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ten4one
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26-Dec-2007 15:37
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The PE ratio is sometimes very misleading due to the Market Forces which could 'unbalance' the demand and supply of the equation. As the share px is determined by the supply and demand. Any changes in these 2 forces could set the share px in one direction or the other. Another factor that could also affect the PE is share buy back by Company which 'artificially' changes the EPS. Therefore, any investors would be wise not to take the PE ratio at the face value! Cheers! |
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ltvalue
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25-Dec-2007 21:08
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i totally agree that the E in PE ratio can be totally misleading as management might have 'managed' the earnings or that the earnings as reported in last financial year is unsustainable. Perhaps for novince investor we could simply take the average of past 5 - 7 years earnings to arrive at a 'normal' earnings. With that we it may seem that many local property stocks that are sporting low teens to mid teens may actually have a PE of way above 20. |
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walker
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25-Dec-2007 11:17
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The P/E ratio (price-to-earnings ratio) of a stock (also called its "earnings multiple", or simply "multiple", "P/E", or "PE") is a measure of the price paid for a share relative to the income or profit earned by the firm per share.[citation needed] A higher P/E ratio means that investors are paying more for each unit of income. It is a valuation ratio included in other financial ratios. The reciprocal of the P/E ratio is known as the earnings yield[1]. The price per share (numerator) is the market price of a single share of the stock. The earnings per share (denominator) is the net income of the company for the most recent 12 month period, divided by number of shares outstanding. The earnings per share (EPS) used can also be the "diluted EPS" or the "comprehensive EPS". For example, if stock A is trading at $24 and the earnings per share for the most recent 12 month period is $3, then stock A has a P/E ratio of 24/3 or 8. Put another way, the purchaser of stock A is paying $8 for every dollar of earnings. Companies with losses (negative earnings) or no profit have an undefined P/E ratio (usually shown as Not applicable or "N/A"); sometimes, however, a negative P/E ratio may be shown. By comparing price and earnings per share for a company, one can analyze the market's stock valuation of a company and its shares relative to the income the company is actually generating.[citation needed] Investors can use the P/E ratio to compare the value of stocks: if one stock has a P/E twice that of another stock, all things being equal, it is a less attractive investment. Companies are rarely equal, however, and comparisons between industries, countries, and time periods may be misleading. Check out this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PE_ratio |
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tatrader
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20-Dec-2007 23:16
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Great post. However, little miss, Ratios are only part of the valuation aspect of establishing the value of a company. In value investing, the non quantitive aspects, Moats, competent management etc also plays an important role in establishing the quality of an investment. Coz even Warrent Buffet is willing to pay a higher price to own a good business. | ||||
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ltvalue
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20-Dec-2007 00:13
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The article posted by hogenterprise is fantastic. It provides smaller investors to 'pick' good companies (high ROE) at low price (low PE) I think that on top of high ROE and high Earnings yields, we should also screen for debt level. The use of high debt may artifically boost ROE, and lower PE. Imagine a company issue debt for the sole purpose of retiring shares, with the number of shares outstanding reduced, EPS will increase, thus reducing PE all other things being equal. Will a screen for low Debt to Equity ratio be sufficient to screen out these high leverage companies? |
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hogenterprise
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12-Dec-2007 11:00
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PE = share price / EPS = mkt cap / net profit = (mkt cap/equity) / (net profit /equity) = PTB / ROE = 1 / earning yield Dividing the former by the latter gives us EPS divided by price per share, which is earnings yield. So stocks with high ROE/PTB are also those with high earnings yield.
And we could go one step further. Earnings yield is the inverse of price-earnings (PE) ratio. So stocks with high earnings yield are also low PE stocks.
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ten4one
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12-Dec-2007 09:54
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Yes most widely use and also very often misunderstood and abused! Cheers! | ||||
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Farmer
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11-Dec-2007 10:59
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Let's return to the main subject of +ve PE and -ve PE ratio. My understanding as a layman is that the former indicate the projected time frame(years + months) an investor can expect to earn back its capital provided the company maintain its current profit margin without taking into consideration the inflation. -ve PE is just the opposite, it will wrap up an investor's capital over the same projected period should his invested company continue to stay in the red with that same amount of losses. PE is still widely use as of today by investors world wide since it last invented by Benjamin Graham the father of value investing. However, investor should calculate its ratio base on timely company's Q. result and better still projected one in order to stay ahead of the general market. |
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Pinnacle
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11-Dec-2007 08:41
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CAGR is important to determine how fast is the company is growing or growing at all. P/B ratio is to determine whether the share price is too expensive comapred to their book value. How high these figures are to be expensive differ sectors to sectors. Hence, I agree with ten4one that the easiest way is to compare among same trades or sector. |
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ten4one
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11-Dec-2007 05:56
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It is very true that using PE alone is not enough; but if you must then it is better to compare the Company with that of the same trades or sector. It is important to note that PE ratio could be 'doctored' to look good by 'fanciful' Accountants within the rules of the 'game'! Cheers! A good alternative is to use the Cash Flows method. |
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shplayer
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10-Dec-2007 21:52
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Growth in EPS alone does reveal the value of a stock. One has to also consider the share price. So, P/E is (Share Price)/EPS. P/E is actually an indication of ROI. Say, a stock (Co.A)priced @ P/E 15X and this stock has consistent annual earnings, but zero growth, then the ROI is effectively 6.7% (1/15 x 100%) or you get your return on investment in 15 years In valuation of a stock, one should also consider the growth potential. Now, compare a company (Co. B) with say 20% compounded growth and trading at a P/E of 15X, it has an ROI of approx 7 yrs 7 mths or 13.2%. Thus, Co.B offers better valuation than Co.A Of course there are many other factors involved in investment decisions. |
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tanglinboy
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10-Dec-2007 20:58
Yells: "hello!" |
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It is possible. PE ratio = price / earnings If company is losing money, then earnings is negative so PE ratio is negative. |
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simck001
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10-Dec-2007 20:53
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If one goes to the "Lowest P/E" posted in ShareJunction's Home Page, one would see many negative P/E ratio. Can anyone explain that? Please | ||||
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singaporegal
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10-Dec-2007 20:32
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I'm not too much into FA but one good other good indicator is EPS. A company with growing year on year EPS is probably doing well. | ||||
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ten4one
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10-Dec-2007 16:58
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I think you got your PE definition wrong and there is no -ve PE.........maybe infinity PE. That means you don't have to pay to get 1$ worth of the share or the Company have to pay you to buy their shares...hahaha. Cheers! | ||||
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littlemiss
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09-Dec-2007 20:13
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As far as my understanding goes, P/E ratio is the preferred ratio to use when contemplating the feasibility of buying a stock (or for you purists out there, a part of a business :P). But can other ratios work just as well? And if the P/E ratio is an indication of how many years an investor can expect to wait before earning a return, then what's the meaning behind a negative P/E ratio? |
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