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28-Sep-2011 08:40
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In stocks, quarelling and bickering are the commonest things to be seen...       But strangely, no one quarrels at the casinos. This is a human anomaly.             If only more realise that all is betting, there will be no more quarrels.                       But as long as humans remain humans,                                 bulls and bears will continue to quarrel... lol...          |
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dc16888
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28-Sep-2011 08:32
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from chart view, there is long term LR ctr band 0.795  , further up there is ma around 0.85 http://www.tradestockdiary.blogspot.com http://www.holistichealingnatural.blogspot.com     |
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Howe123
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28-Sep-2011 01:53
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you are damn fake
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FearValueGreed
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27-Sep-2011 18:03
Yells: "Long Term Timing X Capital = Well Deserved Payout" |
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I wonder you are tracking the stocks or the forumers? Buy or sell is your responsibility. And you really think all  those who declared are speaking all the truth. end of story
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bh704428
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27-Sep-2011 13:50
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You are crazy! When did I say I listen to him?! I only ask where is he? Long-time never see him posts since 2nd QTR of 2011
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Joe2020
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27-Sep-2011 13:32
Yells: "I am the Oracle sent forth unto you that ye shall be warned" |
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You can find him at the corner of the OG shopping center in China town mending broken shoes.....why listen to him when he clearly tell you that he is a shoemaker not stock maker LOL by the way see China property prospect below Analysis: Greentown woes reveal risks in China property boomHANGZHOU/HONG KONG (Reuters) - China is moving to choke off funding avenues to developers across the country, tightening or eliminating credit options in a bid to slow the rampant property market and bring down prices without sending the broader economy into a crash. The latest salvo in Beijing's battle to rein in the sector came last week, when the banking regulator ordered trust firms to detail their exposure to debt-laden Greentown < 3900.HK> . The company, based in the popular Chinese tourist city of Hangzhou, specializes in luxury property development around the country. China has already imposed home-purchase restrictions on about 40 cities as part of nearly two years of efforts to cool prices that have risen far beyond the reach of ordinary Chinese. But regulator's move last week stoked concerns of a funding squeeze for the sector and sparked a selloff in shares and bonds in many other Hong Kong-listed Chinese developers. Many of these developers are highly geared and had relied on trust loans as a key source of financing in the absence of other channels of funding. " The double whammy of slower sales since end-August and higher interest costs has likely sparked increasing concerns on liquidity of Chinese developers, which is likely to further deteriorate if sales slow further," Mirae Asset Research said in a report. The average interest costs of Hong Kong-listed Chinese developers rose 64 percent year on year in the first half, Mirae said based on the companies it tracks. TRUST FINANCING Beijing wants to push developers to lower prices and sell down their inventories, so it is turning the screws on trust financing -- choking off what has been a lifeline for many of the country's smaller developers such as Greentown. The form of financing, more expensive than ordinary loans, has been booming. Chinese trusts poured over 210 billion yuan ($32 billion) into the sector in the first half. Total outstanding property trust loans exceeded 600 billion yuan. The China Banking Regulatory Commission scrutiny of Greentown's lenders highlighted Beijing's determination to bring down housing prices that it views as a threat to social stability and economic growth. It also raised the risks of investing in what used to be China's best growth story, analysts said. Indeed, the market may well be at a turning point, with grave consequences for smaller developers around China. The restrictions on homebuying and the heavy credit clampdown on buyers and developers seem to be showing some impact in major Chinese cities. Housing inflation has shown signs of peaking, easing a touch in August, with home prices in major cities remaining flat for a second consecutive month. " The banking regulator has been tightening real-estate trust financing. It should only get tighter," said a senior executive at a Chinese trust company. The executive declined to be identified because he is not authorized to talk to the media. GREENTOWN WOES Sky-high housing prices undermine Beijing's goal of making its economic growth more sustainable, making it more reliant on domestic consumption and less on exports. A more healthy and affordable property sector would unleash real demand and so provide support to dozens of other industries from appliances to furniture. Therefore Beijing is unwilling to see a meltdown of the sector, which would destabilize its financial system, analysts say. What it hopes to see is a soft landing of the market. " I don't believe the state will keep adding pressure to the property sector until it collapses," Greentown CEO Shou Biannian told Reuters on Thursday. Greentown is one of the more stark examples of the crunch. The company had amassed total debts of 34.6 billion yuan at end-June -- almost 40 percent of it maturing in 12 months -- and 5 billion yuan of its liabilities related to trusts. Its net gearing ratio of 163 percent, the highest among Hong Kong-listed Chinese developers, resulted from an aggressive, debt-driven expansion in the past few years' heyday of the China property market boom. It now suffers negative cashflow, Greentown earnings figures show. At the sales office of Sincere Garden, an upscale residential project developed by Greentown, salespeople in grey uniforms politely show a few prospective buyers a sprawling model of a compound consisting of more than a dozen high-rises. Outside the fancily decorated sales office, a few trucks rumble in and out of a vast, dusty construction site in the outskirts of Hangzhou, nicknamed heaven on earth for its picturesque West Lake. " How can we possibly sell a few units in a day when you have government controls and purchase restrictions?" a saleswoman complained to one viewer. Shou said he had no plans to cut sale prices now, although the company was set to miss its 2011 sales target of 54 billion yuan as it had only completed half of that so far this year. At Sincere Garden, there have been far fewer buyers since the purchase restrictions kicked in earlier this year, although three quarters of the development slated for completion in 2013 had already been sold, the saleswoman said. Average selling prices had gone up to 36,000 yuan ($5,636) per square meter, up from 29,000 yuan two years ago when it was launched. Analysts expect Greentown's woes to spread to other developers. Its shares plunged 17 percent on Thursday alone, hitting a 28 month low. With the credit tap tightened further and funding costs soaring, Chinese developers, especially smaller, indebted ones, are expected to cut or delay project construction and lower sale prices to stay afloat, bankers and analysts say. " The cash position of the companies should allow them to sustain for another six months. If worse comes to worse, they can cut construction and then prices," said Jacphanie Cheung, director of Asia Credit Research at Deutsche Bank. CREDIT CRUNCH China has banned developers from accessing the domestic stock and bond markets. Domestic banks are also increasingly cautious about lending to developers, especially small ones. Even for big developers such as China Vanke < 000002.SZ> and China Overseas Land < 0688.HK> , lending terms are getting tougher, bankers said. Some banks no longer extend credit unless borrowers provide sufficient collateral. And normally the loan they extend won't exceed 40 percent of the value of collateral a borrower provides. Chinese developers are virtually shut out of the overseas loan, credit and equity markets as Beijing has banned mainland companies from acting as a debt guarantor for their overseas units, and buying interest in Chinese high-yield dollar bonds has evaporated in light of a deepening European debt crisis. Chinese developers have raised nearly $9 billion in offshore bonds and $2.39 billion in offshore loans so far this year, nearly all in the first half. Meanwhile, offshore funding costs have been surging. A typical three-year loan for a medium-size Chinese developer is now quoted as high as 600 basis points (bps) all-in, compared with 400 bps early this year. The situation is similar in the bond market. Skyfame Realty (Holdings) Ltd < 0059.HK> this month agreed to issue HK$200 million in bonds due 2013 with a 20 percent yield to fund working capital, pay up a shortfall in registered capital of one of its project companies and repay loans. The yields are much higher compared with earlier this year. (Additional reporting by Kane Wu and Foster Wong of Basis Point in HONG KONG, Nethelie Wong of IFR in HONG KONG, and Hongmei Zhao and Xiaoyi Shao in BEIGING Editing by Brian Rhoads and Vinu Pilakkott)
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bh704428
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27-Sep-2011 12:58
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BTW where is that forumner shoemaker? early 2011 he kept posting in yanlord thread that those buying yanlord at $1.60plus will soon be laughing alll the way to the bank becos he said yanlord at 1.60ish is sooooo cheap and some more he said oredi averaged dowm many many lots from m1.80 down to 1.60ish...........He said this type of low 1.60ish price will very difficult to see gain when yanlord surges above $2 soon. | ||||
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dc16888
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27-Sep-2011 12:43
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Hi Bro, unable to predict, I trade according to R& S, strong buy at S, I run. Sorry. http://www.tradestockdiary.blogspot.com http://www.holistichealingnatural.blogspot.com
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bh704428
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27-Sep-2011 12:34
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1)do u think yanlord will fall to 50 ct to 45 cts within the next few mths? I changed to shorting yanlord a few weeks ago. 2) in the mid-term say 1 year period , do u think yanlord will even drop to 20 cts to 30 cts region? Remembered last time synear was also an above $2 stock but now only abt 13 cts.
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leslieehy
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27-Sep-2011 12:25
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I Dont think it will ever go back up to 0.84 cts any more.. | ||||
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dc16888
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27-Sep-2011 11:46
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I traded(long) yanlord when is was uptrend, since sold it around 2.7-2.8, the trend has been changed, turned to trade short, all the way....0.7+ http://www.tradestockdiary.blogspot.com http://www.holistichealingnatural.blogspot.com   |
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Howe123
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26-Sep-2011 22:44
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Many young sinki forumners(especially those that only started in stocks a few years ago forgot the " Mother of ALL stock crash counter" if count from  a stock's high to its lowest in terms of % plunge is not a s-chip, this dubious title very likely will go Charted Semicon, a spore's blue chip, which crashed from $19 to below 20 cts, just go count in terms of % plunge it's so horrendous.. They were really quite many people that bot a lot of CSM and held for long term at the $7 to $5 range , they believe how can a spore blue chip go wrong. Creative also quite jia lat, from above $60 to current price. |
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rotijai
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25-Sep-2011 17:49
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master xing.. we only " advise" once.. if other forumers think that they are greater (they can be true, afterall we only advise based on our experience and can be because we are noob, dunno how to trade s-chips)... it's better to keep quiet :)
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Self-centredGenY
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25-Sep-2011 17:40
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I alrdy used my cousin's real case of profitting 2800% by buying cosco and holding long-term(somemore she still gained this 2800% in cosco  even though she did not sell at cosco's TOP) to prove your prejudiced ignorant remark was wrong.(your latest prejudiced remark u still saying never buy s-chips to hold mindset). From human beings to  the various nationalities to stocks(in this case s-chips), there will always be a combination of good ones and bad ones in every group. Only very ignorant, self-centred prejudiced frog-in-the-wells will stereotype that  MUST AVOID a particular group AT ALL TIMES. 
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xing78
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25-Sep-2011 15:31
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relax bro, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. dunno why you are so agitated.
there is nothing wrong if you buy s chips and make money. i just give warning here for buy n hold investor. if you are free, why not meet up for some drinks later. no point wasting time to argue here. i dont stand to gain anything by posting in this forum anyway. dunt buy s chip with buy n hold mindset. it is not worth the risk.
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iPunter
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25-Sep-2011 15:06
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When S-chips, or for that matter any stocks, make a come-back       and rise in future, the crowd will be sure to be tripping over                     each other to grab a part of the action  ... |
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Self-centredGenY
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25-Sep-2011 14:53
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You this unrepentant shameless tougue-twisting snake again twisting and turning to digress. Yr initial postings u said the highly-offensive/prejudiced/ stereotype remark "   AVOID s-chips AT ALL TIMES." Then  when I checkmate u, u changed to  ANY counter if bot at right time, ANY counter also WILL MADE PROFIT" . But earlier u said AVOID s-chips AT ALL TIMES. Now u  twist again for the uptemth time to change to say u are fine with china counters , just that u want go for best counters if wan buy, You are crazy talk-cock! Most local investors cannot buy China  A shares. Any counter that at the right time able to yield the highest returns compared to other shares listed in SGX, we all can and should buy, must not and should not have ignorant frog-in-well discrimination such as u that oh S-chips AT ALL TIMES MUST AVOID. How u explain my cousin's entire 23 years of investment hostory her BEST HIGHEST RETURN stock that she invested in was COSCO, yielding her a whopping 2800% return, she also mad emoney in blue chips but the blue chips's returns pale in comparison. Then according to yr lastest twisted remark that if buy must only buy the best, Then you this liar might as well as say if one wants to buy shares then should only buy those shares listed in DOW JONES, And AVOID all stocks including the so-called blue-chips listed in SGX becos stocks in SGX always are 2nd-fiddle to theri counterparts stocks in other more established stock exchanges and when other indexes like HSI and DOW SUPER-SURGING, our STI index always laggards and is never a leader and often no strength and need to take cues from the leaders such as DOW, HSI, NIKKEI AND SSE..
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xing78
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25-Sep-2011 13:47
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i am not against buying china counter.
when i am working in china during 2005 to 2008, i also bought many china A share with good gains. if you want to buy, please buy the best ones listed in china or hong kong instead.
please do not go out of topic.
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Self-centredGenY
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25-Sep-2011 13:03
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My earlier postings detailing both my cousin's and my own investment encounters with 3 S-chips Cosco, Yanlord and Pfood had alrdy proven you are wrong becos we had profitted greatly from these 3 s-chips
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Self-centredGenY
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25-Sep-2011 12:40
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if the gen Y is angry with policy, then should just 1)criticise the policy  or 2)voice disapproval against the ENTIRE group of new immigrants/FTs from ALL the VARIOUS different countries that are working in spore and should not ONLY UNFAIRLY SINGLE OUT ONLY newcomers from China and India to attack and flame ONLY these 2 comuunities due to these Gen Y'S own hidden prejudices and hidden agenda
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