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warrenbegger Elite	08-Aug-2013 12:19        warrenbegger About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood: Yells: "Anyhow Buy Anyhow Die ^_^"
x 0   x 2  Alert Admin	Don't fall in love with stock, unless is your own company. I play for short term rebound at the moment, the rebound will be short term,  because the recovery is still long. Those major index is just waiting to XXXX, but when?? Many months ago people keep shouting short till they get shock, but stock still going up.. The best strategy if u still playing is using the right ratio money management for this. Nothing is certain, but the amount u control to lose will be under control. Eg, If I had 100k to play at any time, I will only use max 30k  to roll it up. If any shiit happen and I get caught, I still had 70k at my back to bail me out when time come. *U can play  30+ trade every month, but just 1 holy cow trade will either break or make u. If u don't wish to get rape hard, money  management is one of the key to save your backside  :)
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yokoosi Member	08-Aug-2013 10:29        yokoosi About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood:
x 2   x 2  Alert Admin	nay, I don't like grandfather stories. Btw, now is the 7th Month, great time to get your grandfather to tell u stories. Huat Ah !   warrenbegger      ( Date: 07-Aug-2013 23:52) Posted: Aiyoh, we like grandfather stories, if u don't like u can close your eyes... Don't forget we all had grandfather, no ones tell u stories before ah? yokoosi      ( Date: 07-Aug-2013 16:51) Posted: Aiyoh, buy and sell share only what. Why so many old grandfather stories. If u want to buy, you buy, if u want to short, you short. Huat Ah!!
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alexchia01 Elite	08-Aug-2013 09:40        alexchia01 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood: Yells: "Catch The Stars And Ride With Them"
x 1   x 0  Alert Admin	You said these probability because you are holding it and don't want to cut your losses. So you looking for some justification to why you should continue holding it. The fact is its fundamental and technical are weak and we don't know when it's going to recover. It could take a year or 10 years, we don't know. But until it does, most investors are not going to invest. Our capital is limited, we don't want our capital to be tied up by a non-performing stock. It is better to let it go and focus on other good fundamental stocks. Don't fall in love with a stock, especially the bad ones. If you want to love a stock, at least love a good one. SFGuyRuleZ      ( Date: 07-Aug-2013 16:34) Posted: I can understand why some people say Vard has lousy fundamentals now, which I partly agree due to the poor earnings as a result of expansion in Brazil. But is very unfair to judge a company and condemn it just because of certain teething issues which results in poorer margins. These issues are a learning experience and can be resolved in the long run. One of the reasons why Niteroi yard faces overload conditions is because the yard is not big enough to accomodate the smoother construction of bigger ships. But the fact is that they do manage to deliver these bigger ships in the end, which is a breakthrough. The new yard Promar built is now bigger and able to better accomodate the construction of larger hulls. On top of that, they constantly look at new ways to build better ships with better technology. If i am not wrong, the LPG vessels they going to build soon would also be their pioneer attempt. I expect Niteroi yard issue to still affect their overall margins for this year slightly. Even next year, I expect start up operations would maybe have some effect on the overall margin due to their training costs as they increase their workforce to around 2500 (if i am not wrong) for the new yard Promar. All these to me is just short term pain for long term gain. From 2009 to 2012, ebitda margins was from ~5% to ~11% to ~19% to ~13%. I expect this year ebitda margin won't be fantastic, but next year should start to pick up..
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Dividend_Warrior Senior	08-Aug-2013 08:53        Dividend_Warrior About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Fundamental   Mood: Yells: "I am getting $1100 per month in dividends :)"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Buying and Selling stocks is all about grandfather stories. The one that can tell the best story wins!!!
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warrenbegger Elite	07-Aug-2013 23:52        warrenbegger About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood: Yells: "Anyhow Buy Anyhow Die ^_^"
x 0   x 1  Alert Admin	Aiyoh, we like grandfather stories, if u don't like u can close your eyes... Don't forget we all had grandfather, no ones tell u stories before ah? yokoosi      ( Date: 07-Aug-2013 16:51) Posted: Aiyoh, buy and sell share only what. Why so many old grandfather stories. If u want to buy, you buy, if u want to short, you short. Huat Ah!!
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warrenbegger Elite	07-Aug-2013 23:47        warrenbegger About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood: Yells: "Anyhow Buy Anyhow Die ^_^"
x 1   x 1  Alert Admin	Ya lor, if u want to see, then see. If not, no one force u to see and make stupid comment...   evahsu      ( Date: 07-Aug-2013 16:57) Posted: Yalor...so long winded.Now reading the thread become so tedious. yokoosi      ( Date: 07-Aug-2013 16:51) Posted: Aiyoh, buy and sell share only what. Why so many old grandfather stories. If u want to buy, you buy, if u want to short, you short. Huat Ah!!
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warrenbegger Elite	07-Aug-2013 23:43        warrenbegger About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood: Yells: "Anyhow Buy Anyhow Die ^_^"
x 2   x 1  Alert Admin	Don't had to care about them, u just post your own view and that's nothing wrong about it. They want to see or not no one force them to see, they just want to make u angry and leave only. Most r those new member??? If this forum all only post, buy this and that, short this and that without pointing out any meaning to back their view. Then what's the point of staying here.. *There r lots of unkind people in this world. U tips them 10 win they quiet quiet, just 1 wrong and they F u for life... That's the fact of human... SFGuyRuleZ      ( Date: 07-Aug-2013 17:03) Posted: I am not the one who started it btw. And if all the information to you is long-winded, I shall stop contributing and leave this forum. Days of investing were still better when I was not in any forum. But I still appreciate those posts by people like krisluke and shareflux (dunno where is he now) Thanks and take care guys!! Cheers.. evahsu      ( Date: 07-Aug-2013 16:57) Posted: Yalor...so long winded.Now reading the thread become so tedious
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eaton1977 Member	07-Aug-2013 17:51        eaton1977 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	People will start chasing when back to 1 plus again
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Blanchard Senior	07-Aug-2013 17:45        Blanchard About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood: Yells: "Winners cry..... Losers smile....."
x 1   x 0  Alert Admin	SFGuyRuleZ, I appreciate your sharing & encouragement. Keep it up.   wendel      ( Date: 07-Aug-2013 17:37) Posted: Just continue lah...ur info will better off those w..."buy"..."chance u shld not miss"... JarolLo      ( Date: 07-Aug-2013 17:23) Posted: Bro, I think its good that you contributed so much for us to make better decision. Not everybody has this deep insignt of the analysis. I encourage you to stay on and let's share any news/opinion, even found or unfound is ok. Investment is not only so much about information but sharp sense also important. Ignore those disturbing noises. These can be found anyway, any forum or along the street. We're here to huat, not to get angry. Everybody here are mature people with good common sense, we can tell who is sincere and who just posting unnecessary comment. Judgement rest with individual reader. Once again, appreciate you did so much for us and thank you for your contribution.
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heavenknow Member	07-Aug-2013 17:43        heavenknow About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Just rest over the long weekend and come back to post on Monday~
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wendel Master	07-Aug-2013 17:37        wendel About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Just continue lah...ur info will better off those w..."buy"..."chance u shld not miss"... JarolLo      ( Date: 07-Aug-2013 17:23) Posted: Bro, I think its good that you contributed so much for us to make better decision. Not everybody has this deep insignt of the analysis. I encourage you to stay on and let's share any news/opinion, even found or unfound is ok. Investment is not only so much about information but sharp sense also important. Ignore those disturbing noises. These can be found anyway, any forum or along the street. We're here to huat, not to get angry. Everybody here are mature people with good common sense, we can tell who is sincere and who just posting unnecessary comment. Judgement rest with individual reader. Once again, appreciate you did so much for us and thank you for your contribution. SFGuyRuleZ      ( Date: 07-Aug-2013 17:03) Posted: I am not the one who started it btw. And if all the information to you is long-winded, I shall stop contributing and leave this forum. Days of investing were still better when I was not in any forum. But I still appreciate those posts by people like krisluke and shareflux (dunno where is he now) Thanks and take care guys!! Cheers..
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JarolLo Veteran	07-Aug-2013 17:23        JarolLo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 2   x 1  Alert Admin	Bro, I think its good that you contributed so much for us to make better decision. Not everybody has this deep insignt of the analysis. I encourage you to stay on and let's share any news/opinion, even found or unfound is ok. Investment is not only so much about information but sharp sense also important. Ignore those disturbing noises. These can be found anyway, any forum or along the street. We're here to huat, not to get angry. Everybody here are mature people with good common sense, we can tell who is sincere and who just posting unnecessary comment. Judgement rest with individual reader. Once again, appreciate you did so much for us and thank you for your contribution. SFGuyRuleZ      ( Date: 07-Aug-2013 17:03) Posted: I am not the one who started it btw. And if all the information to you is long-winded, I shall stop contributing and leave this forum. Days of investing were still better when I was not in any forum. But I still appreciate those posts by people like krisluke and shareflux (dunno where is he now) Thanks and take care guys!! Cheers.. evahsu      ( Date: 07-Aug-2013 16:57) Posted: Yalor...so long winded.Now reading the thread become so tedious
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Simpsons Veteran	07-Aug-2013 17:07        Simpsons About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Bro sf, forum is an open area for people to contribute their views and study. Your points on vard are greatly appreciated. Dun have to leave just because of others. Pls hang on with us who are vested in vard still it reaches north pole..
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MtFaber Member	07-Aug-2013 17:07        MtFaber About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Technical   Mood: Yells: "PRICE may not equal VALUE"
x 1   x 0  Alert Admin	@SFGuyRuleZ: Thanks for your insights and analysis. Keep posting!
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heavenknow Member	07-Aug-2013 17:04        heavenknow About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Conclusion invest in VARD to huat big big. Remember is invest mid to long term and avoid contra and shorting in this volatile mkt~
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SFGuyRuleZ Veteran	07-Aug-2013 17:03        SFGuyRuleZ About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Yells: "You are your own master.."
x 1   x 1  Alert Admin	I am not the one who started it btw. And if all the information to you is long-winded, I shall stop contributing and leave this forum. Days of investing were still better when I was not in any forum. But I still appreciate those posts by people like krisluke and shareflux (dunno where is he now) Thanks and take care guys!! Cheers.. evahsu      ( Date: 07-Aug-2013 16:57) Posted: Yalor...so long winded.Now reading the thread become so tedious. yokoosi      ( Date: 07-Aug-2013 16:51) Posted: Aiyoh, buy and sell share only what. Why so many old grandfather stories. If u want to buy, you buy, if u want to short, you short. Huat Ah!!
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evahsu Member	07-Aug-2013 16:57        evahsu About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yalor...so long winded.Now reading the thread become so tedious. yokoosi      ( Date: 07-Aug-2013 16:51) Posted: Aiyoh, buy and sell share only what. Why so many old grandfather stories. If u want to buy, you buy, if u want to short, you short. Huat Ah!!
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yokoosi Member	07-Aug-2013 16:53        yokoosi About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Now buy vol > sell vol Think for yourselves. Huat Ah !
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yokoosi Member	07-Aug-2013 16:51        yokoosi About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Aiyoh, buy and sell share only what. Why so many old grandfather stories. If u want to buy, you buy, if u want to short, you short. Huat Ah!!
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SFGuyRuleZ Veteran	07-Aug-2013 16:34        SFGuyRuleZ About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Yells: "You are your own master.."
x 4   x 1  Alert Admin	I can understand why some people say Vard has lousy fundamentals now, which I partly agree due to the poor earnings as a result of expansion in Brazil. But is very unfair to judge a company and condemn it just because of certain teething issues which results in poorer margins. These issues are a learning experience and can be resolved in the long run. One of the reasons why Niteroi yard faces overload conditions is because the yard is not big enough to accomodate the smoother construction of bigger ships. But the fact is that they do manage to deliver these bigger ships in the end, which is a breakthrough. The new yard Promar built is now bigger and able to better accomodate the construction of larger hulls. On top of that, they constantly look at new ways to build better ships with better technology. If i am not wrong, the LPG vessels they going to build soon would also be their pioneer attempt. I expect Niteroi yard issue to still affect their overall margins for this year slightly. Even next year, I expect start up operations would maybe have some effect on the overall margin due to their training costs as they increase their workforce to around 2500 (if i am not wrong) for the new yard Promar. All these to me is just short term pain for long term gain. From 2009 to 2012, ebitda margins was from ~5% to ~11% to ~19% to ~13%. I expect this year ebitda margin won't be fantastic, but next year should start to pick up..
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