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j3r0m3
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14-May-2007 23:25
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wah Elf, yorkies lei. Singapore bring in will cost a bomb. lol... Somemore, if bring in, you become smitten with it then forget about us all here. Then i will get by so many ppl. |
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elfinchilde
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14-May-2007 23:24
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yahyah, asterisk. or to put it purely in metaphorical terms, accord to your 3 pts too: 1) find kantang 2) ensure kantang is a kantang manis 3) goreng the little guy til he's a kantang panas. mauhahhaaaa....oh man. will the malay speakers pls excuse my horrendous abuse of the language here. *giggle* as for price manipulation. I believe it's considered criminal only if you release false information? eg, when you release that co is doing well and call a buy, when you know they faked their accounting. but erm. i dun wanna get myself legally tied up. basically, this is the age of information. Everyone will tell you that knowledge is power. I'll tell you that: power is nothing without proper application. like music, you know? the right degree at the right time. asterisk: not unless you can bark too? bwah ha. oh man, this is getting damn corny. |
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elfinchilde
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14-May-2007 23:15
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yups. bought osim a nong nong time ago *haha* at 0.975, then it did that share split thing (can't rem if it was 1 for 5 or what). Sold off last year. and no, on FA, i wouldn't buy osim. not unless mister ron sim (hullo ronnie!!! bwah hahaaa like i know the guy) divests brookstone. china imitation problem tricky to settle; but brookstone is the bigger problem perhaps. TA-wise. keke. wait and see. aiyah. 1437 counters in the sgx, can't be nothing to buy wat. advise not to look at ENTIRE sgx tho. you'll run risk then of chasing after too many and getting distracted so ending up with nothing. focus on a few, or on a few indicators. basically, find one method that suits you and works, and stick to it. hell, if reading tea leaves work, take it. i'm the ultimate pragmatist here. hahaaa. |
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elfinchilde
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14-May-2007 23:08
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hyper now. can't sleep. was damn pissed abt work but dun wanna brood abt it. so online now lor. eh, my work has nothing to do wtih TA at all. it does have to do somewhat with human psychology tho. muahahahhahaa. i picked up my TA myself; learnt some from the forummers here (act, learnt quite a bit): like from singaporegal, ipunter, sporeguy (eehhhh....teach me your wave theory leh!!!), etcetc. I take what i can from who i can. in that sense i'm a bit of a thief. Or the victorian word for it: fingersmith. I'm a sharesmith! muahahahaa. sorry, just talking nonsense. stresssss....sgih. cannot be stress. must be happy! argh. dowan tu di. unless you can give me a tea cup baby doll yorkshire terrier? keke. |
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zhirong_thann
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14-May-2007 23:08
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Hi elf, looks like u make a fair bit buying osim few years back. Since its peak is $2.16 and I sppose u bought them around lesser than $1. So u considering buying back osim to hold again given that its recent drop in performance? Good time to enter? |
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j3r0m3
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14-May-2007 22:59
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Elf, thought you need to have early night? how come still here? keke... shoo... But its always enlightening to read your posts. Where do you pick up your TA? in your work? wanna "shou tu di" anot? |
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elfinchilde
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14-May-2007 22:59
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aie...livermore, don't mix up leh... TA doesn't always equate rapid trading. Some TA ppl can hold onto their stocks for a long, long time. It all depends on what you want, and what you read. eg, i held osim for 3 years, doubled it, and then sold off. Sometimes it's TA to call entrance and exit on an FA stock. same thing as now, i picked hh and ek on FA basis. TA to call the entrance and exit. am fully prepared to hold ek for the next 2, 3 years if i still see the FA (and TA) potential in it. since haha, at the end of the day, if a company's FA is solid, but no one sees it, its price will never move what. but yea. long term, holding works better. that's why, never play contra. not worth. ehh...asterisk, can't just heck FA leh. Sometimes, it lets you deduce the reason behind the TA trend you're watching. But anw, it all depends on personality. i'm very practical; i take what works. This market is a momentum market; so if i had spare cash, i'd do swing trades. But long term (ie, looking ahead), there has to be a correction sometime. So i'm parked into undervalued counters for the next 3 mths, wait for market to pick up my counters. so zhirong thann, there's your answer. Props and cons are lagging now 'cos they've been fully valued by the market alr. So yea, their 1Q results are good; stellar even. but fact is, most of it has been factored into the share price by the market already. So aiyah. let's not quibble FA or TA. really. if it makes money, who cares? and i'm sure rogue will agree wiht me hahahaa! |
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zhirong_thann
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14-May-2007 22:56
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Hi elf, just call me zhirong. Thanks cos its a new counter anyway so hard to make judgement and analysis. |
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elfinchilde
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14-May-2007 22:49
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wah, zhirong thann (can i abbreviate your name? zhirong, or thann?): china yb can't read leh. no charts given on SJ. but based on today's busd data, appears to be insti sell, retail buy. but some large lots bought still tho. ie, likely down/rangebound for next few sessions. I dun have enough data and didn't track counter's previous busd data, so won't predict more than what today's tech says. some punting going on. sinomem. hehe. wld have prob tried to enter 1.17 on 9th may, sell off tmrw. starting to show resistance of uptrend. keke. and here, may i issue a warning on gems tv. pls do consider it carefully. i know each investor makes his/her own choices, and i'm no one to tell others what to do. But pls. this counter is setting off alarm bells in my head. just look at the vols alone. Def something fishy going on. has been one long downward trend since abt 27th mar (by williams). This is its third big drop since 10 april, and it doesn't seem to have ended yet. Note that it has went below IPO price, as well as broken lowest of 1.17 on 30 Jan. Note also the USD exchange rate will work against you. we're currently abt 1.5 to 1. USD is expected to drop to abt 1.46-8 by year end. strictly for gamblers and high risk takers. o/w, really, not worth. FA-wise, you wouldn't touch this counter with a ten foot pole (only in my beginner's FA view ah): its basis of business is too fragile; too seasonal dependent. like brookstone. Plus, squeezing margins and tough competition. like the water purification industry; hyflux, united envirotech etc. not good, not good... |
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Livermore
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14-May-2007 22:39
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Hi, I just find it a real pity that good profits are lost through too much TA or buy sell.Really, I just try to help people see the benefits of holding. Of course I am not always right. TA people can still choose to TA but at least hold one stock for long term without too much buy sell. I share margin trading as I know the strategy I employ is really not that hard. I would like people to make more profits but of course just be careful for first timers on margin. |
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singaporegal
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14-May-2007 21:52
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Hi elf, Aiyoh... who gave me a bad post for that? I'm currently only holding on to Sinomem. Managed to get in at 1.23. |
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zhirong_thann
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14-May-2007 21:50
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Hi elf, can help me read China Yuanbang and give me your comments? Was observing the china power print which debut today but it was like a downward slope. Wonder why and what happen? Considering the fact that the STI performance is considerably good today but the property and manufacturing sector still react negatively. Can someone give their views? Sporegal, livermore, anyone... |
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Livermore
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14-May-2007 21:38
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Hi Elf, You can open a margin account and I think you can do a share transfer. The value of your shares can allow you to leverage. You are good at FA and TA. You should do well with margin. I am keeping one oil related stock for long term. As long as oil price stays, I'll hold on to it. I still think ASL Marine will go beyond $1.24. |
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elfinchilde
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14-May-2007 21:28
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oic livermore. well, glad you've found a mtd that works for you. :) ASL was not on my charting radar, but looking back at it now; i'd have called a buy earliest on 23rd mar at close of 93c, and sold 25th apr at close of 1.25. a/d, c/o and rsi not particularly sensitive to it. Wld have called the trade based on price momentum, williams and candlesticks. esp candlesticks for the sell since it shows momentum upward is not sustainable. thanks for all your advice tho. will def be looking into the idea of margin. prob not at the moment since fully vested *haha* but always good to learn more! see ya all; need to have an early night. |
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elfinchilde
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14-May-2007 21:10
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oie! who's the fella who gave singaporegal a bad rating just for asking me what shares i'm holding? like sheesh. even if it's a bad qn, it's up to me to decide what! niama.... anw, singaporegal, elf holding onto two counters now only. have just divested edmi. Concentrated into engkong, and hiap hoe. Not just 'cos of vic and FA. If you read the techs, it's an interesting game going on. (note a/d and c/o doesn't work for them). both stocks cornered. ek's float is 210mil. HH is abt there too. Very strong FA backing; both undervalued by the market. hh more speculative tho. So am weighted more into ek; which is essentially how edmi was in january. Double or quits for the year. wish me luck! whatcha holding then? :) |
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Livermore
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14-May-2007 21:05
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Hi Elf, I really don't know anything about charts. I guess if the share has broken out of consolidation from observation. For example, ASL Marine kept going from 90c to $1 and back to 90c, so I guess coming out of $1 is out of consolidation phase. My style is different from TA in the sense that during consolidation phase, I start to accumulate. So once the share breaks out, I leverage up. If my guess is wrong, I still have the earlier lots I bought as "cushion". Correct me if I am wrong but in TA, you would buy once you have some signals up, that might mean you would only buy ASL Marine when it reached $1. You might not have the "cushion" of earlier lots bought. |
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singaporegal
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14-May-2007 20:16
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Hey elfie, What shares are you holding onto now? |
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elfinchilde
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14-May-2007 20:02
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haha, rogue, EECCKLKK: i wish, man, i wish. like i told my godpa and bunnie, the only damn thing working out for me is the stock market. and ehhhh, you guys profit but i don't, what's the benefit to me?! haha. whatcha vested in now, btw? or how's yr TA coming along? ya want any counter read lemme know; elfie will try to help ya. cheers!! livermore: how do you read that the shares are breaking/broke out of consolidation phase? |
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Livermore
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14-May-2007 17:44
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Hi j3r0m3, Hey sorry about the e-mail thing. I was real "blur" *ha*. I just sent you a mail. It is the same mail I sent out at SJ. Here are examples where the shares broke out of consolidation phase and went up further. 1. ASL Marine - broke out from $1 and now $1.24. If you leverage up the moment it breaks out of $1, it would be best. 2. Noble Group - broke out of $1.22 and now $1.68 (I don't what the price is today)? 3. FerroChina - broke out of 77c and now $2.11 I don't punt and just find the fundamenatlly good stock that have long term prospects. Once I leverage up once or twice, I don't buy any more. Thus I always have tendency to buy share at a higher price. But it is ok for me as it means my earlier lots are "covered' and it is a confirmation of a uptrend |
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rogue_trader
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14-May-2007 17:38
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yo elfin, with regards to your "kb" posts in SPC, I advise you to "EECCKLKK" (eng eng cheng cheng kia lai kia ki) then you got more time for fellow forumeers to make quick bucks, and at the same time, less stress... (hehe) |
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