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OI LAO CHEEBYE |
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30-Nov-2013 23:57
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Wow..bro advisor, u arw very bullish about penny stocks and seems like u will hold more than 10 stocks in dwcember..lol | ||||
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30-Nov-2013 23:17
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Besides the Amplefield & CNA, I will be monitoring a few counters like SIIC, CCM, Jubilee, W Corp, AP, Vibropower, OEL, A Sonic, ISO Team. Likely will jeep at least 2 of the above counters.
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30-Nov-2013 22:02
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Ya vallianz is really unbelievable. I made a few times but also lost a few times too. Reason I lost is because I v impatient so just cut even though I was confident it was accumulation. -.-
For albedo long term, sorry I really don't know. Nowadays I try to fifo as much as possible so m v short-term-based in terms of trading. Of course I hope it goes up higher for u!! I do rmb they have some share consolidation thing, not sure when, might affect the price as well. Huat ah!!
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expertinvestor
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30-Nov-2013 19:10
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5617 also...
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spss1955
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30-Nov-2013 19:01
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Bo Tiok lei. Closest is 6611
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30-Nov-2013 18:43
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4D opening in a few mins. I went to buy 5110, 5114, 5116 and 5119 all ibet. Haha | ||||
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30-Nov-2013 18:42
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Thks! I bought Magnus weeks ago at 31. So dk wanna cut loss not... As for sysma, I bought at 27 and got the dividend. Most probably gonna sell on mon. Thks!
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30-Nov-2013 17:50
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Sysma is now trap between 20DMA and 200DMA of price 255 and 270 respectively. It is currently trading in range. Even if it break out, it will hit 100DMA at 290. Not a good counter to look at or even try at the moment. Magnus is currently trading below all 4 important MA but it seems to be climbing up to test 20DMA at 29. Even if it can break 29, the next resistance is at 31. So where got meat. So for the time being don't waste time on these 2 counters. Go look for counters that is trading above 4 MA(20DMA, 50DMA, 100DMA & 200DMA). Hope it helps! Huat ah!
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30-Nov-2013 17:01
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Bro, any comments for Magnus and sysma?
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30-Nov-2013 16:18
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Bro spss1955, retailers usually think the normal way whereas BBs do the opposite way. When BBs wants to sell, of course put big buy queue n small sell queue so retailers will buy up while they continue to sell. When the price is going up, it works the opposite way. I can only say higher possibility only....cannot say sure move that way. If buy n sell queue abt equal queue volume, then hard to predict the direction. Can only use previous movement n chart to predict. As I have shared with Sis Luna69, using big queue at MD not enoughto predict a direction. You can do an eexperiment yourself maybe on a few counters like CNA, Sky One, SIIC n Amplefield on Monday. Look at the big queue both buy n sell before market starts n see what's the result of your observation. | ||||
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Stockcham
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30-Nov-2013 15:52
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Sis Luna69, if the BBs want to be the first in queue, they will have to do it earlier n the earliest is after 5.15pm. I don't like to see big sell queue 2-3 pips above the price because it usually won't push higher or maybe not much movement. On what it mean when both buy sell also have big queue, then hard to predict movement. Whatever the case, it is not 100% n sometimes don't move the way we expect. At the end of the day can't only see the big queue to make decision. I have already mentioned the steps n big queue at MD only increase the possibility of a movement. | ||||
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30-Nov-2013 15:39
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So many thing to read wor
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Luna69
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30-Nov-2013 13:28
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Bro SC, u r using cfd also? Can I know which one?
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Luna69
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30-Nov-2013 13:25
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Tks bro SC for sharing this detail analysis... 4d I buy Liao ley can't go later to buy again haha strike second I also happy haha... Your English is clear ley!
I hv qns: 1) why if going down big buy q will place there after 5.15? 2) during matching some time see big sell q only at 2pips higher onwards n big buy q 2 pips lower... Does this means anything ? Eg EP at 129 but big buy q at 125-126 n big sell q at 131-139.... When trading start it move up 131 n come down again 127 n move up again n just range bound there... 3) eg Amplefield, I see md but can't catch the "feel" on the sell n buy q so also nvr touch ... Itz md has sell q few pips up but open also just stay there ... Like siic also, just stay there n move a bit down n back up but nvr Chiong ...this type also catch no ball... 4) also counters w very big block sell n buy q both side... Also catch no ball like just going to range bound there... But sometime they do suddenly Chiong up... Like albedo... Even vallianz up down don't know potential up so much unless is holding mid term then can hv the confidence to just hold n let it dance... I practice what u teach for skyone on fri, I tot hv chance to break 143 n I place mine at 144... End up nvr push thru so sell off at 139.. But drink kopi better than vomit blood... Unfortunately I usu can't watch 30mina open matching time coz still on journey to work n can only catch last 5-10mins...
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30-Nov-2013 12:55
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Bro muifan, for those trades that I loss money, the reasons are very simple. 1) When I saw a counter suddenly chiong up, I didn't check the chart and chiong in. So after I chiong in it drop or move 1-2 pips then drop, I cut it so loss money. 2) I predicted the way it may move so I buy. But it didn't move up as I expected, so I cut...loss money. 3) I didn't check the information correctly. E.g. GRP. I bought it because I see volume the previous day and knew that the next day is Ex-Rights. But I didn't noticed that there is a CD until Sis winter told me the next day also XD. So cannot escape XD open 11 pips lower. Loss money. 4) When it move 2-3 pips up and haven't hit my target price, I didn't sell. Saw that like no power liao but still wait to see whether can move up. In the end cut at buy price loss commission. 5) Too busy with work never monitor closely. Come back saw it drop suddenly so quickly cut it without thinking. Loss money. Usually my losses are not many pips because I cut it earlier. I usually loss on Point no. 1 and loss more on commission. In fact, CFD is good because of low commission. But the problem is cannot buy many pennies using CFD which is a setback. If my commission is low, I can make more money. My commission(buy+sell) is about 0.007x(the contract value whichever is higher). Good luck and Huat ah! |
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From Bro JS
Just to share some of my trading principles for the benefit of some the our new Rule #1: Cooling off period No buying/selling for the first 10-15mins of opening. Usually this is the time when most punters will rush in (machiam those uncles/aunties rushing into the mrt trains looking for their coveted seats) and it will be too volatile for me to judge which way it is going. But it is also useful during this time to observe and predict which way the counter may move. (pls note I say may hor, I can be wrong too!). Take example from my CNA trade today: Opened 0.192, up a few bids, down to 0.188, up to 0.20, down to 0.198 and up to 0.20 before steadying at 0.20/0.205. Saw buyers kept coming in even though there are more sellers, so decided to try my luck to see whether can get it at 0.20. Lucky got it before it got ramped up. Rule #2: Take profit and protect profit Usually I take reference from chart to see the immediate resistance and I will sell at 1 bid lower than the resistance. At the same time, I will also set another price to protect my profit should the price did not hit the resistance and fall back. If I think the counter can rise further, I will take half profit first and fight with the balance. So moral of the story is dun forget to take profit, smaller gains are always better than losing! Take example from my CNA trade again: Sold my at 0.24 where resistance is 0.245. Should it falls before hitting 0.24, I will sell at 0.21. That's how I protect my profit. Rule #3: Cut loss Easier said than done! Usually when money is involved, emotions are too. There is no hard and fast rule on when to cut loss. Set yourself a cut loss level, be disciplined and stick to it. There is a saying " rise is like climbing stairs, fall is like taking lift" which means when price falls, it is usually faster than it rises. When the going is against you, admit you are wrong in your view and cut! Hoping for miracle is a fairy tale in this mkt, it usually does not happen. Rule #4: Dun forget rule#1-3Hope it helps and good luck to all.....cheers! From bro SC To be a contra player, we need to know how to read a technical chart. You do not need to be a professional chartist. All you need to know from the chart is the support and resistance price of a stock. It is important because it gives you a guide when to buy or sell a stock which reduce your risk. Learning how to take profit or cut loss within one's comfort zone is very important. Always try to understand why you are buying a stock even if it is based on simple support and resistance, demand vs supply or FA. reason why we loss: 1) Timing of buy and sell When a counter moves, I get excited but don't dare to buy. Then it moves some more, I buay tahan chiong. Once chiong, the counter stop moving and start to drop. Many people kena this including me. I kena last time many times. Now a bit smarter but still kena at times because of emotion. To tackle this problem, I use a chart to see the resistance. If the price is still quite far away from the resistance, I may buy. Why not buy straight?. Becuase I must see whether any constant buying coming in. if every time buy then go down, then I think it got to do with timing. Maybe you think too long. Many peoples made the same mistake. When feel a counter will move, don't dare to go in. Think until it chiong fast then chiong in. In the end kenna. Is that what happen to you?. Sometimes it's luck lah. Today many peoples lose money. So you still okay. If everyone makes money n you lose, then must face the wall n think. 2) I did not cut loss fast enough. I always wait and wait, hoping for it to rebound. Why I wait?. because the buy queue got quite big volumn compare to sell queue. Someone may eat up. When the buy queue gone or being throw out, drop one pip and still see good buy queue. wait again. it melt slowly. When you finally realised it after calculation, it is already quite a sum. Since loss so much, hope tomorrow will be better. So wait until tomorrow. To tackle this problem, again I use a chart to see the support price. If the current price is very near support price, you can wait as long as the supoort don't break. If the support price is quite far away. Better sell if it drop 2-3 pips after you bought it. Why I say sell?. because when I buy a counter, I expect it to move up. it cannot keep going down. If it does, then something is wrong. Take for example IPC. I expect it to moves up soon. I did mentioned that it hover around 0.167-0.169 and support at 0.17. Before market close, it seems to break 0.17 liao. But I still have the lowest 0.167 to support. During matching time, I can see that it is going to match below my last support of 0.167. I quickly cut it by joining in to match sell. How it will move on Monday I don't care. I only know that it is more risky for me to hold after it break the support. You see, I just bought 0.173 yesterday. But I still cut it today at 0.166. I loss quite a few pips(about $2k) but I still cut it. If last time, I will wait and see. This morning also bought Viking matched buy. When it moves the other direction without moving up. I cut it and loss $1k plus within 2 hours. Must dare dare cut. Today I bought CNA and it closed at its support price 0.155. If Monday break 0.155, I will throw straight sell at 0.153. I give myself 2 pips allowance. Take for example... Queue Buy at 1.00 is 500 lots and Queue Sell at 1.005 is 5000lots. If many peoples starts to buy up 1.005, it will show many " S" . So the buying goes until 1.005 left 1000lots. Then suddenly someone throw out 1000lots out at 1.00. It will beomes 0.995-1.00. It moves down instead of up. Besides that, it is common for BBs to buy their own lots. This is not a good indication of price movement. Times & Sales not accurate one. 3) You may set a high TP but you also have to set your cut off price if your TP doesn't reach. Cannot die die wait for TP to reach. You see my TP for Innopac is 152. I prepare to sell at 149. But when it doesn't reach and drop back fast, I throw at 143. I don't care because I still have profit. Learn how to take profit. 4) When you buy a counter, I believe you must have expect it to rise. If it doesn't go your way but go the other way, it is good to cut it. What price to cut?. You will have to decide once you bought it. Don't hope. In stock market, HOPE usually makes people lose money. If you moves up, forget it. In a long run, you will benefit. Many peoples ask this question " Why everytime I sold it then it chiong up" . Why?. Because they hold for too long during the selling period. When their due date reach or drop too much, the selling is almost done and is ready for a rebound. 4) When a counter runs, chiong in because worry the price will be gone.(I still do that...Lol). My experience tells me it is easier to lose money. I also lose sometimes but won't kenna jialat jialat because I chiong in faster than many peoples. Why?. When I see a counter starts to move, I chiong in liao regardless of whether the sell queue is 5000 lots or not. When a counter moves, many peoples worry to see big sell queue. So don't chiong first. Wait! Then the price gone。 Move up 1 pip and see the same thing. Still see first. See for a few times moves a few pips, buay tahan liao so chiong in. That was a few pips higher liao. So when he finally bought it, he also want to make a few pips. So a few pips plus another a few pips total equal many pips. So can't reach the TP, wait! When it drop, HOPE takes over. 5) One must have some target counters and price which he intends to buy. That's why we need a watchlist of counters. We see them everyday. We should have some thoughts like e.g. " When it break this price, I will buy" , When it drop to this price, I will buy" , " When this related counter moves, this will move so I buy" . So when you have a counter which you think that it will move tomorrow, follow your heart and buy early morning. Don't wait until it starts to move then buy.We cannot sit at the computer every morning and see which one chiong. If chiong I chiong in. Or wait for tips or kang tao from your broker. Don't ever believe kang tao from broker. You will die faster. buy early morning doesn't mean buy any price. Try not to match buy when there is a gap up especially with many pips. hard to make money. 6) Know your counter well. You have to know their daily buy sell queue, their normal daily traded volumn, their trading pattern and so on. Memorise the patterns of the counter ur playing, is a good skill to have. :) 7) This I have said before. Watch a counter chiong. When it chiong, see how the lots were eaten up. Did the lots at sell queue eaten up at one go or slowly eaten up and still left some for you to buy?. Or did BBs buy straight at sell queue price when the buy queue is 500 lots and sell queue 5000 lots?. Or is there any buy lots coming in again at the buy price when someone throw it down and almost finish it?. Or is there anyone throw out big lots at one go and the price drop a few pip at one go? and so on. Try to analyse it. see how the price was match. There is something going on during matching. That's why you can see during matching time, the lots at buy sell queue for a chiong ounter will keep changing and adjusting until you see 2 price jump up and down. Matching is one way BBs distribute their holdings. Big matching lots are usually not good e.g the matching lots are 10000 lots (must take into consideration the usually buy/sell volumn because 10000 lots for some counters are not consider unusual). Try not to match lah. Not so easy to make money one. If really want to match, there is 2 kind of matching buy which you may want to avoid especially the counter that chiong the previous day. e.g. as below 8) One need to have knowledge of resistance and support price. This is very important. Without this knowledge, even if you have a watchlist of counters also no use because you don't know what to see. If one can lose 4-5k, why not spend some of this losses to go for Technical Analysis course. This is very useful except during the market correction time where this TA becomes almost useless. You see, I makes money and also lose money. But do you noticed something?. I usually make money from those counters which I have done my homework and share with you all with explanation or when I find something fishy going on. Although some calls buay zhun, but overall still okay right. But for those counters I chiong one which I didn't monitor just because it chiong, I lose money very often. Some may say then why I anyhow chiong. This is my style. Playing contra in stock market is just like gambling. In gambling, we want shiok. So I can't change unless I keep losing money. At times I may lose big money, it is usually because I bought too many counters and they lose money. I seldom lose big in one counter because I always cut and usually cut fast(Of course sometimes a bit slow...Lol). My record is 1 min if I remember correctly. Buy and sell within a min. How to do that?. When this counter starts to move, I chiong in straight at sell queue price, then the big buy queue suddenly withdraw. I sell immediately. I am not an expert and I also loss a lot of money before. But when I lost money, I will think why I lost. Not keep thinking how much I loss. My trading style is still not so good. But because I can still make money overall, I didn't bother to think much. If I starts to keep losing money, I will control my anyhow chiong. 9) one more impt element in trading stocks, LISTEN, if u cant forget yr lost, keep thinking how much u have lost, thinking how fast u want it back by more counters and lots, STOP TRADING!!!!!! ur not in the right mind. Trading stock is long term, slow and steady profit. The stock mkt is always there, thats good, means TAKE YR TIME to draw level and win one day. 10) The conclusion is this. In stocks trading, it is not about what counter is good to buy. It is about how you buy and how you sell. 11) trade within your means. mkt is always there, dun use up all your bullets. *the surest 1st step of making money is firstly to learn how to to lose less.., its an art as some sifu once put it* 12) Cooling off period No buying/selling for the first 10-15mins of opening. Usually this is the time when most punters will rush in (machiam those uncles/aunties rushing into the mrt trains looking for their coveted seats) and it will be too volatile for me to judge which way it is going. But it is also useful during this time to observe and predict which way the counter may move. (pls note I say may hor, I can be wrong too!). the peak hr, everyone rushing in and out Take example from my CNA trade today: Opened 0.192, up a few bids, down to 0.188, up to 0.20, down to 0.198 and up to 0.20 before steadying at 0.20/0.205. Saw buyers kept coming in even though there are more sellers, so decided to try my luck to see whether can get it at 0.20. Lucky got it before it got ramped up. 13) Take profit and protect profit Usually I take reference from chart to see the immediate resistance and I will sell at 1 bid lower than the resistance. At the same time, I will also set another price to protect my profit should the price did not hit the resistance and fall back. If I think the counter can rise further, I will take half profit first and fight with the balance. So moral of the story is dun forget to take profit, smaller gains are always better than losing! Take example from my CNA trade again: Sold my at 0.24 where resistance is 0.245. Should it falls before hitting 0.24, I will sell at 0.21. That's how I protect my profit. 14) Cut loss Easier said than done! Usually when money is involved, emotions are too. There is no hard and fast rule on when to cut loss. Set yourself a cut loss level, be disciplined and stick to it. There is a saying " rise is like climbing stairs, fall is like taking lift" which means when price falls, it is usually faster than it rises. When the going is against you, admit you are wrong in your view and cut! Hoping for miracle is a fairy tale in this mkt, it usually does not happen. 15) I always believe if a person is willing to learn and spend more time to analyse, he will be a better player the next time. Discipline is also one aspect that everyone have to master. I haven't master yet but have improve over the years. 16) example on why people get caught on high price. Take for example Ah Beng want to buy 100 lots of Counter A priced at 0.10. He monitor this counter. Wa seh, looks like got support leh. Wa lao eh, got buyers keep coming in when someone throw down. But cannot buy first because there is big sell queue there. Wait first, kua ho sei seng. See a while sell queue gone and jump 1 pip. Aiyo, don't know whether is it a trap or not. Better see properly because the sell queue also high. Ko kua jit eh...Oop! Jump 1 pip again. Wa lan eh, this sell queue even bigger. Looks likes moving. Nevermind, wait till it starts eating the sell queue lim pei will chiong in. Oh1 Oh!, start to eat sell queue liao. Quickly keyed in buy orders. Oop!, sell queue ko bo ki liao...jump another pip and now on queue. Quickly withdraw on queue order and keyed in to buy at the next sell queue. Whew! Ni na ma eh, finally get it liao. Si beh song! Lim pei eh target is to make $1k. What's the problem with the above exmaple?. 1) See support and constant buying coming in but don't dare to buy! Indecisive and end up buy 4 pips higher. 2) Buy only 100 lots want to make $1k. To cover commission, the counter has to move 11 pips. So 4 pips + 11 pips = 15 pips. How many counters move 15 pips?. This is worst if the counter already chiong a few pips, and then you starts the above monitoring and buy process. |
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Sharing again what bro joseeng n bro SC mentioned before...
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30-Nov-2013 12:39
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Bro SC, it is really confusing - big sell/low buy queue = price will go up big buy/low sell queue = price will go down. But guess this is BBs tactic to confuse retailers? What about if sell and buy have same strength with 1 pip difference? eg 1,000 lots buy 0.105 and 1,000 lots sell at 0.106? Meaning the price will stagnant within a small range for the day?
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