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student Veteran	02-Apr-2013 18:26        student About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 1  Alert Admin	Some here like to add a bit of spicing and blachan 'nonsense' to brighten up an otherwise boring trading day of waiting and waiting. Lol.
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ruggerking Member	02-Apr-2013 18:14        ruggerking About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Kindly do not get offended with my post. I am stating it in general to anyone or everyone who is reading or planning to post. And kindly understand what is the meaning of nonsensical  and emotional post along with posting in English for the benefit of everyone. I can extract out a few examples but i do not want to offend the users.  P.S. nonsensical  or emotional post do not  relate  with possibility at all and neither did anyone claim it does thus i do not know how it co exist as quoted below.. " Possibilities are not emotion-based bias, not at all."   Thanks and no offence. Let's stick to the main topic and decide individually when to buy and sell without influencing others. Cheers
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student Veteran	02-Apr-2013 16:15        student About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yes sifu is so right. Also consider all possibility/probability of unknown fundamentals too. It is best to " mau" oneself, rather than confidently urging others to buy or sell. BummerHuat      ( Date: 02-Apr-2013 16:08) Posted: In addition to possibilities, need to also factor in probability/likelihood. Strike toto, end of the world, Singapore in the world cup are all possibilities..
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BummerHuat Member	02-Apr-2013 16:08        BummerHuat About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	In addition to possibilities, need to also factor in probability/likelihood. Strike toto, end of the world, Singapore in the world cup are all possibilities..
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student Veteran	02-Apr-2013 15:44        student About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 1  Alert Admin	Possibilities are not emotion-based bias, not at all. On the contrary, great optimism is often largely emotion-based.
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WanSiTong Master	02-Apr-2013 15:42        WanSiTong About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	agreed, ruggerking      ( Date: 02-Apr-2013 15:31) Posted: Hi Guys, Let's stick to insightful post rather then  nonsensical  posting or non evidence-base emotional bias remarks. And if possible, stick to English as it would be advantageous for every user reading this thread. Cheers )
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BummerHuat Member	02-Apr-2013 15:38        BummerHuat About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I believe in the possibility. Question is at what price. Certainly not at 1.22 or 1.00   student      ( Date: 02-Apr-2013 15:21) Posted: You don't believe the possibility of it being delisted.. privatised? BummerHuat      ( Date: 02-Apr-2013 15:10) Posted: Firstly, Fincantieri is owned by the It gov, but it is not the It gov itself. Just like the Singapore govt is a different entity from Capitaland, Keppel, etc. And giving dividend is not about being generous to the public. If dividend is declared, Fincantieri is the one getting the most dividend as they hold the most shares. If I am Fincantieri and need money, all the more I will declare dividends. If not, the cash will be remain in VARD's books.   At 1.22, less than 5% took up the offer, for which around 4% was by OZ who is looking to exit. Which means excluding OZ, less than 1% took up the 1.22 offer. At 1.00 how many do you think will take up the offer? Making a GO involve engaging professionals which is not cheap. Why would anyone make a unrealistic offer and incur expenses for it?
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student Veteran	02-Apr-2013 15:38        student About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	What is the worst case scenario? guoyanyunyan      ( Date: 02-Apr-2013 15:31) Posted: You are right... enitirely possible
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guoyanyunyan Elite	02-Apr-2013 15:37        guoyanyunyan About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Yells: "uncertainty always exist"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	... for the second point ... ... may be can open thread to cater to the need, like " Malay Chitchat Corner" , " Mandarin Chitchat Corner" etc     ruggerking      ( Date: 02-Apr-2013 15:31) Posted: Hi Guys, Let's stick to insightful post rather then  nonsensical  posting or non evidence-base emotional bias remarks. And if possible, stick to English as it would be advantageous for every user reading this thread. Cheers )
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guoyanyunyan Elite	02-Apr-2013 15:31        guoyanyunyan About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Yells: "uncertainty always exist"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	You are right... enitirely possible
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ruggerking Member	02-Apr-2013 15:31        ruggerking About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Hi Guys, Let's stick to insightful post rather then  nonsensical  posting or non evidence-base emotional bias remarks. And if possible, stick to English as it would be advantageous for every user reading this thread. Cheers )
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student Veteran	02-Apr-2013 15:21        student About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 1  Alert Admin	You don't believe the possibility of it being delisted.. privatised? BummerHuat      ( Date: 02-Apr-2013 15:10) Posted: Firstly, Fincantieri is owned by the It gov, but it is not the It gov itself. Just like the Singapore govt is a different entity from Capitaland, Keppel, etc. And giving dividend is not about being generous to the public. If dividend is declared, Fincantieri is the one getting the most dividend as they hold the most shares. If I am Fincantieri and need money, all the more I will declare dividends. If not, the cash will be remain in VARD's books.   At 1.22, less than 5% took up the offer, for which around 4% was by OZ who is looking to exit. Which means excluding OZ, less than 1% took up the 1.22 offer. At 1.00 how many do you think will take up the offer? Making a GO involve engaging professionals which is not cheap. Why would anyone make a unrealistic offer and incur expenses for it? student      ( Date: 02-Apr-2013 13:48) Posted: If the co is very lucrative, will the It gov want to give dividends to the public at all? What if say one year later they make another GO at 1.00  ?
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student Veteran	02-Apr-2013 15:19        student About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 1  Alert Admin	Lol.. Happy like fish... It won't  be so happy with hook in the cheek... lol.  GorgeousOng      ( Date: 02-Apr-2013 14:24) Posted: Wah! if it is 1.85 can buy many yachts lor!!! I am not so greedy , 1st round 1.35 it is enough to pay for my little sampan!"I will be happy like fish"!!!Heeheee student      ( Date: 02-Apr-2013 14:10) Posted: It can go very high too eg 1.85.  Then all will be " jia buay liao" (untong).
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BummerHuat Member	02-Apr-2013 15:10        BummerHuat About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Firstly, Fincantieri is owned by the It gov, but it is not the It gov itself. Just like the Singapore govt is a different entity from Capitaland, Keppel, etc. And giving dividend is not about being generous to the public. If dividend is declared, Fincantieri is the one getting the most dividend as they hold the most shares. If I am Fincantieri and need money, all the more I will declare dividends. If not, the cash will be remain in VARD's books.   At 1.22, less than 5% took up the offer, for which around 4% was by OZ who is looking to exit. Which means excluding OZ, less than 1% took up the 1.22 offer. At 1.00 how many do you think will take up the offer? Making a GO involve engaging professionals which is not cheap. Why would anyone make a unrealistic offer and incur expenses for it? student      ( Date: 02-Apr-2013 13:48) Posted: If the co is very lucrative, will the It gov want to give dividends to the public at all? What if say one year later they make another GO at 1.00  ?
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GorgeousOng Elite	02-Apr-2013 14:24        GorgeousOng About Contact  Quote this Post!   Yells: "Hehehaha...enjoy life n live to the fullest..."
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Wah! if it is 1.85 can buy many yachts lor!!! I am not so greedy , 1st round 1.35 it is enough to pay for my little sampan!"I will be happy like fish"!!!Heeheee student      ( Date: 02-Apr-2013 14:10) Posted: It can go very high too eg 1.85.  Then all will be " jia buay liao" (untong). student      ( Date: 02-Apr-2013 14:02) Posted: I can go very high too eg 1.85.  Then all will be " jia buay liao" (untong).
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student Veteran	02-Apr-2013 14:10        student About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 1  Alert Admin	It can go very high too eg 1.85.  Then all will be " jia buay liao" (untong). student      ( Date: 02-Apr-2013 14:02) Posted: I can go very high too eg 1.85.  Then all will be " jia buay liao" (untong). guoyanyunyan      ( Date: 02-Apr-2013 14:00) Posted: ... so far last done price $1.250 +0.020 with good vol 11,280 ... ... chances of better price to come is higher ....
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student Veteran	02-Apr-2013 14:02        student About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I can go very high too eg 1.85.  Then all will be " jia buay liao" (untong). guoyanyunyan      ( Date: 02-Apr-2013 14:00) Posted: ... so far last done price $1.250 +0.020 with good vol 11,280 ... ... chances of better price to come is higher ....
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guoyanyunyan Elite	02-Apr-2013 14:00        guoyanyunyan About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Yells: "uncertainty always exist"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	... so far last done price $1.250 +0.020 with good vol 11,280 ... ... chances of better price to come is higher ....
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student Veteran	02-Apr-2013 13:48        student About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	If the co is very lucrative, will the It gov want to give dividends to the public at all? What if say one year later they make another GO at 1.00  ?
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BummerHuat Member	02-Apr-2013 13:40        BummerHuat About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Authority to issue share is a common agenda for listed company's AGM. It gives the company the authority to issue shares, but doesn't mean that it will be issuing.  There won't be anymore dividends for FY2012. They have already paid out about 70+% of earnings as dividends for FY2012. Future dividends will need to come from FY2013's earnings and also dependent on whether there is a change in dividend policy now that key shareholder has changed. jason-ice      ( Date: 02-Apr-2013 10:04) Posted: Refering to the agm agenda that is on the websites  http://www.vard.com/investor/Pages/default.aspx  now,  resolution number 6 , are they issuing new shares? if they are , than what kind of share?   ?? no dividend?
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