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warrenbegger
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30-Sep-2011 23:32
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In order to success in stock control and be a true professional. U must master FA, TA, Astromancy, Taromancy, Runecasting, Numerology, Geomancy, Face Reading, I-Ching divination and Feng shui position. Learn to control green dragon 69 with white tiger in line of solar eclipse during sky of backside. Learn why 12 idiot animal running around naked with no X control. Study Sun Tzu art of war to MassP with your enemy and use 36 stratagem to run road if fail. Stock is not easy, got a lot of rubbish to study. In the end maybe still kanna rape :) |
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warrenbegger
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30-Sep-2011 23:17
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Roar  !!! I am a Tiger !!!   |
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warrenbegger
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30-Sep-2011 22:32
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LOL :) Shark Fin!!! Huat Ahhh!!!!!!!
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louis001
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30-Sep-2011 22:30
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Be a fisherman in the market, catch the shark and turn it to delicious food on table...LOL. |
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warrenbegger
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30-Sep-2011 22:08
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Market is unfair, Willing player, willing loser... U want to be the shark or be the food?   :) |
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Joe2020
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30-Sep-2011 08:40
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Special Report: " Rats" and " black mouths" gnaw at China stocksSHANGHAI (Reuters) - Even before China's great stock market bull run of 2006-2007, Wang Jianzhong had become known as China's " god of stocks" for his prescient picks. Such was his influence at the market's peak that reports by his company, Beijing Shoufang Investment Consulting, republished in dozens of influential newspapers and websites, were themselves often cited as a reason for a particular share price rising. By late 2006, it was generally expected that whichever companies Wang recommended in his columns would be among the biggest gainers the next trading day in the Shanghai and Shenzhen markets. Wang knew it as well, and put that knowledge to use. Between January 2007 and May 2008, Wang bought shares in 38 companies, wrote reports on them, and then unloaded the stocks after his recommendations helped lift their share prices. It was a lucrative ramping scheme. In 55 separate transactions during that time, Wang earned 125 million yuan ($19.5 million), according to regulators. The financial sleight of hand has now given him the dubious distinction of being China's first convicted stock market manipulator. He was sentenced in August to seven years in prison and fined 125 million yuan, on top of having illicit earnings of the same amount confiscated. While his case went hardly noticed in the Western media, Wang is now known as China's most famous " black mouth" -- a Chinese expression for a commentator who manipulates the market by talking up companies in which they have taken stakes. Wang's case is just one high-profile example of widespread wrongdoing in China's capital markets, according to eight industry insiders interviewed by Reuters. The shady practices not only hurt millions of retail investors but create challenges for the foreign money managers and investment banks that invest their clients' cash in mainland Chinese equities. Employees of Chinese brokerages, fund managers, and company executives are among those engaged in illicit activities, ranging from falsifying numbers on listing prospectuses to insider trading, the industry sources said. These disclosures about how the markets are being manipulated follow a Reuters investigation into accounting fraud at Chinese companies listed in North American exchanges. The accounting scandals exposed a subculture of bookkeeping shenanigans in Chinese finance, underscoring the dark side to the explosive growth of China's nascent financial markets and the risks to investors entering them. FALSE IPO DATA One of the most common of the illegal stock trading practices is including false figures for revenue and other data on IPO prospectuses, said one senior manager with a brokerage firm based in eastern China. " It's just a bunch of bosses meeting up and filling in the forms. 'What kind of price do you want? We'll get you that price,'" said the source, who asked not to be identified for fear of repercussions. " Often it's because someone's kid is doing a certain business, so if I help him with an IPO now, he might help me with something else down the road." Another practice involves collusion between company executives and major institutional investors. They get together ahead of a planned secondary share offering, and agree to ensure the company's share price performs well enough to attract demand for the offering. The investors then dump the shares after the offering when the share price has reached a high enough level. Along the way, commentators help talk up the stock among retail investors amid well-timed releases of positive news on the company, said another industry source, again on condition of anonymity. " We'll set it up for them. Everyone will get together in a room and work out a schedule," the source said. " We'll know when the stock will reach a certain point, and set a target for when those involved will aim to get out." The source declined to give names of particular companies affected by such practices for fear of incriminating his firm. But it is not uncommon to see share prices of some listed companies, especially smaller firms listed in the southern boomtown of Shenzhen, experience massive run-ups followed by precipitous falls after a secondary offering. To be sure, that type of scheme is facilitated by the herd mentality of China's retail investors, who account for some two-thirds of stock market turnover and are known to trade on very short-term horizons based less on fundamentals than on daily rumors about policy support for certain sectors or deals by individual companies. The sheer amount of effort the China Securities Regulatory Commission (CSRC) has devoted to combating the problem of insider trading is one indication of the extent of the problem. The CSRC has in the past year published more than half a dozen statements about insider trading on its website, in addition to holding symposiums on the issue, after China's cabinet ordered a crackdown late last year. The CSRC declined repeated requests for comment. But the regulator said in a statement on its website (http://www.csrc.gov.cn) this month that it had taken on 83 new cases of market malpractice in the first half of this year, including 45 cases of insider trading. " In the second half, with changes happening in market conditions and uncertainty in the external environment, illegal activities will take on new forms," CSRC warned in the statement. The regulator said " it will continue to prioritize the crackdown on insider training ... 'rat trading' and illegal information disclosure." RATS' NESTS The misuse of private trading accounts by mutual fund managers is a practice, which like that of " black mouths," is common enough to have been given a colorful nickname in Chinese: " rat trading." The rats are fund managers who buy securities in their own personal trading account ahead of large purchases of the same security by their fund house, hoping to profit from a rise in the share price from their firm's larger transactions. The CSRC has been especially cracking down on this practice because it is holding back the development of the mutual fund industry. In one illustrative case, the regulator meted out punishment to Huang Lin, former money manager at Franklin Templeton Sealand Fund Management Co in Shanghai. Using an account in an associate's name, Huang, 32, bought or sold stocks from May 2007 to July 2008 ahead of transactions in the same stocks by the mutual fund he managed, the CSRC said. Ironically, the 15 illegal transactions, which involved eight stocks, including Ningbo Huaxiang Electronics < 002048.SZ> and Huafa Industrial < 600325.SS> , resulted in a loss for Huang of 54,000 yuan, according to the watchdog, which said it collected evidence from trading and chatroom records. The regulator barred him from working in the fund industry and fined him 300,000 yuan. In the mutual fund industry, perhaps more than anywhere else, investor distrust is holding it back. The fund industry's assets under management have fallen steadily, to the point their equity holdings now account for only 19 percent of China's total trade able share capitalization, down from a third in 2007, according to Huatai United Securities. " I suspect 'rat trading' has been quite rampant in the industry and only a fraction of such malpractices have been caught," said Zhang Haochuan, head of research at fund consultancy Z-Ben Advisors. " This has certainly hurt the industry's growth." The reluctance of small retail investors to entrust their cash with professional money managers has, in turn, helped perpetuate a speculative investment culture that almost guarantees a volatile market, with amateurs engaged in herd-like day trading. With distrustful investors avoiding mutual funds, the market is starved of stable long-term stock investments, the type that has helped support more mature markets. That is at least one reason why China's stocks have not performed in line with record corporate profits and booming economic growth, which has averaged in the double digits for most of the last decade, analysts say. The Shanghai Composite Index < .SSEC> fell 14 percent in 2010, when it was one of the world's worst performers despite the more than 10 percent growth in the economy. It is down another 14 percent so far this year. CAUGHT IN OWN TRAP Sometimes the rats get caught in their own trap. In one example, real estate executive Qing Shaoqiu bought more than a million shares in the company he chaired, Shanghai Xingye Resources Holdings < 600603.SS> , just hours ahead of a share suspension, betting a merger his company was planning to announce would lead to a jump in share price. It ended up being scrapped due to adverse market conditions, leading to sharp falls in Xingye's share price. When trading resumed, Qing was stuck with a 2 million yuan loss. Not only that, last November the CSRC fined Qing, now 40, 200,000 yuan for insider trading, barred him for life from China's capital markets and banned from serving as an executive on any listed company for five years. Such practices pose huge headaches for the 116 foreign institutions allowed to trade on China's equity and bond markets through the Qualified Foreign Institutional Investor (QFII) program. Smaller companies can be especially challenging, many of them listed on the small- and medium-sized enterprise board and Nasdaq-style " innovation board" in Shenzhen, bordering Hong Kong. Their share prices are easier to influence by virtue of their smaller size, analysts say. The CSRC has strict reporting requirements for the more than 2,200 companies listed in Shanghai and Shenzhen, but many analysts question the quality of the data, especially that of the smaller companies. " You have some pretty creative accounting techniques that Chinese companies often use," said Kent Kedl, managing director of Greater China and North Asia with consultancy Control Risks. " Some will have one set of books internally, one set of books for the tax authorities, and another one to potentially show investors. It's a pretty common thing." That makes it essential for foreign investors to have an on-the-ground presence to oversee investment targets, said Ching Shao, chief executive and co-founder of the SMC China Fund in Shanghai. " You really need to do your own due diligence," she said. " Not only talking to the companies, but going to talk to their competitors, their enemies, their suppliers -- the people who conduct business with them," she said. " That's really the very reliable source." TOUGHER PENALTIES Companies have gone to unusual lengths to corner any " rat traders." " When you come in at 8:30 in the morning, you hand over your mobile phone. Then from the time you walk into your office to the time you sit down at your workstation, you're on camera," one fund industry source said. " Once you log in, you're getting screen shots of your desktop every three or seven seconds. But what's the reality? Everybody's got three mobile phones because their line is recorded, so they use their mobile phones. And it happens a lot." The problem is part of a much larger China syndrome. Whether it's food safety or rampant counterfeiting, those who want to cheat or cut corners will usually find a way around any restrictions, because enforcement resources are so woefully inadequate. Industry participants have called for stiffer penalties for offences, and some point to the increasing trend of criminal penalties, including jail terms such as Wang's, as a sign of progress. In many ways, the problems with China's markets are growing pains. The stock markets were established just over 20 years ago, and some of the problems of manipulation and insider trading that have cropped up also plagued more developed markets, especially when they were at a similar stage of development. FAIR PLACE TO GAMBLE Many retail investors shrug off the inherent disadvantage they face, with so many insiders privy to so much information that they are not. That includes the chronic leaking of important economic data, prompting the statistics agency to crack down on the practice this year. " This market isn't healthy, it isn't fair, but what can I do?" said Ms. Xu, a 56-year-old retired worker, monitoring the prices of shares she had bought at a brokerage in the eastern city of Hefei, in Anhui province. " I'm retired, and don't have much else to do. At least this way I can come here every day, have something to do, and the chance of making a little money," she said, surrounded by other retail investors, many of whom passed the time by knitting sweaters and playing cards. While some individual investors might be resigned toward the market manipulations, the Chinese government itself has much higher expectations, announcing plans to turn Shanghai into a global financial center by 2020. " Things have actually been improving quite a lot, especially for larger enterprises," said Geng Xiao, an economist who formerly worked for the Hong Kong Securities and Futures Commission and is now director of research for the Fung Global Institute in Hong Kong. But, he added, regulators need to do more to stamp out insider trading and other market malpractices. They need to provide better oversight, particularly of smaller companies, if they hope to make China's capital markets serve their ultimate function of channeling investment to the most deserving ends. They will never be able to erase the rambling-gambling nature of China's markets, he said. " I'm not against it being a casino, because it is in a way," he said. " But it has to be a fair, efficient casino. And then you can use that to diversify risk and allow people to help the real sector." |
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warrenbegger
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29-Sep-2011 23:30
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Thanks :) Market nowadays so EMO and  most of the sector like kanna whack hard. So i just bet on environmental sector and wish it will be a better choices in siao market. No matter what, we all need clean water to live. At least invest in a environmental stock make me more happy even it drop. (But dont drop too much la!)
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warrenbegger
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29-Sep-2011 23:17
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U dont need hundreds of ingredient to cook a plate of  delicious fried rice, If U know the arts, just a few ingredient will cook the best delicious fried rice u even taste. Is not about more or less to get the best result, is about..... :)
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iPunter
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29-Sep-2011 21:47
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Sifu is right... The simpler the system, the better.         Most  " gi shi gao sou" (skillful players) started with very complex                 systems involving very scientific mechanical indicators and 'idiotic' waves, etc.               Invariably, as they become more and more adept, they dump all their                                   indicators down the drain and trade only with very simple methods                                               which they themselves have developed... 
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New123
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29-Sep-2011 21:35
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No risk no gain. That really makes the diff. Hope you are into money this round!
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warrenbegger
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29-Sep-2011 21:27
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These 3 days i had been collecting this UE lau sai water quietly. I wish market let me hold longer. 100 lots at 0.290 and 0.295. Included this morning 27 lots of 0.290 (Dont know which idiot throw one? After that goes up to 0.305! LOL!!) I think water play is still worth playing if recession comes, everywhere need clean water to live. Let me test the water first, dont follow me, wait drown together :) |
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warrenbegger
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26-Sep-2011 22:53
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In this siao and rotten market, all great counter only got one place to go. Lim Chu Kang Condo... Or Kong Ming Bright Hill... |
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warrenbegger
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26-Sep-2011 22:46
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I took a gambler bet  before that last second firewall of botak ben talk. I wish he said something good but the more he said the more market lau sai, LOL! Lucky the counter i bets not so big up and down, and Lian Beng  save my backside, thanks for  analysis promotion. After i unload all still got some profit, i feel so lucky, is like a kind of ejection. Now even market crash i even more happy, bargain shopping. But now all depend on the last firewall, if that last wall also fail, god bless the wet market liao. Confirm recession and bear running around anyhow mate and give birth :)
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New123
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26-Sep-2011 22:32
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I think you have made the right choice of biting the short term pain and avoiding the long term struggle/worry. Dont know what is the economy/mkt going to be.Also I think is good to cut loss and hold some cash-on-hand and reaccess the mkt again before making the next move. I  think the mkt Now  is good for a quick enter and exit strategy (Sell in the  AM and  Cover back in the  PM or Buy and Sell for a quick profit).  Loss or Gain does not mean anything. Is just your own feeling how you look at it. Always choose to be Happy and be Cheerful . You decide whether you want a Happy day or a moody day...
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warrenbegger
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26-Sep-2011 22:09
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I had unload all holding in this siao market today !!! Everyday drop like shit can die very fast if long, long is the way to lim chu kang faster. Lucky got Lian Beng, close all still can win few hundreds for coffee money, if not i get in for nothing liao. Take care all, i wish U all good luck :)  |
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warrenbegger
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26-Sep-2011 22:03
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Many like complex strategy, They think is the only way to successful investing or trading. But many dont know that the best successful strategy can be so simple.
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iPunter
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25-Sep-2011 19:57
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Many have lived practically their whole life holding their           stocks 'forever'... only to see them rise to the top,                     and then slide all the way down to the previous bottom.                             And repeated several times during their life-time.                             The moral is: What's the point of investing                                                   if one doesn't sell?...
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Gaecia
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25-Sep-2011 19:37
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i knew it, dat  you adore us unconditionally.  ^_^  Thank you
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medivh
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25-Sep-2011 17:32
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how I know what animal you want to love you deep deep, and to kiss kiss + lick you,     you prefer orang utan or gorilla meh? hehee         if you really want those, I can get you a private pass to safari to africa,                ai mai? (want or not?)
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iPunter
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25-Sep-2011 09:59
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Actually, the secret to dealing with the stock market is         already been told over and over and over here in this forum...           Understandanbly, a bit of reasoning and reading                         between the lines will help.... lol... 
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