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Manikamaniko.
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28-Nov-2007 20:32
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In a major fierce bull market phase, the blue chips rise first, then followed by the penny stocks and cats and dogs last... |
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jackpotbinz
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28-Nov-2007 19:26
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Recipe for a meltdownThe primary culprits behind the market turmoil are sky-high stock prices -- and it's only going to get worse, writes Fortune's Shawn Tully.(Fortune) -- With the S&P down over 10% from its October record high, TV pundits and Wall Street strategists are blaming the most obvious culprits for the sudden reversal of fortune, chiefly the subprime crisis and the looming threat of a recession. But it's neither the credit crunch, nor a slowing economy -- nor a third hobgoblin, the weak dollar -- that pushed the markets into correction territory Monday.
The real reason is so basic, and so antithetical to Wall Street's habitual happy talk about stocks, that it barely rates a mention in the market chatter. Put simply, stocks are extremely expensive relative to the daunting risk in owning them. At current prices, earnings can't possibly grow fast enough to give investors the fat returns they covet. There's just one way for equities to get their lustre back -- their prices have to fall substantially so that investors can harvest attractive returns from the modest profit growth that's in the cards. Like the biblical sheik who hastens to Samarra to escape death, only to find death waiting for him there, stocks have an inescapable appointment with a withering fate. Naturally, stocks could bubble back to their old heights in the next few weeks or months. If the recent past proves anything, it's that the course of equity prices is totally unpredictable from day to day or quarter to quarter. As the economist Milton Friedman once told me, after returning my call collect, "Stock prices are rational in the long-term, but in the short-term, they're far from rational. They're full of noise." But don't let the Wall Street crowd fool you into thinking that the current decline is mostly noise, an irrational blip in a bull market caused by a spate of bad news. What we're probably witnessing is a massive, irreversible revaluation of stocks based on fundamentals. The repricing machine is now in motion. The smart money says it won't stop, despite feints and lurches, until stocks are a bargain again, a prospect investors haven't seen in years. Why are stocks at a probable turning point? The reason is that investors' perception of the potential perils of holding equities has changed substantially in the last few months. In any major shift, it's impossible to predict what the catalyst will be. In this case, it was the subprime mess. Again, subprime was the catalyst, not the cause. It wasn't just a crisis that would pass, as the pundits argued, but a flashing red warning that triggered a durable shift in investor psychology. Before the credit crisis, investors took an incredibly blasé attitude toward risk. Yields on junk bonds, corporate debt, and office buildings were at all-time lows. Then subprime struck. Suddenly, investors recognized that the rates on high-risk mortgages didn't come close to reflecting the high probability that homeowners would default on their mortgages. So the prices of subprime paper plummeted. The downward pull on prices spread to all types of fixed income securities, from all types of junk bonds to LBO loans. Now, the fear of risk is spreading to equities with a vengeance. The problem with equities is that the repricing following the bubble of the late 1990s never fully played out. Stocks roared back from their 2001 lows, reaching record levels this fall. The rub is that they were, and still are, extremely expensive. The best way to measure whether stocks are giving you enough juice for the risk you're taking is examining the equity risk premium. This is the ultimate number in corporate finance, what Dartmouth economist Kenneth French calls "the holy grail" of stock investing. Let's run through some simple math. The best measure for the future return on stocks is the earnings yield, the inverse of the price-to-earnings (PE) ratio. Today, the PE, based on trailing 12 month earnings, is around 16. That's not too far above the historic average of 14. Even by that measure, stocks are far from cheap. But the 16 PE isn't the whole story. Earnings are now near a cyclical peak, having jumped more than 60% since 2001. They're now more than 12% of GDP versus an historic average of around 9%. Over long cycles, earnings grow in tandem with GDP. It's likely that they will grow more slowly than national income over the next few years to restore the normal ratio. That prediction makes sense: Many of the factors that led to the earnings explosion are now shifting. Rates for corporate borrowing have increased substantially, companies are being forced to invest far more capital equipment to remain competitive, and labor is demanding a bigger share of the pie. To get a more accurate read on the PE, it's critical to smooth earnings to take out the spikes in the cycle. Yale economist Robert Shiller has developed a profits-smoothing formula that does just. The Shiller model now puts the PE at around 22 or 23, reflecting today's sumptuous earnings. So where does that put the equity risk premium? With a PE of 22, the earnings yield is just 4.5%. So the return investors can expect from equities is 4.5% plus expected inflation of 2.5%, or around 7%. To get the equity risk premium, subtract that expected return from the 10-year treasury rate of 4%. That's the extra lift investors get for choosing the perils of holding stocks over the comfort of owning government bonds. At 3%, the equity risk premium is low by historical standards. The recent decline has helped make it more attractive. But the drop hasn't gone far enough. Over the past 50 years, the risk premium has averaged around 5%. Maybe investors don't need that big a spread today, given the ease of diversifying portfolios and the Fed's ability to smooth economic cycles. So let's say the number is now 4%. To get there, stocks still need to drop an additional 18%. The most dangerous sector is technology. Just look at the lofty PE's. The big names like Microsoft (Charts, Fortune 500) and Intel (Charts, Fortune 500) boast multiples of between 20 and 25, yet they're now giant, mature enterprises that, because of their sheer size, can't grow profits nearly fast enough to justify their high prices. For the Googles and Yahoos, the outlook is far scarier. Google's PE now stands at 52. Say you're expecting a 10% a year return from Google (Charts, Fortune 500). Its market cap would have to double to more than $400 billion by 2014. Even if Google kept a stellar PE of 30, it would need to earn $13 billion by then. Today, it earns about $4 billion. So its profits would need to more than quadruple in seven years. It won't happen. For the bulls, the coup de grace is the math -- earnings growth cannot bail out the market. The reason is that what really counts, earnings per share, don't even grow as fast as GDP. That's because companies regularly issue more shares and dilute their current shareholders -- the explosion in stock options is only the most obvious example. Because of the big dilution, earnings per share grow far more slowly than GDP; the best estimate is around 2%, adjusted for inflation. Investors can't get fat returns from profit growth. But they can get good returns from a combination of far higher dividend yields plus modest profit growth. And for dividend yields to rise, prices have to drop. That's the inexorable math we now see playing out. Forget the chatter, ignore the headlines, and follow the math. Prices will get a lot more attractive. The process is underway. All investors have to do is wait. |
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elfinchilde
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24-Nov-2007 16:30
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think there's one more downtrend still, and quite a big one; on techs a lot of stocks not done bottoming yet, not even halfway through. so no hurry. |
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cashiertan
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24-Nov-2007 15:05
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i m not bothered with unfriendly looks, what matters is how much more u make eventually. |
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Manikamaniko.
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24-Nov-2007 09:17
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Cashier... :) I am thinking the same as you... But unfortunately, in case we are wrong, we will get so much unfriendly looks... This is because in the market, there are both bulls and bears at any one time... |
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cashiertan
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24-Nov-2007 03:15
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all the indexes are still on down trend. dun jump into the market too fast, there maybe one more major downside potential |
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tiandi
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24-Nov-2007 00:23
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jackpotbinz, first, the pic must have a URL and it must be on 24-hour running file server, those web hosting companies are running their servers all the time to allow internet access to their website, example are Yahoo.com, Microsoft etc etc. for example : I copy this URL from Yahoo.com, http://ads.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/sc/scottrade/090607_yahoo105x60.gif So to post this picture, you goto the top right hand corner of this post a reply window, click the icon on Insert/Modify Image, a popup manu appear, you just paste your USL into the Image URL, click preview just to see for yourselves you got the correct image, then just click OK. you will see the below Scottrade logo. Hope this helps |
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jackpotbinz
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23-Nov-2007 23:54
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Opps! Can you advice how do I paste a pic here? What do u mean reside on a server? |
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tanglinboy
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23-Nov-2007 22:32
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Can't see your pic. You can't link a picture from your desktop. It needs to reside on a server first. |
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jackpotbinz
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23-Nov-2007 13:51
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jackpotbinz
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23-Nov-2007 00:34
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STI INDEX Still well below 20% correction mark to be in same boat as Topix Index whose 20.8% fall signals Japan as first of world?s 10 biggest bourses to enter bear market
The definition of 20% plunge from main index peak is itself questionable but nevertheless interesting to ponder. Usually when indices fall less than 10% it is considered a normal pullback or consolidation but when it is between 10-20% it qualifies as a correction phase, the higher the teens the more serious the correction.
In fact the last correction in July-August from 3688 intra-day peak to 2962 intra-day low nearly qualified as the start of a bear market in Singapore as it was a total loss of 19.69%. (The 39-year-old Topix, the broadest gauge of equity prices in the world's second-largest economy, fell 2.1% yesterday to 1,438.72, the lowest since October 2005 and down 20.8% from its 2007 high of 1,816.97 on Feb. 26).
This round so far the STI has lost 600 points or 15.36% from its Oct 10 intra-day high of 3906 to 3306 this morning as the index crossed the support at a major February peak of 3316.
What is clear is the great uncertainty about the depth of the US housing crisis will continue to make stock market round the world volatile in the days and weeks ahead and players must ensure that they understand the game very well when making purchases and sales.
More significantly, players must be hoping there would not be a replay of the Aug 17 carnage when the STI crashed 6.15% to as low as 2962 after lunch (down 194 points) but managed to bounce strongly to end at 3130.71, down a mere 21 points.
A 20% loss from its Oct 10 peak of 3906 would take the STI or 3124.85, coinciding with the Aug 17 close and thus represents a critical support zone.
The next week or 2 will be critical especially on Wall Street, HK and China markets. The former may continue to be under pressure ahead of the FOMC meeting on Dec 11 and if the Dow breaks its 12500 support and in danger of breaking 12000 then the Fed may have no choice but to cut rates not by ¼% but 0.5%.
In that event, we may finally have a year-end/new year rally but with many bruised egos and burnt fingers there may not be much to celebrate. Source: Amfraser Securities Pte Ltd |
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