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elton81
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20-Jan-2011 22:52     
 
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icetomato      ( Date: 20-Jan-2011 21:44) Posted:

sure or not... i queued and got some more Noble today. later i need to hold 5 years also.

BullishTempo      ( Date: 20-Jan-2011 17:55) Posted:

Maybe tomorrow STI decide to bounce up!

Who knows?

Anyway Noble is a 2-cents buy-up. So looks like 2.25 is the lowest already. 
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ic1990
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20-Jan-2011 22:35     
 
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 Alert Admin 		waiting for GAR to retreat to 100dMA at 70c-71c or stochastic/rsi to turn up before entering.
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medivh
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20-Jan-2011 22:23     
 
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 Alert Admin 		People are looking towards China , the next powerhouse rather than US. Despite the drop in initial job claims which is good news, but it will still be in the red.
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rotijai
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20-Jan-2011 22:18     
 
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 Alert Admin 		NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. initial jobless claims fell more than expected last week and showed their biggest decline since February, in a hopeful sign for the U.S. labor market. KEY POINTS: * The number of Americans filing for first-time unemployment benefits dropped sharply to 404,000 from a downwardly revised reading of 441,000 in the prior week, the Labor Department said on Thursday. * The 37,000 drop in claims was the biggest since the week that ended Feb 6, when claims fell by 51,000. Analysts had expected weekly jobless claims to fall to 420,000. * A Labor Department official said the larger-than-expected decline was partly explained by jobless claims returning to trend after the big rise the earlier week, which may have been skewed by the holiday season. i hope this is good news
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icetomato
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20-Jan-2011 21:44     
 
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 Alert Admin 		sure or not... i queued and got some more Noble today. later i need to hold 5 years also.

BullishTempo      ( Date: 20-Jan-2011 17:55) Posted:

Maybe tomorrow STI decide to bounce up!

Who knows?

Anyway Noble is a 2-cents buy-up. So looks like 2.25 is the lowest already. 



elton81      ( Date: 20-Jan-2011 17:51) Posted:

U like that say I very sad.. Lol meaning more cheaper deals tomorrow for those I veste
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Citigold
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20-Jan-2011 19:18     
 
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 Alert Admin 		That strategy work too.But have to wait for 5 yrs or more later to know  it will succeed or not .

BullishTempo      ( Date: 20-Jan-2011 18:42) Posted:

Actually the easier way is the way of Warren Buffett and Peter Lim.

Buy a stock and hold for 5 to 6 years.

No need to monitor so much. 



Citigold      ( Date: 20-Jan-2011 18:33) Posted:

yea, with so miserable low interest rate for fixed deposits and ever increasing inflation,is better to put the market in the stock markets or bonds market.if not the money will "shrink" when we grow old.For me, i will set aside a portion of my monthly salary , profit from trading and dividend from stocks into defensive stocks & trading again,The cycle goes round n round .Coz these money will be my fresh bullets which will replenish my armory which will allow me to fight the battle one another.Coz i believe investing or trading in stock market is a prolonged war,a very long war till u think u r rich to quit .Smiley


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eastcivic
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20-Jan-2011 18:58     
 
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hmmm but surely one will get better after all the 'tuition fees'?

and then one fine day he/she when reconciling his/her trading account at month/quarter/year end he/she will see net profits :D



iPunter      ( Date: 20-Jan-2011 18:09) Posted:

You are right..

   But if one continues to play even after blowing (losing) one or more accounts,

      wouldn't one be continuing to pay 'tuition fees' as long as one continues to play?

         Considering human nature, it is unlikely for a person to stop playing after blowing an account/s... Smiley



eastcivic      ( Date: 20-Jan-2011 18:00) Posted:

hmmm for me, when i opened a cfd account for trading... i only deposited a small amount of money inside.....

any profits that i make, i leave it inside..... i tell myself not to top up this trading account....

worst case scenario is for me to lose all of this money.... and accept it as tuition fees? Smiley
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BullishTempo
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20-Jan-2011 18:42     
 
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Actually the easier way is the way of Warren Buffett and Peter Lim.

Buy a stock and hold for 5 to 6 years.

No need to monitor so much. 



Citigold      ( Date: 20-Jan-2011 18:33) Posted:

yea, with so miserable low interest rate for fixed deposits and ever increasing inflation,is better to put the market in the stock markets or bonds market.if not the money will "shrink" when we grow old.For me, i will set aside a portion of my monthly salary , profit from trading and dividend from stocks into defensive stocks & trading again,The cycle goes round n round .Coz these money will be my fresh bullets which will replenish my armory which will allow me to fight the battle one another.Coz i believe investing or trading in stock market is a prolonged war,a very long war till u think u r rich to quit .Smiley

epliew      ( Date: 20-Jan-2011 18:19) Posted:

citibank if u are really in for a long haul


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Citigold
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20-Jan-2011 18:33     
 
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 Alert Admin 		yea, with so miserable low interest rate for fixed deposits and ever increasing inflation,is better to put the market in the stock markets or bonds market.if not the money will "shrink" when we grow old.For me, i will set aside a portion of my monthly salary , profit from trading and dividend from stocks into defensive stocks & trading again,The cycle goes round n round .Coz these money will be my fresh bullets which will replenish my armory which will allow me to fight the battle one another.Coz i believe investing or trading in stock market is a prolonged war,a very long war till u think u r rich to quit .Smiley

epliew      ( Date: 20-Jan-2011 18:19) Posted:

citibank if u are really in for a long haul !

Citigold      ( Date: 20-Jan-2011 17:57) Posted:

Nt a bad idea.However,i go for more active strategy. Instead putting $50k into bank account.i will chose to buy high yield dividend defensive stock .And the company must have monopoly or is a leader of that business.For example;SPH,SMRT n etc.


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rotijai
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20-Jan-2011 18:22     
 
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euro now are all reds...

i am going to cut myself tmr
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BullishTempo
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20-Jan-2011 18:20     
 
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u mean cut-loss at 0.005 or 0.01 cent below support level?

Yeah that is usually the case. 



epliew      ( Date: 20-Jan-2011 18:14) Posted:

wow.... wealth of knowledge and i really like to learn more from you.....

just a question, you alway put a stop loss at a 0.05 cents level with support level...  is this part of the every counter risk mgt?

 



BullishTempo      ( Date: 20-Jan-2011 17:39) Posted:

I believe the usual way to do proper trading with risk management is this way :

Example :100k starting capital

Put half, ie. 50k tucked safely away in bank account, don't touch it.

Trade with the other 50k.

You make 5k with this 50k, now you have 55k.

Put half of the profits away in bank account.

Bank account : 52.5k, trading account 52.5k : total 105k

You trade using 52.5k. Lets say now u lose  3.5k, your trading account will have 49k

If you lose another 3k, your trading account now has 46k. 

Your bank account remains with 52.5k. Remember, never touch this money for trading.

Worst case scenario, you lose your entire trading account, and quit the stock market. You go home with your 52.5k in your bank. At least you are not in debt and can continue life normally with a job.

Losing your entire trading account also probably means the stock market is not for you.
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epliew
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20-Jan-2011 18:19     
 
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Citigold      ( Date: 20-Jan-2011 17:57) Posted:

Nt a bad idea.However,i go for more active strategy. Instead putting $50k into bank account.i will chose to buy high yield dividend defensive stock .And the company must have monopoly or is a leader of that business.For example;SPH,SMRT n etc.

Leinadgnow      ( Date: 20-Jan-2011 17:42) Posted:

lol ur thinking exactly the same as mine :D i did come out with a brief template for them when you were gone.. almost identical lol :P
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epliew
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20-Jan-2011 18:18     
 
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lose 25% will quit already....

 



BullishTempo      ( Date: 20-Jan-2011 18:12) Posted:

According to that rule, once a person loses 50% of capital.

Quit the stock market.



iPunter      ( Date: 20-Jan-2011 18:03) Posted:



The solid hard fact remains that -


    if one loses 50%  of a given amount,

       one needs to make back 100% in order just to break even.

           If it is so difficult to make even 50%,

              what are the chances of one being able to make 100%?

                  This fact alone should be enlightenng enough for even the

                      most optimistic stock player (ie. bettor) ... Smiley
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epliew
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wow.... wealth of knowledge and i really like to learn more from you.....

just a question, you alway put a stop loss at a 0.05 cents level with support level...  is this part of the every counter risk mgt?

 



BullishTempo      ( Date: 20-Jan-2011 17:39) Posted:

I believe the usual way to do proper trading with risk management is this way :

Example :100k starting capital

Put half, ie. 50k tucked safely away in bank account, don't touch it.

Trade with the other 50k.

You make 5k with this 50k, now you have 55k.

Put half of the profits away in bank account.

Bank account : 52.5k, trading account 52.5k : total 105k

You trade using 52.5k. Lets say now u lose  3.5k, your trading account will have 49k

If you lose another 3k, your trading account now has 46k. 

Your bank account remains with 52.5k. Remember, never touch this money for trading.

Worst case scenario, you lose your entire trading account, and quit the stock market. You go home with your 52.5k in your bank. At least you are not in debt and can continue life normally with a job.

Losing your entire trading account also probably means the stock market is not for you.



Citigold      ( Date: 20-Jan-2011 17:17) Posted:

Totally agreed.金玉良言。 股海浮沉，谁与主宰 ？。
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BullishTempo
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20-Jan-2011 18:12     
 
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According to that rule, once a person loses 50% of capital.

Quit the stock market.



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The solid hard fact remains that -


    if one loses 50%  of a given amount,

       one needs to make back 100% in order just to break even.

           If it is so difficult to make even 50%,

              what are the chances of one being able to make 100%?

                  This fact alone should be enlightenng enough for even the

                      most optimistic stock player (ie. bettor) ... Smiley
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iPunter
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You are right..

   But if one continues to play even after blowing (losing) one or more accounts,

      wouldn't one be continuing to pay 'tuition fees' as long as one continues to play?

         Considering human nature, it is unlikely for a person to stop playing after blowing an account/s... Smiley



eastcivic      ( Date: 20-Jan-2011 18:00) Posted:

hmmm for me, when i opened a cfd account for trading... i only deposited a small amount of money inside.....

any profits that i make, i leave it inside..... i tell myself not to top up this trading account....

worst case scenario is for me to lose all of this money.... and accept it as tuition fees? Smiley



BullishTempo      ( Date: 20-Jan-2011 17:47) Posted:

LoL really?

Anyway, this is common trading risk management. I didn't come up with this either. 
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The solid hard fact remains that -


    if one loses 50%  of a given amount,

       one needs to make back 100% in order just to break even.

           If it is so difficult to make even 50%,

              what are the chances of one being able to make 100%?

                  This fact alone should be enlightenng enough for even the

                      most optimistic stock player (ie. bettor) ... Smiley
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hmmm for me, when i opened a cfd account for trading... i only deposited a small amount of money inside.....

any profits that i make, i leave it inside..... i tell myself not to top up this trading account....

worst case scenario is for me to lose all of this money.... and accept it as tuition fees? Smiley



BullishTempo      ( Date: 20-Jan-2011 17:47) Posted:

LoL really?

Anyway, this is common trading risk management. I didn't come up with this either. 



Leinadgnow      ( Date: 20-Jan-2011 17:42) Posted:

lol ur thinking exactly the same as mine :D i did come out with a brief template for them when you were gone.. almost identical lol :P
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Citigold
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20-Jan-2011 17:57     
 
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 Alert Admin 		Nt a bad idea.However,i go for more active strategy. Instead putting $50k into bank account.i will chose to buy high yield dividend defensive stock .And the company must have monopoly or is a leader of that business.For example;SPH,SMRT n etc.

Leinadgnow      ( Date: 20-Jan-2011 17:42) Posted:

lol ur thinking exactly the same as mine :D i did come out with a brief template for them when you were gone.. almost identical lol :P

BullishTempo      ( Date: 20-Jan-2011 17:39) Posted:

I believe the usual way to do proper trading with risk management is this way :

Example :100k starting capital

Put half, ie. 50k tucked safely away in bank account, don't touch it.

Trade with the other 50k.

You make 5k with this 50k, now you have 55k.

Put half of the profits away in bank account.

Bank account : 52.5k, trading account 52.5k : total 105k

You trade using 52.5k. Lets say now u lose  3.5k, your trading account will have 49k

If you lose another 3k, your trading account now has 46k. 

Your bank account remains with 52.5k. Remember, never touch this money for trading.

Worst case scenario, you lose your entire trading account, and quit the stock market. You go home with your 52.5k in your bank. At least you are not in debt and can continue life normally with a job.

Losing your entire trading account also probably means the stock market is not for you.
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Hahaha... Thank you for understanding comments.

  Unfortunately, if indeed such a book were to be published,

     since I am in effect discouraging people from playing shares,

       I would expect much negative barrages from remisiers, etc,

           who have to make a living from ardent stock players.

              But  however, if one regards the stock market as a casino

                 in which one can derive much joy from merely playing the

                    game well (ie. not losing money), it is a very challenging game...Smiley



muifan      ( Date: 20-Jan-2011 17:10) Posted:

ipunter you give me an impression of a man/lady that had gone through many storms in life ( feng feng yu yu ). If I have connections to a publisher, I will jio you publish a "ipunter's illusion of trading" profit half half from sales of book. cheers, mf

iPunter      ( Date: 20-Jan-2011 17:03) Posted:

Assuming you managed, somehow or other, to recover what you have lost,

    I stlll hope you will not treat playing shares as a source of income.

      I say this because, as you become more and more skillful in playing shares,

         you will definitely not want to continue to make 'kacang' gains anymore.

            Thus, as your confidence and ability grow, you will not want to waste time.

                You will want to make in less than a week what you have been making in two or three months.

                   But unfortunately, the stock market does not work that way.

                      In fact, the more skilfull (and thus more confident) you are, the more you will likely lose.

                         Such is the nature of stock speculation. Do remember this forever... Smiley
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