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boon88288 Member	15-Oct-2013 09:48        boon88288 About Contact  Quote this Post!
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novice_trader Elite	12-Oct-2013 11:04        novice_trader About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Agree 101% bro... Contra is one of the seven deadly sin... I have live by contra and died by contra. I wish I can stop, but I can't and I'm just controlling myself... CFD better, got $$$ play, no $$$ no play... I have nv lost so much in trading for years... Contra I lost the most... Hope everybody is fine and Huat big big always. Take care to bro sofarsogood.... FearValueGreed      ( Date: 12-Oct-2013 10:30) Posted: From my experience contra is worse than margin, CFD, Bank loan, cover warrant because time is always not on yr side. U are always held ransom when T+5 comes and know at yr door. In fact lost the most compared to using other tools. So decided t9 quit and use only what cash I hv to buy stocks after setting aside for rainy days which I obediently let my wife keep it so that she allows me to use my "free cash flow". Bo bian, once a stock player always will be. So got to inplace some circuit breakrs myself. Guess wat I lost 200k in last financial crsis before but earn back now and still standin but c*** never die. Lot of lesson learnt that cannot be read from books or other pple experience. So dun worry , ask yr wife if she still love you. If yes , then ho sei liao. Guess u have to earn back their trust and be a good dad good husband and good son and a good share junction member. Just to add, recently just lost 70k in a single stroke day because hand itchy and my broker very generous , keep asking if I need to up my trading limit. Na bay u see , seven sins of greed is back. Now I kuai kuai face the wall and read buddha sutra to tell myself delete the contra word cos it is really a word from hell. . Sofarsogood?      ( Date: 07-Oct-2013 13:59) Posted: I have lost myself I have ruined my family and I have lost everything
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FearValueGreed Master	12-Oct-2013 10:30        FearValueGreed About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Yells: "Long Term Timing X Capital = Well Deserved Payout"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	From my experience contra is worse than margin, CFD, Bank loan, cover warrant because time is always not on yr side. U are always held ransom when T+5 comes and know at yr door. In fact lost the most compared to using other tools. So decided t9 quit and use only what cash I hv to buy stocks after setting aside for rainy days which I obediently let my wife keep it so that she allows me to use my "free cash flow". Bo bian, once a stock player always will be. So got to inplace some circuit breakrs myself. Guess wat I lost 200k in last financial crsis before but earn back now and still standin but c*** never die. Lot of lesson learnt that cannot be read from books or other pple experience. So dun worry , ask yr wife if she still love you. If yes , then ho sei liao. Guess u have to earn back their trust and be a good dad good husband and good son and a good share junction member. Just to add, recently just lost 70k in a single stroke day because hand itchy and my broker very generous , keep asking if I need to up my trading limit. Na bay u see , seven sins of greed is back. Now I kuai kuai face the wall and read buddha sutra to tell myself delete the contra word cos it is really a word from hell. . Sofarsogood?      ( Date: 07-Oct-2013 13:59) Posted: I have lost myself I have ruined my family and I have lost everything paulr0x      ( Date: 07-Oct-2013 13:11) Posted: Bro, how much u lost? I have lost quite a bit too....:
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boon88288 Member	12-Oct-2013 10:00        boon88288 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	hi bro, sort out everything, move on
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Oldbird Senior	07-Oct-2013 19:21        Oldbird About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Contra will die a bit slower... Forex....and other high leverage products will die faster n without body remain... JarolLo      ( Date: 07-Oct-2013 19:13) Posted: Bro, don't underestimate forex. Are you sure nobody manipulate? All the banks are the players in forex. They've multiple billion capital to play with it. Forex is also play with contra. If want to buy and keep, one can buy from money changer better. If stock market is a river with crocodiles, forex market is a big ocean with all the shares around. In stock market at least your mind is peace after 5. In forex is 24 hours, and busy time is our sleeping time. bochap      ( Date: 07-Oct-2013 14:54) Posted: It depends on how much leverage you are using. At the end of day, how much greed do you have? Can you afford to lose that kind of money? In terms of market to market comparison, forex Is better compared to shares contra. At least it's hard to manipulate and corner by large players. And you dont have someone who never bother to query until everything is too late. Our casino dealers just want to earn our money, they dont care about our money.
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JarolLo Veteran	07-Oct-2013 19:13        JarolLo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Bro, don't underestimate forex. Are you sure nobody manipulate? All the banks are the players in forex. They've multiple billion capital to play with it. Forex is also play with contra. If want to buy and keep, one can buy from money changer better. If stock market is a river with crocodiles, forex market is a big ocean with all the shares around. In stock market at least your mind is peace after 5. In forex is 24 hours, and busy time is our sleeping time. bochap      ( Date: 07-Oct-2013 14:54) Posted: It depends on how much leverage you are using. At the end of day, how much greed do you have? Can you afford to lose that kind of money? In terms of market to market comparison, forex Is better compared to shares contra. At least it's hard to manipulate and corner by large players. And you dont have someone who never bother to query until everything is too late. Our casino dealers just want to earn our money, they dont care about our money. JarolLo      ( Date: 07-Oct-2013 13:38) Posted: Bro, forex is worse. I was doing forex years before I touch the stock. No day no night, and is much volatile than stock. They play on margin. The profit and loss is many times more than stock. My highest record of not sleeping was 3.5 days, after that slept like a dead person for more than 24 hours. And my highest profit was US$120K a night, and loss more than double. Ended up I carried a debt more than US$100K out from there, took me years to pay back the bank. Compared to other traders, my debt was still VERY LOW and I was consider VERY LUCKY. If you find it tough for contra in stock market, forex will take your life away
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Sardin Member	07-Oct-2013 18:41        Sardin About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Listen to bro JarolLo advice, forex is not for retail player.. it is a black hole which sucks everything along its path.. Take care!    Bro, forex is worse. I was doing forex years before I touch the stock. No day no night, and is much volatile than stock. They play on margin. The profit and loss is many times more than stock. My highest record of not sleeping was 3.5 days, after that slept like a dead person for more than 24 hours. And my highest profit was US$120K a night, and loss more than double. Ended up I carried a debt more than US$100K out from there, took me years to pay back the bank. Compared to other traders, my debt was still VERY LOW and I was consider VERY LUCKY.  If you find it tough for contra in stock market, forex will take your life away.
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bochap Member	07-Oct-2013 14:54        bochap About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	It depends on how much leverage you are using. At the end of day, how much greed do you have? Can you afford to lose that kind of money? In terms of market to market comparison, forex Is better compared to shares contra. At least it's hard to manipulate and corner by large players. And you dont have someone who never bother to query until everything is too late. Our casino dealers just want to earn our money, they dont care about our money. JarolLo      ( Date: 07-Oct-2013 13:38) Posted: Bro, forex is worse. I was doing forex years before I touch the stock. No day no night, and is much volatile than stock. They play on margin. The profit and loss is many times more than stock. My highest record of not sleeping was 3.5 days, after that slept like a dead person for more than 24 hours. And my highest profit was US$120K a night, and loss more than double. Ended up I carried a debt more than US$100K out from there, took me years to pay back the bank. Compared to other traders, my debt was still VERY LOW and I was consider VERY LUCKY. If you find it tough for contra in stock market, forex will take your life away. bochap      ( Date: 07-Oct-2013 13:24) Posted: I don't understand why people want to play contra, with money that you cannot afford to lose. You win big, you lose big too. It's like a zero sum game, since there is always a loser when there is a winner. End of the day, in the long term, only 2 people actually made money, your brokerage and SGX, and somethings, the company's directors and CEO who ran away with your money.  SGX for pennies is like a casino, with SGX acting like the dealer and the players played against each other. When SGX is happy, they stopped the game and collect money from all players. I thought Forex will be a better place to play, if one likes the excitement of contra. At least not much people can manipulate the market and there is no such thing as suspension or halt and it trades 24 hours a day.
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bochap Member	07-Oct-2013 14:49        bochap About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Good advice. And never repeat the mistakes. I got burnt few times on contra though the amount is small. I learnt the mistake and never touch contra again. If not, I would have catch the falling knife last friday morning. Well, money loss can be earned back again. There are things which cannot, like your health and family relationship. Cherish things that are more important in your life. Money is important but not your everything. SFGuyRuleZ      ( Date: 07-Oct-2013 14:22) Posted: Bro, my heart feels for you when I read this.. Everyone makes mistakes, most importantly is you pick up the lesson and move on from there, and be a better person in future. The goings may get tough, but your wife and family will be by your side, proud of you who is willing to change.for them and will overcome all odds together. I wish you all the best.and that you.can.emerge a stronger person than b4, for ur loved ones, and.ultimately yourself also.. =) Peter_Pan      ( Date: 07-Oct-2013 14:05) Posted: no matter how bitter the medicine drink bit by bit everyday u will finish the medicine and get well eventually.
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SFGuyRuleZ Veteran	07-Oct-2013 14:22        SFGuyRuleZ About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Yells: "You are your own master.."
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Bro, my heart feels for you when I read this.. Everyone makes mistakes, most importantly is you pick up the lesson and move on from there, and be a better person in future. The goings may get tough, but your wife and family will be by your side, proud of you who is willing to change.for them and will overcome all odds together. I wish you all the best.and that you.can.emerge a stronger person than b4, for ur loved ones, and.ultimately yourself also.. =) Peter_Pan      ( Date: 07-Oct-2013 14:05) Posted: no matter how bitter the medicine drink bit by bit everyday u will finish the medicine and get well eventually.  Sofarsogood?      ( Date: 07-Oct-2013 13:59) Posted: I have lost myself I have ruined my family and I have lost everything
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medivh Elite	07-Oct-2013 14:20        medivh About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	bro, listen to my advice: 1) you need to stop posting here and talk to some counsellor who can guide you through your current situation. there are free Credit counselling services available, and also counselling for those in debt due to gambling. (admit it , you have lost cause you gambled big time) 2) Speak to your wife and family, reconcile with them , you need their support really. Esp moral support. Whats done is done.. 3) draw up an action plan on how to pay up your creditors.. if you donno how to do it.. go back to point 1, these counsellors will help guide you and point you to the right person. gd luck.   Sofarsogood?      ( Date: 07-Oct-2013 13:59) Posted: I have lost myself I have ruined my family and I have lost everything paulr0x      ( Date: 07-Oct-2013 13:11) Posted: Bro, how much u lost? I have lost quite a bit too....:
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Siwomp Veteran	07-Oct-2013 14:20        Siwomp About Contact  Quote this Post!   Yells: "Back to Basic. FA is Sexy"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I think it is wise.... when property prices are still high. ballball      ( Date: 07-Oct-2013 13:56) Posted: ....... If I were you .... I would think of downgrading my  property to clear debt first.  When debt-free, it is almost stress-free and care-free. Slowly work hard, earn back then the property upgrade again. Sorry if I sounded naive to you.
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boon88288 Member	07-Oct-2013 14:11        boon88288 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	quickly talk to your broker for installment plan, avoid wasting legal charges...you have to be stronger than anyone of your family members as you have to lead them out of the situation.. stay calm, and dont make implusive decision, make a plan how to pay your debts, and stick to it..spend time with family - as family is always the SUPPORT for everything
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medivh Elite	07-Oct-2013 14:07        medivh About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	why ppl play contra? lol high excitment + gains when played properly. but the reverse can happen. Look at the difference between now and few months back.. few months ago, ppl get hot, REAL HOT..cause pennies started getting feverish. popular threads started in SJ forum, some ppl even started forming grps, they started talking how much they earn from contra... every day got ppl post earnings and they get so excited they finally earn, they thank all the bros who every other day, shared tips on counters going to chiong BIG TIME. From the beginning when they started, I already forewarn of such sharing.. its a double-edged sword. Its tempting, its exciting, so they play play play , every moment ,.. but the inevitable is bound to happen.   NB: ppl need to know when you are putting your money to a game of chance in any system.. its called betting. As one sifu one says, gambling in casino or playing stock market, its all still betting.   bochap      ( Date: 07-Oct-2013 13:24) Posted: I don't understand why people want to play contra, with money that you cannot afford to lose. You win big, you lose big too. It's like a zero sum game, since there is always a loser when there is a winner. End of the day, in the long term, only 2 people actually made money, your brokerage and SGX, and somethings, the company's directors and CEO who ran away with your money.  SGX for pennies is like a casino, with SGX acting like the dealer and the players played against each other. When SGX is happy, they stopped the game and collect money from all players. I thought Forex will be a better place to play, if one likes the excitement of contra. At least not much people can manipulate the market and there is no such thing as suspension or halt and it trades 24 hours a day.
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Peter_Pan Supreme	07-Oct-2013 14:05        Peter_Pan About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood: Yells: "did you order dunkin' donuts"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	no matter how bitter the medicine drink bit by bit everyday u will finish the medicine and get well eventually.  Sofarsogood?      ( Date: 07-Oct-2013 13:59) Posted: I have lost myself I have ruined my family and I have lost everything paulr0x      ( Date: 07-Oct-2013 13:11) Posted: Bro, how much u lost? I have lost quite a bit too....:
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Sofarsogood? Member	07-Oct-2013 13:59        Sofarsogood? About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I have lost myself I have ruined my family and I have lost everything paulr0x      ( Date: 07-Oct-2013 13:11) Posted: Bro, how much u lost? I have lost quite a bit too....:( Sofarsogood?      ( Date: 07-Oct-2013 12:24) Posted: This is the time when to live on and face the problems with courage is harder and tougher than to die. Putting repayment of debts aside, I still can't forgive myself for what I have done that directly or indirectly caused to my family. I just can't forgive myself... I am also very lost whether should I leave my family and settle everything with myself, or should I stay. If I stay, my family will be affected too. This is really bad... This is really the greatest mistake that I have made in life!
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ballball Master	07-Oct-2013 13:56        ballball About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	....... If I were you .... I would think of downgrading my  property to clear debt first.  When debt-free, it is almost stress-free and care-free. Slowly work hard, earn back then the property upgrade again. Sorry if I sounded naive to you.
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Sofarsogood? Member	07-Oct-2013 13:45        Sofarsogood? About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Thank you JarolLo. My plan is to leave my family now, and come back one day later after I have fully repaid my debts. My wife now also feel very stressful because of my debts affecting her work and emotional too. I can always around to help them when they need me.   I don't know how to describe how I feel. My mind just can't stop thinking how to give them a better life in future to " compensate" the catastrophe I have brought to my family.   Yes - I am working full time, now looking for part time too to have extra income to pay off my debts as quickly as possible. I am still owing my broker firm some 80 to 90k resulted from my " cut loss" last Friday. I have played too big and the pennies crash last week was just too sudden and dramatic.   JarolLo      ( Date: 07-Oct-2013 13:31) Posted: Bro, put it this way. Do you think leaving your family will serve better for them? Answer yourself with this serious question. The major issue here is money. Can be earned back and repay to your creditor. You're still young ok.  I've no idea if you're working and have regular income. If not, go find a job and plan for the use of your income. Stay with your family will at least  can take up  your responsibility as a father and husband. If you think of leaving them jsut because  of your problem now, sad to say, you're not a responsible father and husband. Your kid  will grow up  without a father  . Have you ever thought of how he/she is going to face in the future? Stay with a poor father is still much better than no father around. I was grown up without my father with me. Is not that he left us but jsut don't stay with us. The kind of invisible hardship is very difficult to describe. I was working in China in the past few years but decided to quit and come back Singapore also because I saw how my wife look after them, educate them, bring them up without me around, and how the kids feel when they need me. I don't want to repeat the same to them as what I experience. Likewise I don't want your family to face the same. I believe you've not experience this before but I can tell you if you decided to leave them, you'll even more regret than what you do now. Hope you can make your decision wisely. Sofarsogood?      ( Date: 07-Oct-2013 12:24) Posted: This is the time when to live on and face the problems with courage is harder and tougher than to die. Putting repayment of debts aside, I still can't forgive myself for what I have done that directly or indirectly caused to my family. I just can't forgive myself... I am also very lost whether should I leave my family and settle everything with myself, or should I stay. If I stay, my family will be affected too. This is really bad... This is really the greatest mistake that I have made in life!
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JarolLo Veteran	07-Oct-2013 13:38        JarolLo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Bro, forex is worse. I was doing forex years before I touch the stock. No day no night, and is much volatile than stock. They play on margin. The profit and loss is many times more than stock. My highest record of not sleeping was 3.5 days, after that slept like a dead person for more than 24 hours. And my highest profit was US$120K a night, and loss more than double. Ended up I carried a debt more than US$100K out from there, took me years to pay back the bank. Compared to other traders, my debt was still VERY LOW and I was consider VERY LUCKY. If you find it tough for contra in stock market, forex will take your life away. bochap      ( Date: 07-Oct-2013 13:24) Posted: I don't understand why people want to play contra, with money that you cannot afford to lose. You win big, you lose big too. It's like a zero sum game, since there is always a loser when there is a winner. End of the day, in the long term, only 2 people actually made money, your brokerage and SGX, and somethings, the company's directors and CEO who ran away with your money.  SGX for pennies is like a casino, with SGX acting like the dealer and the players played against each other. When SGX is happy, they stopped the game and collect money from all players. I thought Forex will be a better place to play, if one likes the excitement of contra. At least not much people can manipulate the market and there is no such thing as suspension or halt and it trades 24 hours a day.
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JarolLo Veteran	07-Oct-2013 13:31        JarolLo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Bro, put it this way. Do you think leaving your family will serve better for them? Answer yourself with this serious question. The major issue here is money. Can be earned back and repay to your creditor. You're still young ok.  I've no idea if you're working and have regular income. If not, go find a job and plan for the use of your income. Stay with your family will at least  can take up  your responsibility as a father and husband. If you think of leaving them jsut because  of your problem now, sad to say, you're not a responsible father and husband. Your kid  will grow up  without a father  . Have you ever thought of how he/she is going to face in the future? Stay with a poor father is still much better than no father around. I was grown up without my father with me. Is not that he left us but jsut don't stay with us. The kind of invisible hardship is very difficult to describe. I was working in China in the past few years but decided to quit and come back Singapore also because I saw how my wife look after them, educate them, bring them up without me around, and how the kids feel when they need me. I don't want to repeat the same to them as what I experience. Likewise I don't want your family to face the same. I believe you've not experience this before but I can tell you if you decided to leave them, you'll even more regret than what you do now. Hope you can make your decision wisely. Sofarsogood?      ( Date: 07-Oct-2013 12:24) Posted: This is the time when to live on and face the problems with courage is harder and tougher than to die. Putting repayment of debts aside, I still can't forgive myself for what I have done that directly or indirectly caused to my family. I just can't forgive myself... I am also very lost whether should I leave my family and settle everything with myself, or should I stay. If I stay, my family will be affected too. This is really bad... This is really the greatest mistake that I have made in life!
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