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cut loss or hold?
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iPunter
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10-Aug-2011 12:51
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Just like in shocking advertising/marketing, 'shocking things' are sometimes not that easily accepted by most... lol... 
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chris168
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10-Aug-2011 12:44
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LOL I like his humour too arr ... minus the obscenity. ya market is always there. Cut loss all this morning of abt 2k while it's still small loss.
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iPunter
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10-Aug-2011 12:14
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Sifu WarrenB. is serious, but he always let go good humour ... I like... lol...
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warrenbegger
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10-Aug-2011 12:05
Yells: "Anyhow Buy Anyhow Die ^_^" |
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Maybe i post too small liao, some blur players still cannot see. This warning within fews week that i post should be a justify reasonable time frame. Many like to talk after things happen, i like to talk before things happen. I am not a predictor or dog, the most is i can find is whats the best odds and ways to play. I like to give out early warning to protect others blur sotong in case some dont know. I also a strategic odds player and a S-chip promoter(LOL!) Just that i also like to talk cock sing rubbish so maybe others treat me like ah siao :) :)
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warrenbegger
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10-Aug-2011 11:41
Yells: "Anyhow Buy Anyhow Die ^_^" |
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There r some expert and pros here, just that they wont said they r because what they said will become others blur player tips. Wait they kanna F**K big big and spoil their names too if give wrong call. Many noises and good real advise here, just that many blur and not so good player dont know how to regonize them to use their warning or call. There's a saying Give earning tips to others no ones give u ang pao, give miss-kill losing tips kanna F88k till no tomorrow :)
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MasterNg9999
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10-Aug-2011 10:38
Yells: "Isnt Human center of the universe???" |
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Ouch... i have been screaming for the last 9 months about the weakness of the global market ... O.o ... Anyway ... you will have only 3 months of consistency for you to work on AFTER QE 3 i assume a short rally after Ah Ben open his golden mouth to say " QE3" then its hell on earth....... ANGMO HELL LEVEL 18  Cheer |
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iPunter
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10-Aug-2011 10:26
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The only expert is the market itself... All humans are simply betting and are at the mercy of the market. Whether we call it a casino or not, betting is still betting... ie. all are betting on the future... |
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Veera99
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10-Aug-2011 10:19
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One comment i sure agree is that there is no " Expert" here. Suddenly everyone has become so bearish and talking about all world problems. But whereas no one was talking about these in detail last week? I bet you if this rally continues for a week, everyone will forget about these problems and make all sort of " buy" calls. We have to be responsible for our loss and gain. I m sitting in huge paper loss as i couldnt cut on time. But that forced me to take long term approach. Today i made some money using this rally on some fresh trades. | ||||
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Andrew
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10-Aug-2011 09:03
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If you are in the market to make money ONLY. Then this is definitely not the place for you to play. Broker are at least in the market all the time. So who next ? You ? Or Your Best Friend ? Your Mother ? Or worse.....Your Neighbour ? Who can advise ? On whether I fell in love with a particular stock, read my other post and judge lor.
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andreytan
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10-Aug-2011 04:10
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My advise is take this rally which we will have till end of yr to clear off the mkt. Next year will be a yr of reckoning. I read elsewhere , alot of loan to recall for Spain and Itally, and with economy down,, 2 H global indicater are heading down, they got no means to pay and ECB and IMF combine also cannot save them. and on top of this, the top 3 financial institution in the US got large exposure to bank in Euro, dies dies, must dies . i believe even our bank here also got exposure, but a question of how large..we don't know. |
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andreytan
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10-Aug-2011 04:03
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Andrew, your sentence..." it is not how much you loss, it is about FA/TA hor." surprise me. first, we are certainly not in the mkt to lose. second, i believe this is a sentence from one who fall in love with the stock,. third, my broker,not remiser tell me he lost lot of money, last wk, what make u think broker are better trader?
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andreytan
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10-Aug-2011 03:56
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the author is trying to tell you ,this is a snap back rally, in another word, it is a technical rebound tonite, this is one of them, if you trade, it is ok, using stop, if u want to buy value, forget it, months form now you will look back and feel sorry. if you lived thro 2007., 2008 to March 09..you shd know, you shd know. |
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andreytan
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10-Aug-2011 03:51
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i will highlight for your benefit. In tough times it is always appropriate to go back to Kipling’s immortal poem “IF”. The market sold off sharply and crashed through a variety of support levels last week. The downgrade of the credit rating on U.S. debt Friday after the close has led to more selling today. At some point this day it will be official we’ll be in a bear market. Bear markets are officially hit when the major indexes pullback 20%. If it does or does not officially happen, have no doubt we arein a bear market. With 8% of stocks in the S& P 500 technically sound it is clearly tough to make money on the long side. Hopefully, you have lightened up on equities as these readings I give each week have deteriorated. Remember, better than 80% of the stocks in the S& P 500 were sound technically earlier in the year. With 8% of S& P stocks and 9% of stocks sound technically some may argue there are some good buying opportunities. This is the lowest level for these readings since March 2009. The absolute low for the readings were 1% for the S& P and 2% for the broader markets in October 2009. Do not attempt to be a hero here. The market is attempting to find a bottom. But, we are certainly in unchartered territory. The downgrade of US debt to AA+ from AAA is obviously a new twist to deal with. In a strong market you would normally use all pullbacks to add to strong stocks. In an awful market you would trim names on rallies. The market bottoming process is just that, a process. It takes a few months for the market to bottom. If you have raised cash this pullback has been painful, but manageable. Now do not throw the benefits of your discipline away trying to jump in and call a bottom. I believe there will be snap back rallies. If you want to gain exposure to those rallies by adding to equity exposure I believe you shouldn’t turn those trades into investments. If you trade for a bounce and it comes you should probably take your profits and wait for a more stable market to invest capital. Discipline – Training to act in accordance with rules.good luck u read those in blues.... first, the mkt have yet to find a bottom, it take some months second, don't make long term investement, be it blues chip or whatever, in a bear, as u witness last wk , even the blue of blues also become blue black. Don't listen to anyone saying, you hold index stock , never mind leave it, it will come back. do you know those who bought high way back are still sitting on losses till this day. wait, wait, wait till next yr, i will call you when mkt is truthly bottom, provided i am still ard, |
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andreytan
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10-Aug-2011 03:37
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Just ask yourself this.." is the problem solve???You have virtually the whole world in trouble, u tell me where do not have trouble? Japan( still struggling with post earthquake, radiation), China ( after so many tightening still got high inflation, tightening did not work but created more problem by increasing unemployment), ME ( u read recently abt Syria, but it is not a new problem, ME problem are still there except it is overshadow by Euro and US problem. And of course you have Euro and US, both are debt related. Euro debt, just a matter of time they will default, and Spain will go down first, too big to save. They got no means to pay . something like call you to take pay cut of 20% and the GST increase 20%..a good comparison, u think u can take it, harsh austerity measure. do u think ang mo can take these suffering, riot my friend, riot and chaos in the days ahead. Austerity cannot work , wait for default. You tell me how to be bullish with so many problems ard the globe. my opinion...which i read. and paste here for your decision making.. In tough times it is always appropriate to go back to Kipling’s immortal poem “IF”. The market sold off sharply and crashed through a variety of support levels last week. The downgrade of the credit rating on U.S. debt Friday after the close has led to more selling today. At some point this day it will be official we’ll be in a bear market. Bear markets are officially hit when the major indexes pullback 20%. If it does or does not officially happen, have no doubt we arein a bear market. With 8% of stocks in the S& P 500 technically sound it is clearly tough to make money on the long side. Hopefully, you have lightened up on equities as these readings I give each week have deteriorated. Remember, better than 80% of the stocks in the S& P 500 were sound technically earlier in the year. With 8% of S& P stocks and 9% of stocks sound technically some may argue there are some good buying opportunities. This is the lowest level for these readings since March 2009. The absolute low for the readings were 1% for the S& P and 2% for the broader markets in October 2009. Do not attempt to be a hero here. The market is attempting to find a bottom. But, we are certainly in unchartered territory. The downgrade of US debt to AA+ from AAA is obviously a new twist to deal with. In a strong market you would normally use all pullbacks to add to strong stocks. In an awful market you would trim names on rallies. The market bottoming process is just that, a process. It takes a few months for the market to bottom. If you have raised cash this pullback has been painful, but manageable. Now do not throw the benefits of your discipline away trying to jump in and call a bottom. I believe there will be snap back rallies. If you want to gain exposure to those rallies by adding to equity exposure I believe you shouldn’t turn those trades into investments. If you trade for a bounce and it comes you should probably take your profits and wait for a more stable market to invest capital. Discipline – Training to act in accordance with rules. good luck. |
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Andrew
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10-Aug-2011 01:01
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First thing, there is no expert here. Under such environment, I suggest you have a broker to assist you in your decision making. Broker hor....not remisier.Ya....online is cheap, DIY.......but........ Most blue chips can keep with a few exceptions. I have a run through with mine. So far opinion is in line. If you don't have a broker, you need to do a lot of read up. Make good use of this forum as a start point to do you reading or digging. It is not about how much you loss, it about the FA/TA hor BTW, which stock(s) you have ?
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medivh
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09-Aug-2011 23:36
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The choice is very clear. For new investors: 1) If no money, don't buy. 2) If got money, also don't rush and buy,.. research first. If butt itchy, always remember, people who sleep with itchy butt, wake up with smelly fingers.
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iPunter
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09-Aug-2011 18:53
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You can do 3 things... 1) Hold it... But if the market becomes worse, you may be losing more. 2) Sell it off... If you sell now, you will have lost money. It is hard for people to experience losing money. 3)You can pray that Cai Shen Yie (or whatever your brand) will let it go up for you to break even, and get out. But the problem is, when it does go up, you may not want to sell. (thus may disappoint Cai shen Yie)... |
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Veera99
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09-Aug-2011 18:33
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If your loss is more than 10%, my view would be hold. Sure there will be small pullback even if we are going to fall into a long term downtrend. You can use the pullback to cut-loss. Now i think its too late. I am also stuck with few counters, but i now have to take long term view (for 2-3 years) and i would take this view since i have invested only in index stocks. | ||||
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newtosgx
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09-Aug-2011 13:27
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Hi. I am new to this forum and I am new to investing. Recently just started investing. but so sad that the market is so red and down now resulting is so red. some advise me to hold while others advise me to cut loss. would like to hear from any expert's opinion here? thank you. | ||||
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