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China Fishery - Low PE
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starlene
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02-Jul-2013 12:00
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Where there is uncertainly pple just sell..noe free float < 20% in public hands.This stock now qualifies as Warren Buffet-value investing stock as someone has just posted,hope it can recover but takes time | ||||
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UPRR18
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01-Jul-2013 09:35
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senior, i thought so vested some. don't understand ... won't affect the takeover .. effectively control majority but the share keep dropping. what is happening ??? maybe no     | ||||
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Blanchard
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01-Jul-2013 01:08
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China Fish said on last Thurs it intends to start arbitration proceedings against Veramar Azul in Peru over the latter's failure to transfer a call option that will let  China Fish  raise its stake in Copeinca.
But the arbitration against Veramar will not affect  China Fish's  takeover offer for Copeinca as China Fish effectively controls 65.26% of Copeinca shares, not including the call option shares from Veramar.     .....Take calculated risks. That is quite different from being rash...... (George S. Patton, US General, 1885 - 1945)    
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newbie888
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30-Jun-2013 16:31
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seems like the acquisition is not a smooth sailing one...now is in a tangle with Veramar...any view on this? | ||||
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Blanchard
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27-Jun-2013 10:59
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It's good that we know the potential, capability  & risks of China Fish.  We would be extra cautious/skeptical if these factors are still deteriorating/uncertain/unknown. | ||||
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T2LE56
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27-Jun-2013 10:19
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Good job UPRR18. I have watched the video, pretty good assessment on CF. If you have time listening in ...
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Blanchard
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27-Jun-2013 08:56
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Ya... the Moody's rating report is clear enough. It is up to China Fish  to prove herself to the shareholders. (note: < 20% of the shares are held by the public) |
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T2LE56
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27-Jun-2013 08:22
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Let's face it, for those who have already vested they sing one tune and for those who have not yet another. I was told to look for neutral independent party ... I do believe ... a rating company like Moody credit rating company said it all. You decide for yourself
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Mardi.tan
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27-Jun-2013 06:52
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China fish and pacific andes are not worth buying. Since listing ill now when market is good they will do cash call. low PE but no cash. I kana cash call few times. Lucky threw them all at gain.  Dear fellow inv3stor. Beware of low pe company.. will constant cash call every two years  |
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Blanchard
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27-Jun-2013 02:56
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kingkungfu, thanks for sharing. Hope the loss has been  recovered / has almost been recovered. I feel that this aggressive, strategic  acquisition of  Copeinca is very important to China Fish. Hopefully, China Fish can integrate well with it and mitigate financial & operations risks arising in this tough but sustainable business. Also hope that China Fish can maintain profitability &   > 2% dividend annually. |
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kingkungfu
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27-Jun-2013 01:22
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China Fishery is a global leading integrated industrial fishing company with access to some of the  world’s most important fishing grounds in the Pacific Ocean and Atlantic Ocean. It also operates a  fleet of purse seine fishing vessels with a 10% market share of the total allowable catch in Peru and  owns several strategically located fishmeal processing plants along the coast of Peru. This makes it a prime beneficiary of the ever-growing global demand for fish especially since between 50-60% of its  revenue is from the high growth Chinese market.  Besides operating its own fleet of fishing trawlers and catcher vessels, it also signed 4 long-term  Vessel Operating Agreements (VOAs) with a group of Russian fishing vessel owners whereby China  Fishery would lease 23 super trawlers from these Russian owners and also bear all vessel operating  costs such as bunker, crew wages, maintenance and insurance costs. After deducting these costs,  operating margins still come up to a mouth-watering 50-60%.  China Fishery also owns a floating factory, christened the “Lafayette”, that is equipped to process  and freeze 1,500 tonnes of fish per day and has total storage capacity of 14,000 tonnes. This was  converted from a Panamax vessel that was previously used to transport crude oil at a total cost of  US$100 million in 2009. The Lafayette can operate at sea all year round and provide fish processing  and storage support to its fleet of catcher vessels and supertrawlers in the South Pacific. By being www.lumierecapital.com  6 able to unload their catch directly to the Lafayette out at sea, these vessels can resume fishing  almost immediately, thus greatly enhancing efficiency.  The company’s track record over the past few years demonstrates its resilient and high-growth  business model. Revenue grew at a compounded annual rate of 35% from US$156 million in FY2006  to US$685 million in FY2011, while profits also compounded at 17% per annum from US$48 million  in FY2006 to US$104 million in FY2011. Even during the 2008 Global Financial Crisis, revenue and  earnings continued to increase, albeit at a slower rate. Management also has a consistent policy of  paying out 30% of its earnings as dividends to shareholders. These desirable qualities have attracted  the likes of institutional investors such as the Carlyle Group, who invested US$150 million for an 11% stake in the company in 2010.  We took a position in China Fishery in late 2011 at 5.5x earnings, 1x NTA and 5% dividend yield. This  opportunity arose after its shares declined over 60% from the peak in January 2011 due to the  general market sell-down. After we made our investment, the business continued to grow nicely for  the first-half of FY2012. However in July 2012, China Fishery announced that it was replacing its 4  VOAs with Long-term Supply Agreements (LSAs) instead. Under the new LSAs, the same Russian  vessel owners would commit to supply all their catch to China Fishery and the vessel owners would  also be responsible for all operating costs. In return, China Fishery would need to pay a total of  US$438 million upfront to the vessel owners for the 4 LSAs, thus increasing its already high debt  burden.  We grew uncomfortable with the thought of China Fishery paying such a huge amount upfront as  the weak rule of law in Russia meant that if any legal disputes broke out between the company and  the vessel owners, we were not guaranteed a fair resolution. In the worst-case scenario, the  company could be saddled with the huge debt with no supply of fish to show for. The situation was  further compounded when it announced its first-ever quarterly loss in 4Q FY2012 citing lower than  expected catch volumes in the North Atlantic and South Pacific. It puzzled us how such a fishing giant could fail to catch enough fish to at least make a marginal profit. Management also revealed that  their total allowable catch in Peru for the November 2012 – January 2013 season would be  dramatically slashed by 70% due to the high level of juvenile fish in the water. Since the Peruvian  fishmeal business makes up around a third of its revenues, the negative impact would be significant.  What we initially assessed as a simple, understandable and recession-proof business had in 6  months turned into an unanalyzable combination of moving parts, plagued with regulatory, legal,  financial and business risk. With a potentially binary outcome, we were no longer holding onto an  investment that gave us the extremely favourable risk-to-reward payoffs that we typically look for in  our companies. As such, we closed out our position in China Fishery at a 30% loss after holding it for a year.  ----------------------------------------------
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Blanchard
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26-Jun-2013 23:11
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Moody's: China Fishery's ratings unaffected by new Copeinca bid http://www.moodys.com/research/Moodys-China-Fisherys-ratings-unaffected-by-new-Copeinca-bid--PR_276625 |
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Blanchard
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26-Jun-2013 16:50
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Peru's Copeinca Chairman sees China Fishery share offer proceeding... http://www.euroinvestor.com/news/2013/06/25/peruaposs-copeinca-chairman-sees-china-fishery-share-offer-proceeding/12385729 |
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UPRR18
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26-Jun-2013 15:10
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hi look what i have found, ..... pretty interesting. i think this bbs is attractive. China Fishery is trading below book value, pays a dividend and generates cash http://video.xin.msn.com/watch/video/china-fishery-whats-wrong-with-this-value-stock/pf2odec2   |
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UPRR18
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26-Jun-2013 08:41
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hope this time they really have secured the majority. last around also said got more than 50% in the end don't have. maybe that why the market want to see the facts first. also how are they funding the acquisition ?? any problems ... i think better wait for more clear news.
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kenkenken
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25-Jun-2013 21:13
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The first thing is whether the acquisition is  really that good in the first place or are they force to go into Mandatory GO.       Your answer can be found below including hongkong branch?but i doubt if the bank will loan page 23 Financing of the New Offer   The acquisition will be financed by external bank financing from Coöperatieve Centrale Raiffeisen-Boerenleenbank B.A . (trading asRabobank International), Hong Kong Branch and DBS Bank (Hong Kong)Limited and internal resources of CFGL.  
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Blanchard
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25-Jun-2013 19:19
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The acquisition cost ~US$790. Amount raised from the recent rights issues= US$278 Loans from Rabobank & DBS for the acquisition= US$295 max Additional amount required for the acquisition= ~US$217 (to use $ from other internal funds?) Page C-21 of the recent circular to shareholders mentions about the China Fish's debt financing. This is what I understood. More info from anyone would be good.  
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T2LE56
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25-Jun-2013 17:50
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Guess Big Money out of the pocket !!! What and where are they getting the fund ???
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serialain
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25-Jun-2013 13:05
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Why is the price still falling! I thought this is awesome news | ||||
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guoyanyunyan
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25-Jun-2013 12:21
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ChinaFishery resumes share chase for Peru's Copeinca ....Mainboard-listed China Fishery has renewed its efforts to take Peru's second largest fishing company Copeinca into its fold, with its previous offer having lapsed a month ago. Last Friday, it exercised its call option to acquire Veramar Azul's entire 8.97% stake in the Oslo-listed fish food producer for 375.82 million Norwegian kroner (S$79.04 million), with the offer of 59.70 Norwegian kroner for each of its 6.3 million shares. It has also upped the ante and intends to dangle a new cash offer of 68.17 kroner for each Copeinca share that it does not yet hold, throwing in a premium of 17.5% over the share's closing price of 58 kroner on Friday, and trumping its own earlier bids of 53.85 kroner and 59.70 kroner. Existing shareholders of Copeinca have taken the bait: there have been pre-acceptance undertakings from Dyer Coriat Holdings, which currently holds 27.21% of the Copeinca stake, and from Weilheim Investments, which holds 4.97 %. Other stakes amounting to 5.46 % are already in the bag. (Source: Business Times) |
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