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soloman
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26-Aug-2007 21:15
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thats the trouble with public when trouble call govt in like today housing agent - now want regulation |
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stevento
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26-Aug-2007 20:44
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like DBS, they dont announce it earlier. Now then say, what can the central bank do? :< |
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tanglinboy
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25-Aug-2007 13:46
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No choice lah... if the banks are slow to declare their exposure, the central bank also cannot react accordingly. |
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Pinnacle
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24-Aug-2007 18:04
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Our central bank now then gan jeong... slow reaction. SINGAPORE, Aug 24 (Reuters) - Singapore's central bank said on Friday that it would continue to look at financial institutions' exposure to collateralised debt obligations and urged banks to stress test their holdings. The comments by the Monetary Authority of Singapore come after Singapore's DBS Group Holdings "MAS continues to monitor the development of the U.S. subprime market and the financial institutions' exposure to this sector as part of our market surveillance process," the central bank said in an email to Reuters. "We also continue to remind (financial institutions) to factor in the current environment into their regular stress testing and take appropriate action where necessary." DBS on Friday disclosed S$2.4 billion ($1.6 billion) worth of CDO holdings -- nearly double the S$1.3 billion direct exposure it initially declared. |
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skeleton
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24-Aug-2007 16:25
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Top brains with High Talent must make Huge mistake so to qualify their Top status mah.... Just remember to bring along your EZ Link card next time when vsisiting any banks cos Gantries will be erected at their doorways to recoup back the losses or mistakes they made....from us. |
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Pinnacle
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24-Aug-2007 16:17
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I believe they are taking the risk for the high return. But they lost this time. Just that not sure whether they packaged it into certain funds and selling it to us... |
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24-Aug-2007 16:10
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what happen to our talent in uob and dbs, they are so blur to go into subprime loan. |
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Pinnacle
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24-Aug-2007 15:55
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HONG KONG, Aug 24 (Reuters) - Concern over potential losses linked to the U.S . subprime mortgage crisis have seen a number of Asian firms state the extent of their exposure, which is mostly through holdings of structured products such as collateralised debt obligations (CDOs) and asset-backed securities (ABS). Below is a list of the companies and fund managers in the Asia-Pacific region that have reported being affected by the U.S. subprime meltdown or the ensuing turmoil in global credit markets. Aug 24 DBS GROUP HOLDINGS <DBSM.SI> Singapore-based DBS, Southeast Asia's biggest bank, confirmed it has $1.6 billion in CDO holdings -- nearly double the direct exposure it previously declared. [ID:nSIN9252] Aug 23 BANK OF CHINA <3988.HK> and BOC HONG KONG <2388.HK> State-lender Bank of China and its Hong Kong subsidiary, BOC Hong Kong, reported exposure of $9.65 billion and $1.6 billion, respectively, to U.S. subprime mortgage-related assets, sending shares in both firms lower. [ID:nHKG273224] INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL BANK OF CHINA <1398.HK> Beijing-controlled ICBC, the world's largest lender by market value, said it holds $1.23 billion in mortgage-backed securities. [ID:nHKG166060] Aug 16 RAMS HOME LOANS GROUP <RHG.AX> Shares in Australian mortgage lender RAMS Home Loans Group Ltd plunged 60 percent after it failed to refinance $5 billion in debt due to a credit squeeze in the United States. The stock closed down 36 percent. [ID:nSYD33571] Aug 15 BASIS CAPITAL Australian hedge fund Basis Capital said that losses at one of its funds may exceed 80 percent because of further credit deterioration, extending a July warning that some investors could receive less than 50 cents to the dollar. [ID:nSYD23615] Aug 14 SUMITOMO MITSUI FINANCIAL GROUP INC < 8316.T> Japan's No. 3 bank said it booked a loss of "billions of yen" in the April-June quarter through its sale of 350 billion yen (US$2.99 billion) worth of mortgage-backed securities. [ID:nT165953] MITSUBISHI UFJ FINANCIAL GROUP <8306.T> Japan's Mitsubishi UFJ, the world's biggest bank by assets, said it booked an appraisal loss of 5 billion yen on investments related to the subprime loan market. It said its outstanding balance of investment in such products was 280 billion yen as of July. [ID:nT142334] RAMS HOME LOANS GROUP LTD <RHG.AX> Australian mortgage lender RAMS said its earnings could be hit if global credit markets remain volatile, sending its shares as much as 32 percent lower. [ID:nSYD306996] Aug 8 SHINSEI BANK LTD <8303.T> Japan's Shinsei Bank said it wrote down $29 million in assets due to problems in the U.S. housing loan market and that its total exposure to the market was less than $500 million. Aug 7 UNITED OVERSEAS BANK <UOBH.SI> Singapore's second-biggest lender said is made some provisions for its exposure to collateralised debt obligations (CDO). The bank said it had total CDO investments of S$392 million and that provisions of S$34 million had been made as of end June. Further mark-to-market losses of S$15 million are expected as at end July, it said. [ID:nSGC000802] For a list of Singapore banks' exposure to the CDO market, click on [ID:nSIN220059] Aug 3 MITSUBISHI UFJ FINANCIAL GROUP Japan's biggest lender, the most exposed of the country's three top banks to the U.S. subprime market, said it had about 300 billion yen in related instruments, mainly asset-backed securities, as of mid-July. [ID:nHKG34559] SHIN KONG FINANCIAL < 2888.TW> The company, which operates Taiwan's second-biggest life insurer, said about one-third of its T$10.53 billion (US$32 million) in asset-backed securities (ABS) holdings are related to U.S . subprime mortgage products. [ID:nTP41073] Aug 2 TAIWAN LIFE INSURANCE <2833.TW> The company said it posted a T$428 million loss due to an investment in the Bear Stearns < BSC.N> High Grade Credit Strategies Fund. [ID:nTP348015] Aug 1 MACQUARIE BANK <MBL.AX> Australia's biggest investment bank said retail investors in two of its of debt funds face losses of up to 25 percent. It said the funds had invested in securitised loans and had no direct exposure to U.S. subprime mortgages. [ID:nSYD14012] July 26 ABSOLUTE CAPITAL Australian hedge fund manager Absolute Capital, half-owned by ABN AMRO <AAH.AS>, suspended withdrawals in two funds with a combined A$200 million (US$164.7 million) in assets because of difficulty offloading investments in CDOs. [ID:nSP205623] July 25 NOMURA HOLDINGS <8604.T> Japan's biggest brokerage said it may pull out of the U.S. mortgage market and booked a quarterly loss of 34.3 billion yen at its U.S. unit, on top of a 39.3 billion yen deficit in the previous quarter. [ID:nT251973] July 19 BASIS CAPITAL Australian hedge fund Basis Capital warned investors in the $2 billion hedge fund they may get only half their money back and appointed accountants to manage the sale of assets after heavy losses in the U.S. subprime mortgage market, according to media reports. [ID:nSYD108631] |
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bencom2001
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21-Aug-2007 21:37
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There are speculating that Billionaire investor Warren Buffett may buy parts of beleaguered mortgage lender Countrywide Financial Corp (according to The Wall Street Journal.) Buffett told TV network CNBC last week that the worsening credit and housing markets may present some "real" investment opportunities. Warren Buffett maybe the person restore the credibility. Credit markets will get back to normal, as there is a lot of money that needs to find a home. Time to look stock buy ... Start to think of coming busy Y2008 |
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timewatch
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20-Aug-2007 12:04
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Very true Pinnacle, the housing agents are playing a dirty game. how long is this going to go on no idea, pity the people who are buying houses now,even rental gone so high. |
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Pinnacle
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20-Aug-2007 11:56
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Sounds familiar? Just like how our housing agents try to blow the housing valuation up to get more CPF $$$ out. CORRUPTION
Then there?s the scam in which brokers arrange for a buyer to offer far more than current market value for a house. A crooked appraiser signs off on the price, and a complicit mortgage broker arranges the loan. The parties split the overpayment, and the new owner soon stops making payments, forcing the bank to repossess the house. Meanwhile, the inflated sale price raises comparables for the entire neighborhood. More widespread is the simple browbeating of appraisers to ?hit the number? on sales contracts. Ninety percent of the appraisers in a 2006 national survey said they had experienced threats, nonpayment of fees, and other forms of coercion. Many said they had lost business by refusing to play the game. Then, of course, there?s the inevitable collusion and self-dealing between the investment banks serving the subprime lenders and the analysts covering their stocks. UBS and Bear Stearns, for instance, were recently served subpoenas by the state of Massachusetts related to their analysts? upbeat reports on subprime lenders (profitable customers of the firms? investment banking arms) as those lenders were sliding into insolvency. Shocking! And these shenanigans represent the easy, early corruption. If history is any guide, the really juicy stuff is no doubt still waiting to be uncovered. History teaches that easy money corrupts, and on this count, subprime has lived up to the lofty standards set by the junk bond and tech stock bubbles. Liar loans involve a lot of lying, of course, which in its most common form works like this: An independent mortgage broker takes an application from a borrower of dubious means and calculates ahead of time what income level an underwriter such as New Century would require to make the loan. The broker then instructs the borrower to claim the required income or simply fills in the blank himself. The underwriter winks at this obvious deception because it is merely passing the loan on to the packager, who also winks because the packager is merely processing the loans into bonds and selling them to Asian or European pension funds. The result is a daisy chain of fraud and negligence. One recent study found that 60 percent of stated-income loans were exaggerated by at least 50 percent. |
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Pinnacle
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20-Aug-2007 11:47
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Interesting articule to share here. BAILOUTS AND REGULATIONSLike all bursting bubbles, subprime?s collapse has panicked those whose job it is to ?do something.? Mortgage lenders and investment banks have an obvious stake in containing the damage. And U.S. federal and state governments fear an army of dispossessed former homeowners roaming the countryside and voting for change. So, the solutions are flying fast and furious. Freddie Mac is offering to buy US$20 billion in subprime mortgages, although what it intends to do with them is unclear. Bear Stearns? EMC Mortgage has created a ?Mod Squad? loan-workout team that travels the country helping borrowers avoid default. And Washington Mutual has pledged US$2 billion to help its subprime borrowers refinance into fixed-rate loans. More banks are announcing similar programs daily. At the state level, Ohio is offering to refinance subprime ARMs with 30-year fixed-rate loans, and in mid-May, Florida?s legislature was debating various homeowner tax breaks. Regulators, meanwhile, are pressuring lenders to offer generous workout terms to borrowers. In a joint statement, agencies charged with overseeing banks noted that ?existing regulatory guidance and accounting standards do not require immediate foreclosure on homes when borrowers fall behind on payments.? And, of course, now that the horse has wandered onto the nearby freeway, the U.S. Congress is pressuring regulators to close the barn door. In April, Senator Charles Schumer (D, NY) threatened new banking rules that would ?ensure borrowers can repay loans and hold mortgage originators accountable? and proposed giving nonprofit groups federal money to help homeowners refinance. Will any of this work? If the S&L bailout of the early 1990s is a reliable model, socializing subprime risk will make it easier to bear or at least hide the true costs. But the proposed regulations are unlikely to have much effect?first, because the market is already imposing the previously missing discipline and, second, because most of the egregious lending was done by entities not under regulatory purview. ?There aren?t any regulatory fires to put out because most of the risk is held by nonbanks; the regulators really can?t do anything about it,? says Whalen. But one piece of legislation that might have an impact is Ohio Senate Bill 185, which would prevent certain subprime mortgages originated in that state by nonbank entities from being included in securitization pools. In response, Wells Fargo quickly discontinued its stated income/limited documentation wholesale loan programs in Ohio. ?If other states pass similar legislation,? says Zelman, ?this could be a major event.? |
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cyjjerry85
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19-Aug-2007 21:28
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You see about this tug of war clearly between the FA (fundamentals) and TA (technicals) people... The longer term ones will see as "Hey good fundamentals, why not hop onto this cheap sale now! And I am confident to see the company grow with profits over a long period of time!" Then the shorter term ones will say "Hey look at the technical charts now...we still need some confirmation before jumping in and confirm the uptrending market/stock" |
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winsontkl
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19-Aug-2007 21:23
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Hey seems like everyone is missing the forest for the tree. No doubt the sub-prime loan is the triggering point, have any one wonders why the severe impact???? Clearly, the interest rate has gone up in th US over the years, but what is worse is the property bubble which has blew the situation out of proportion. Read somewhere from a book an hedge fund had forecast in 2005 that property bubble will lead to equity downfall, but as the build up in property is slow, not able to pinpoint when, sign of the breakdown now????? The impact is severe as the inflation is on product ie. property which is not productive to the economy at all... in fact, unlike dot-com era, the financial sectors will be greatly impaired by this activities. Anyone has opinion on the above....... care to comments. |
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Pension
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19-Aug-2007 14:44
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few years ago, dotcom bubble, then carry trade, then sub prime and next will be inflation bubble in china. Trade with care. |
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winsontkl
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18-Aug-2007 18:44
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Hey, do trade with care, somehow find this rather strange that Central Bank has to come to the aid of market by pumping billions of dollar and finally cut the interest rate......is the "black hole" so substantial to warrant that???? WHY the FALLOUT????? Well, looking in perspective, economy all over the world is closely interlinked and vice versa. With the aid of IT, information became readily available. This enhance financial instruments or simply make it more complex for our understanding, but one thing for sure is that it is closely intertwine together. Hence, as long as one factor fell out of Sync (eg. Sub-prime Loan) with the rest, the triggering effect is unimagineable. Like dominoe effects, from a contained issue within US, it is hitting gloablly badly, almost contagion effects!!!! Sube-Prime Loan to Credit Crunched to Investment Funds Redemption to Margin Call to????? (Possibilities of Carry Trade in JPY) etc. Frightening!!! Not to sound bearish, only my personal assumption / perception and I may read the market wrong. Waiting for the clearer view of the whole picture before accumulating eventhough now look attractive and tempting. Anyway, trade with care and happy hunting. |
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bencom2001
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18-Aug-2007 17:43
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Somehow restore the credibility. Hopefully no new major surprises and get back to normal markets. |
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hmm3101
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18-Aug-2007 16:12
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agreed..b very very careful..interest rate down has no effect on SGX which has low inflation..friday last hour trades rise are very artificial...but, friday morning new low will result more force selling soon due margin call....hope i m wrong. |
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dukkha
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18-Aug-2007 15:27
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is not over yet,be very very careful. |
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bencom2001
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18-Aug-2007 14:21
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The Panic of 1907 was solved by the credibility of one man, J. P. Morgan, who stepped in and provided liquidity.. The Panic of 2007 ,a lot of central banks in the world are providing liquidity. But it is not mere liquidity that is needed. |
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