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a bit lengthy, but is worth reading... Traps & Tips for Every Trader
Part 1: 10 traps of every trader
1. No Prior Planning
Most traders perceive the stock market as the place to ?strike it rich overnight?. Everyone who enters the stock market has a common goal: to generate returns from their investment. However, at any one point, there are buyers and sellers ? some will make a profit whilst others incur losses. Like a marathon between buyer and seller, to emerge victorious in this financial game, you require not only intellect and courage, but more importantly a combination of psychological control, patience and a sound trading strategy.
Ordinary traders naively believe that profiting from stock merely involves buying low and selling high. As a result they purchase stocks without prior planning solely based on the price of the stock. The lack of strategic planning and ignorance in technical analysis will attribute to these traders? downfall. Without making an informed decision, they enter into the market, clueless of the appropriate time to enter and exit, and as a result, this seemingly unimportant step in planning, will cost them dearly.
2. Making A Haphazard Entry
Ordinary traders tend to apply the ?wet market mentality? in the stock market. They buy into stocks with prices that have reached historical lows, whilst avoiding stocks that are breaking new highs. These traders are hoping to catch the ?lowest? point. But, just how low is low?
The danger with buying stocks cheap is that these stocks are on a downward trend. It could bottom out, and stay there for years. There is an opportunity cost to consider. Also, buying stocks on a downward trend means it could get even lower ? not a healthy stock trend. Hence instead of making profit from these ?cheaper bargains?, they end up losing their capital in stocks that are proceeding downward.
3. Bold When Suffering Losses, Overcautious When Reaping Profit
When a stock price falls lower than the purchase price, traders tend to minimize their losses by averaging down. On the surface, it may seem like a logical thing to do. But in actual fact, averaging downwards only makes the losses bigger.
For instance, you purchased a stock at $2 and the stock price depreciates to $1.50. Your loss is $0.50. Assuming you apply the downward averaging method and made another purchase at $1.50, you reduce you initial purchase price to $1.75. Your losses seem to be reduced from $0.50 to $0.25. Although it appears as if the loss you incurred is lowered, the problem actually worsens.
How so? If we use the returns from the investment as a yardstick to determine whether the investment is a good choice, from this perspective, averaging downwards would mean that you are investing more of your funds into a bad investment. This increases the severity of the ?bad? investment. In addition, investing more into this bad investment limits your available capital and reduces the opportunity of purchasing other stocks that have more potential. In essence, the downward averaging strategy only makes you incur bigger losses, instead of accumulating wealth.
Most traders can be said to suffer from ?stock market acrophobia? ? fear of heights. In the stock market context, due to the fear of high price, traders often miss the opportunity to profit from a rising share.
Ordinary traders are of the mindset that if a particular stock price is too high, the probability of a sharp fall is impending, and conversely, when stock price is low it is more likely to increase and make profit. Unfortunately, this mindset, although logical on the surface, does not hold true. To profit from a stock investment, the price of the stock is irrelevant. High or low is relative. What matters above all, is the probability of the stock price rising.
In a bullish market, price of all stocks generally appreciate - stock prices will rise higher and higher. And, we hope the future price; will be higher than the current price. Therefore regardless of the price of the stock, as long as the future price is higher than entry price a profit is made. In other words, it?s better to buy HIGH, and sell HIGHER. Then, the supposed ?high? price, is no longer as high as initially thought. Again, High or Low, its just relative to the selling price.
Conversely the perpetual longing to purchase a lower price would mean entering a stock that is proceeding in a downward trend. If you buy LOW, on a downtrend, you are more likely to sell LOWER. This is an impending loss strategy.
4. Unwilling to Face Up to Your Losses
Ordinary traders tend to fantasize rather than realize. They are often unwilling to confront their losses thinking that as long as the stock is not sold, no loss has incurred. And, while the loss is still within tolerable limits, traders experience an emotional whirlpool of fear and greed. This results in reluctance to cut loss. Traders naively believing that the stock will rise and that selling the stock is an indication of defeat.
There is a saying in stock market talk ?In the market there are only two types of emotion ? hopeful and fearful. Unfortunately when there?s a need to be fearful everyone is hopeful, when the market is hopeful everyone are fearful?
But, to be a successful trader, one does not need to depend on Hope, or be motivated by Fear.
Do not live in denial. Accept the defeat. Cut loss. Do not let the loss get more severe.
As long as these traders are unwilling to accept defeat ? while the loss is still within tolerable limits, the down trend will continue and snowball. Incurring bigger and bigger losses.
Many resist cutting loss, hoping for the possibility a price rebound. However, even if the price were to rebound, you can still enter again.
Never be overly concerned about the brokerage fees involved in such transactions. Brokerage fees are minimal if compared to the loss. It is always better to recuperate the remaining capital, than to lose all.
5. Careful to Enter, but Neglecting to Exit
Most investors are only preoccupied with stock selection and entry price, but are clueless as to when to exit. For instance, if a stock price depreciates after purchase what should be done? When to exit/to stop losses? Conversely, if a stock appreciates in price after purchase, when should one take profit?
Very often investors only realize that they do not know how to minimize losses only after they have incurred a heavy loss. Similarly being ignorant of when to take profit, only realizing when the outlook is no longer optimistic, is also another common mistake of ordinary traders.
In actual fact, knowing when to exit is of paramount importance, as profit or loss is ultimately determined by the exit price.
6. Quick to Take Profit
Ordinary traders are as fearful as mice - Quick to take profit - cash out when there is slight appreciation in stock price. Why? They are afraid and anticipate a sharp price fall. The result - a meager return from their investment.
However when there is depreciation in price they are as bold as tigers: they hold on tightly to a stock, adamant to wait for share price to rebound. Or worse yet, they buy more into the stock, thinking that averaging down is the only way to go. This only results in a heavier loss as the stock price tumbles downwards.
When you cash out at the first sign of profit, whilst compensating as the stock loses its value, it is inevitable that losses will be larger than profits.
7. Trusting Rumors, Tips and Expert?s Advice Wholeheartedly
Ordinary investors devise their own trading strategy from news ? be it ?hot tips?, direct ?from the horses? mouth? or from financial reports, financial analysis or guru?s recommendation. Entrusting their hard earned money in such hearsay is really skating on thin ice.
It would be more productive to invest time and effort to reassess past failures and learn a proper trading strategy, than to acquire supposedly reliable financial gurus? advice and tips.
8. Devoted only to Familiar Stocks
Some investors only invest in stocks they are familiar with. This greatly narrows their stock selection. If these investors are willing to invest some time in researching beyond their familiar stocks and widen their options, there will be a higher probability in investing in stocks with more potential.
9. Lack of Consistency and Discipline
Despite having an efficient trading strategy, certain traders still fumble in the stock market. These traders may be aware of the necessary trading parameters but lack the discipline to abide by them. When the stock price appreciates to a certain level, many are reluctant to take profit as they are unwilling to part with their stocks. This is the result of being overwhelmed by greed - holding the stock, hoping to earn more. Conversely, when the stock price depreciates these traders are unwilling to sell as they are not willing to incur the loss. This emotional turmoil has made traders lose their opportunity to make minimal losses while maximizing their gains.
It is imperative to abide by certain trading principals ? the rules. And strictly follow a strategy. Traders must practice some emotional discipline.
10. Unable to Make Rational Decisions
Most traders are unable to discard their emotions when making investment related decisions - instead of observing market trends and indicators; they rely on their feelings to make decisions. They fail to see that the stock market comprises of masses, hence it is the masses that determines the stock movements, not an individual investor or the trader per se.
Part 2: Tips to be a successful trader
1. Go with the Flow
In today?s economy where everything is interlinked ? the economy, government, natural and man-made disasters, all affect the stock market. It is almost impossible to predict market trends.
Fortunately, achieving a successful trade does not require you to forecast the entire market trend. It only requires you to observe the market trend, determine whether it is a bull market, a bear market, a correction or a bear market rally. And as long as the market is proceeding in a direction, the situation is to your advantage. Allow the market to decide how you should react: bull market buy long, bear market sell short. If it is undergoing a correction, stay at the sidelines. Not taking position in the market, IS taking a position. A position to stay out.
Remember, the market will always be there. We do NOT need to be in every trade, all of the time. Patience is often a virtue.
2. Have a Trading System and Abide by it
Top-notch traders set their own trading strategy and abide by it religiously. Similarly, to be a successful trader you must have a trading system that you will be confident to apply and to stick to.
A good trading strategy MUST have the following:
1) Take advantage of the market trend
2) Stop loss promptly
3) Maintain profit
4) Manage risk
If we have a good trading strategy, the intra-day price fluctuation should not be our biggest concern. A good trading strategy should prepare you for any possible outcome. It should prepare you for a ?worse/best case scenario?.
Therefore having a comprehensive set of trading strategies will enable you to:
ü Know the entry trigger price
ü How much shares to buy per stock
ü Maximum risk of an investment
ü When to hold or sell the stock (in an event the price depreciates)
ü When to let the profit run, when to exit with profit (in the event that price appreciates)
ü When to add position (to a potential stock)
ü When to exit and re-enter (if stock rebounds)
3. Have Conviction in Your System
For you to follow a strategy consistently and with discipline, it must be a tried and tested strategy ? one you have confidence in and can rely on. It has to undergo stringent tests and prove to be effective. Once you have found a good strategy, you must believe in it with absolute faith.
In reality, there is no one system that is perfect. Every strategy has its flaws. Also, unless it?s a crystal ball, no one can forecast the future, and predict natural and man-made disasters. Hence, a good strategy must prepare you for a ?worse-case scenario? that is beyond our control.
The effectiveness of any strategy can only be proven after a numerous trades. You must give a strategy time to prove itself. Often, after one failed attempt, many give up. Do not look at short term losses. Persevere, have faith in your strategy and gain control in the market.
4. Be Responsible for Your Trade
Ordinary traders rely heavily on other peoples? advice instead of personal judgment, reproaching others when the stock price depreciates. A successful trader however, will reflect on his actions instead of reproaching others for his loss. It is more crucial to ask if he has followed the trading rules. If he has then subsequent trades should be successful.
An efficient trading strategy takes into consideration all the possible outcomes and it keeps a trader on the alert and confident ? not easily swayed by opinions. The only way to be accountable for your trade is to abide by the trading strategy so every move is rational and defined.
In the event of a mistake, or failure to abide by the rules, be prompt to admit your mistake. Cut loss, and learn from your experience. Avoid committing same mistakes again. Taking responsibility for your actions will make you a successful trader.
5. Play the Game Without Being Overly Concerned About Profit and Loss
All outstanding traders share one thing in common: they are only concerned about the rules of the game and not about specific gain or loss. Any trader who is overly concerned about their capital will experience difficulties executing stop loss when the price depreciates or taking profit at the appropriate time. However if you are able to treat the stock market as a financial game and play by the rules, your wealth will automatically be taken care of.
6. Be Certain of the Risk in any Investment
A successful trader knows his risk exposure at his fingertips. Without proper risk management, a trading strategy is never complete.
In this financial game, loss is an inevitable outcome, it cannot be eliminated but it can be minimized. To do that, you should do your homework: anticipate the risk involved and minimize the loss. To keep losses to a minimum, one has to be assertive when the price reaches its stop loss point. A stop loss point is the amount that you are prepared to lose, in the event things take a bad turn. With proper risk management, you will be able to recuperate your losses easily.
7. Manage Your Emotions Well
In the trading arena, you are bound to experience emotional upheavals. This will affect the objectivity of your judgment. Hence it is vital to strike a balance between your emotion and judgment. When a stock price appreciates, never be overly confident. Do no automatically add to your position or invest more. Instead calculate the risk involved before adding to your position. Else, if outcome is unfavorable, losses might be too severe. Conversely when price depreciates, do not be overly discouraged and give up. You might miss out on other potential stocks.
If the trading system is followed, you should be confident in your trade. It might seem rather dull as you just need to follow the rules. However, in an event that your trading takes a turn and sends your heart racing, it might be an indication that you have deviated from the strategy!
Always keep in mind that the success of each trade is determined by your ability to control your emotions. Not so much being able to predict the market trend. Any form of emotion - fear, greed, nervousness, desire, anxiety, affects the decision you make.
Managing your emotions is tantamount to your success in the stock market.
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Manikamaniko.
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21-Aug-2007 10:37
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Ten4one... :) Good post, Sir... |
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Manikamaniko.
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21-Aug-2007 10:35
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A market downtrend is only obvious after the event... |
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ten4one
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21-Aug-2007 09:33
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After a storm the sea looks calmer (infact much calmer) than usual, but just beneath the calm surface there're still 'debris' to be cleared before it is plain sailing again. So, Livermore please tell your friend not to lie on the 'nice cushion' and fall asleep. In A Global Economy, liquidity moves with just a click of the mouse! I've no doubt that Funds must come back in again....where else could be better and safer than Singapore. Cheers! |
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Livermore
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20-Aug-2007 21:59
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I have a friend and he has been accumulating shares on recent market crash on dips. One good thing when you accumulate on dips and you are right, you have that "nice cushion" when the share price moves up. Ok, if you wish to accumulate on dips, do it in nimble lots. |
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ten4one
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20-Aug-2007 21:44
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Agree with Livermore that Avg Up is better than Avg Down simply 'cos if you 'mis-a-step' and slip, the former has more room to 'fall-back' and still profitable (but less) while the latter, if you miss one step down, the fall could be 'nasty' and 'repair' cost would be huge. I too prefer to Avg Up to Avg Down. But sometimes, I do go for the latter and take the risks if I see the opportunity of good rewards. My sincere advice is still 'Don't do it unless you're very sure of what you're doing'! At least, when you're wrong you know why you're wrong. Cheers! |
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Livermore
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20-Aug-2007 21:10
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I am not against TA. In fact I am already thinking of learning it and a mistake on my part to overlook how useful it can be. But with no TA skills, one can use simple reasoning. |
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Livermore
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20-Aug-2007 21:06
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It is better to average up when you invest or trade in margin. But sometimes one can use some reasoning if one wish to average down. Tai Sin was at 37c. It is extremely unlikely you will lose money buying 10 lots at 37c, 10 lots at 27c and 10 lots at 7c (of course unlikely to go to that price). If you wish to buy 50 lots, you have 20 more "bullets" to fire. But normally I buy LESS if I average down and buy MORE in steps when I average up. Don't keep averaging up on a stock and give yourself a price range then stop. Most people like to buy low sell high. I like to buy high and sell higher:) |
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20-Aug-2007 15:49
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Wow! I enjoy reading some of the long posting here cause it's original with flesh & blood! Averaging down is not for traders, only suitable for long term investors whom understand its holding well enough to accumulate during market correction. Think about the reverse...ie to average-up during an market uptrend usually adopted by margin traders. Is it safer? Any comments? |
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left_bug
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20-Aug-2007 14:51
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I agree with ten4one; averaging down is not foe average trader. When Charter Semi was in its hey day, should you averaging down when it starts to fall. Come on you would need a lot of money to do that. For average trader, averaging down on penny stocks are feasible. If a company's stock price falls continuously, it usually means company is not doing well. When would you put your money on company that is reporting losses? Averaging down on company that is doing good. But one has to weight its worthiness. Maybe its just better to invest some other company. Back in early 2000, I bought Lebroy at 30 some cents. When Lebroy starts to fall I sold it at a loss, if I averaging down and hold on, I could have made a fortune. Also I bought Sunway at some 30 cents, I sold it when a small profit was available. If I hold on and averaging down, when can I get my money back. Some penny stocks do shoot it way up but only a fraction of stock will achieve that. And how would a average trader to know that? It's just no way. |
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Manikamaniko.
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20-Aug-2007 14:45
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ten4one... :) I totally agree with you... |
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ten4one
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20-Aug-2007 13:38
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Let's come back to the orginal subject matter : Avg Down good or foolish? Avg down is good if you've the knowledge and experience. Some fundamental requirements : 1) Deep pockets 2) Knowledge of the Company's fundamentals 3) Skillful in some technical indicators like RSI, MACD, Stochastics etc... to cfm overbgt or oversold. 4) Must have the guts to stay the course and stick to your guns (ie you must really know the Company that you avg-down) 5) The Company must be easily liquidable in everyday trades. Therefore, blue chips are good example. 6) When the tides turn, know how to dispose your holdings and never be blinded by the 'lovely' turn of tides. It will be foolish if you think Avg down is similar to accumulation! Just my views. Cheers! |
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stevento
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20-Aug-2007 08:40
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Just trying to answer these questions as simple as possible. Let's see whether I am able to do so. Comfort Level: The adversity to risk from low risk, medium risk to high risk. Know yourself. Question 1. How much are you willing to, or can afford to, lose in the near future in order to win big in the long term? Lose all to gain btw 30% to 150% capital gain or more. Question 2. How do you define short-term, mid-term, and long-term for your stock positions? Short Term: From day 1 to < 3years. If gain is 30% then annual return is about 10%-inflation Medium Term: Btw 3 to 5 years. If gain is 30% then annual return is about 6%-inflation Long Term: More than 5 years. If gain is 30% then annual return is about 3%(10 yrs)-inflation Question 3. What affirms one's convictions that market conditions will allow the averaged-down stock to win big eventually? Economic cycles- Recession, Growth and Peak Seemingly straightforward questions with no straightforward answers... I hope to make this as simple as possible. Do your homework, read annual reports, company profile, know about world economy, TA, practice self discipline in trading etc. Good luck. |
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CWQuah
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It all boils down to personal comfort zones in the management of money vs time... 1. How much are you willing to, or can afford to, lose in the near future in order to win big in the long term? 2. How do you define short-term, mid-term, and long-term for your stock positions? 3. What affirms one's convictions that market conditions will allow the averaged-down stock to win big eventually? Seemingly straightforward questions with no straightforward answers... |
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left_bug
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My sentiment is leaning with elfin. Averaging down is really not a good strategy. December 2004 I bought East Tech at 0.25. It was pretty good price to buy, I told myself. So it goes up 0.3 and gave me good dividend. Beginning of 2005 East Tech starts to go downward because business has gone bad. But I hold on and believe the management will turn it around. This is a stupid mistake and this is the second time I hold on to a stock when a company is reporting losses. In August 2005, East Tech reaches all time low of 0.195 so I averaging down. Again the company is still restructuring and the stock is making all time low everyday till 0.075. Beginning of 2007 the bull was running strong and East tech began to show signs of improvement so I averaging down at 0.12. June 2007 East Tech began its up-trend. I sold half at 0.155. Then one day East Tech's volume was high and price goes up sharply. So I queue at 0.21 and I told myself this is quite far fetch but it went through. I was amazed and thank God for it. Not only I got to sell all my East Tech stocks and I also made a small profit. The sharp increase of volume was crazy and SGX send a query to East Tech to clarify this high volume trading. East Tech reply don?t know. So averaging down works? Yeah, in this case. But look at the time frame. It takes me two and half years to pull it off and during that time frame there were so many stocks I could buy that would give me 100% return. STATS, I swallow 45% loss and bought Eucon and with East Tech, I averaging down. I came out alive with both. If I cut loss at an earlier time with both incident and bought something else, my time frame of recovery will be shorter and I would not miss the Bull Run. Now with these sub-prime crises, I am in a dilemma again. The opening on Monday must be good. My livelihood depends on it. These are my experiences and its no way I am gonna tell you which one is good or bad. That is for you to decide. The stock market is really a dangerous place to invest. One must come prepared and must be keen to pick up news about the economy, politics, market trend, and etc. Couple weeks ago, the economist ran an article on US sub-prime loan problem. If you pick up the news and holding finance stocks, you should have sold it all. But heck, I don?t even know and understand what?s sub-prime loan and who would have knew US sub-prime woes could create such havoc all over the world. Some news is just hard to pick up and Samsung's slogan without the not. ?With stock, its hard to imagine.? Although I am have been trading since 2000 but I am only a beginner. Couple weeks ago, some guy lost quite a few money with contra play. KiLrOy made a really decent advise begins like this ?Must read lah else how else can you increase your knowledge and differentiate between what is trade management stop and risk management stop and that pyramiding or average down is usually confused with money management?.? Then it hits me; I don?t understand the stock market at all. So I went to the library try to borrow that book KiLrOy recommended and some other book recommended by another person but it did not prevail, one is reference and the other is on loan. So I go investopedia.com to do my reading. It?s a good place to start. Anyway, I am writing this last paragraph just to show my appreciation to KiLrOy. Thanks KiLrOy. |
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Manikamaniko.
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19-Aug-2007 20:50
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My dear Elfin... :) Those were brilliant points !... |
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elfinchilde
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leftbug, just my own opinion here: perhaps the idea that one sells "too early" is a fallacy. put it this way: at that pt in time, could you have known the stock would hit 30c? what if it reversed, the way your ST Assem did, and dropped back down again? the fact is, no one can predict the market 100%. Sure, one regrets selling 'too early' (i know i do!), but then, hindsight is always perfect. what we're emotively rue-ing, is the 'loss' of profit. but that loss is not real, because the profit was never guaranteed. what is real, instead, is what profit you have locked in. don't bother with averaging down. cut loss and run. a portfolio is exactly that, a portfolio. ie, not just a single stock. so if you say equal division of funds and risk, and have 10 stocks, you don't need all 10 to be winners. you can afford to lose 3 and gain on 7, and your portfolio is still positive. elf cuts at 5% of drop from peak, lower band of ave daily trading range. stevento, agree with you. will add in one point: everyone says buy low sell high. but reality's not so simple. because there is, also, the qualification of what is considered 'high', and what is considered 'low'. in the markets, things are relative, not absolute. what price is considered 'low' in a bull market may very well be thought of as 'high' in a bear. and it is the ability of the investor to distinguish this qualifier which determines an investor's success or failure. |
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stevento
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19-Aug-2007 16:24
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Hi Left_bug, Thanks for sharing with us your woes in your investment journey. I agree with you. Whatever you do, you need to do your research on the company before you jump into the bandwagon. Information are aplenty eg SGX on the the annual reports. Read the balance sheet, the company management and the potential of the product. Keep everything simple. Buy Low and sell high. Market timing or the economic cycles are important criteria to take note. I have kept it simple all my life. Investment is a DISCIPLINE. Invest in Unit trusts and stocks in a downturn. Don't let the Insurance agents, financial planners to sell you unit trusts in a bull run. (like a couple of years ago and until this year still selling). The common term used by them is Long Term investment. What if you have bought low? You could have bought more with the same amount of money as compared to a rising market. In a good time, you can continue to take profit like this year. Sell into the market. All the best for your trading this year. I hope everyone is able to make some money in this mad market. I am out of it until early Nov. I will bid my time for an opportunity. God bless |
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left_bug
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19-Aug-2007 15:49
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Long time ago I bought ST Assembly at 2.8. The price was all time low back then. This stock shot up to 10 dollars. I thought I made the right decision. Well, it was a wrong decision. It continued its downtrend and I just sit and watch it go down. Then, finally, after a year or so, ST Assembly goes up and went above 3 dollars. Man I should have buy some when it was low I said to myself. I hold on to this stock and hope it will go up further more. Then, it just went down and hit another all time low, 80 some cents. I still did not buy. Then it starts to climb up again and I pick it up at 2 dollars. This time I told myself I would sell it when it reaches to 3. And you know what, it never did get there ever. Investing ST Assembly was wrong in the first place. After dot com crash, we came to realize its just plain dumb to invest unproven company with great prospect and how great Warren Buffet is. Mr. Buffet said he does not invest in something he does not understand. It does not mean this Nebraskan does not understand tech. company?s nature of business. He probably knows it pretty well. Maybe after reading the annual report, he just does not understand how this new nature of business is going to make money. Mr. Buffet is no venture capitalist but a down to earth investor. And I believe down to earth is the key when we are investing stock. Charter Semi is even a worst bet than STATS and I still don?t know how can it go up to 19 dollars. It?s just scary now you think about it. Charter Semi is stuck in the middle. It can?t go high end with those powerful Taiwanese foundries, TSMC and UMC, and it also unable to go low end with Chinese and Malaysian firms. Singapore lured TSMC and UMC to set up foundries here. Why? And STATS competitors in Singapore are UTAC and Amkor. I don?t think those two powerful Taiwanese firms, ASX and Siliconware, have operation here. STATS bought Chippac to strengthen itself in this industry. Anyway, I think STATS is in a better position than before. Investing tech. companies is risky and need a lot of time and energy to study. What drives semiconductor industry so great? It?s someone in the Bell Lab found something very cheap and easy to find that could conduct in high temperature, which is called semiconductor in that chart we came across in chemistry class, and silicon belongs to that family. This revolutionizes the world and vacuum tube makers were vacuumed out. So one day some smart dude in some sort of a lab is going to find something better than silicon. Then out it goes semiconductor industry. When you start to buy stocks, people tell you to go diversify. Companies also need to diversify business to grow and make money. That?s why I like UMC better than TSMC. Although TSMC is more advance and more able than UMC but I believe UMC is more diversifying than TSMC. Talk about diversity. Creative is trying to be diversify. So they jump into PC and PC peripherals, which turn out a failure. I mean Creative is in sound card business and wouldn?t it be more attractive to tell your customer, hey I got some state of the art speaker to go along with your state of the art sound card. Now they do have speakers but it?s too late. When you think about computer speakers, Altec Lansing came to mind. Creative is really in a bad position. Those powerful Taiwanese motherboard makers kill off Creative?s low-end sound card business. Actually, they killed off a lot business. When you go pick up a motherboard, it now has build in stuff, sound, modem, Ethernet, graphics, and etc. I mean how can the world let these Taiwanese motherboard makers take up such a big chunk of market share. It?s just plain scary. I don?t think AMD was much a threat to Intel because maybe one day these motherboard maker will tell you, hey I got this build in CPU in my motherboard and of course its not as powerful as Intel but don?t worry I got a spot for Intel CPU if you feel my CPU is not good enough. So now when you go down to Sim Lim, you can find Intel?s motherboards sitting along with Taiwanese boards. Intel does not brag about it and their CPUs still fits with other boards. What can Creative do? Sorry about my personal opinions. If you think my opinions are b.s. by all means, go invest in Charter, STATS, and creative. It?s your money. Why should you be persuaded by my words? My point is research and study the company you want to invest. Don?t buy blindly. Now get back to my story. When STATS drops down again, I told myself I am not going endure this anymore. I sold it at 1.08 and that?s 45% loss not including inflation. I use the money to buy Eucon at 0.105 because broker recommends it. After I bought it, it fell down to 0.085. I hold on because the company is still in healthy state. So it starts to climb up and I stay with it up to 0.215 but I sold it too early. It went across to 0.3 afterwards. This is why TA is important. To me average down is not easy. When is the best time and price to average down? This I really don?t know. I have written too much. I?ll continue next time. |
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