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Property bubble to burst soon
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pharoah88
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01-Apr-2010 13:25
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Singapore's Property Tax will be like GST INcreasing fOrever by INFLATING Property Valuation from TiME tO TiME |
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niuyear
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01-Apr-2010 13:11
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Though i also think no bubbles coming, but, my only concern is property tax. This can escalate at the discretion of the government when they want to curb the property speculation. You own one private property and rent out but, if you need to fork out more than 25 or 30% property tax , thats where one will get burnt.
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pharoah88
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01-Apr-2010 13:04
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Does DEMOCRACY need DYNASTY EMPERORS ???? Do PEOPLE want DEMOCRACY or DYNASTY ????
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knightrider
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01-Apr-2010 12:45
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That is what Simon Cheong's point also, the demand is created by our Gov to keep the supply of land low. Totally agreed, no bubble burst, but will slow down only.
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Livermore
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01-Apr-2010 12:42
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I repeat again. There is no bubble. As I said, if you are behind the curve and don't provide enough supply to meet demand, this is what will happen. I shall not comment too much on this forum. Some of our problems are inter-related. Problems need to looked at as whole and not as isolated problems. | ||||
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knightrider
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01-Apr-2010 12:31
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This day will not come, sorry to be mean, you are just 1 direction day-dreaming. As some post below, pls read it. It will slow down the property prices from escalating but will not be a burst. Together combine and partner with my friend (50-50), we bought 1 unit at Citylight near lavender MRT, opposite the Passport office, in year 2007 at S$675 psf. And collecting rental of S$4800 monthly. Today, property keep knocking doors that someone is buying at that location at S$1300 psf. Is a 100% gain, but we are happy as the rental can self-sustain the mortgage and sinking and maintenance fees. This friend is rich in cash, he himself also have a unit at The Sail, a small unit, in 2007 he bought S$800 psf, I scolded him for stupid as that is just a 99 lease hold same as Citylight. Today, he handsomely sit on the growth, the rental is S$6800 and the asking psf of the The Sail, you can guess for yourself, easy S$2000 and above ! Last Dec, we partner again (he 80, i just 10 and another friend 10), we buy another property at Alexander area - the designer is HK movie star Maggie's ex-french boyfriend. 1 psf at S$1000, now already asking for S$1250 psf this month. Last month, before CNY, we partner again for the Softland condo, the old Eng Cheong Tower tear down, oppsite Citylight, (he 90, I 10), buy 1 unit at S$1050 psf, and now asking same price with Citylight (same location at Lavender) at S$1300. We just prepare and consider to sell off and not collecting the key, this is total new, no tenant yet ! I agree MBT need to step out early, not just put on a show. Eveyone read SC Global boss Simon Cheong, comments, I very agreed, if Gov put out a tender, then back-off because the price is too low, what a coward signal.Then if price now at Super high, then Gov laugh all the way to bank. The district 9 and 10 has yet to pick up to reach its peak yet ! Just share some of my thought, I think bubble is not bursting but slowing down is for sure !
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Luostock
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01-Apr-2010 12:15
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This may be a double-edge sword. If retirees want to change to a smaller HDB unit to get cash for the retirement may not enough when their children have their own flat and family. PRs are "meng long guo jiang". They work hard, more entreprenuer and daring (note that the Australians do not like Asians to work so hard in their country). Before 1995, PRs were not allowed to buy HDB from open market. Many of them were forced to buy private properties. 1 Pr bought one for $400K in Mohd Sultan area in 1986. When he retired in 1996, he sold for $1.3 million. He went back to Msia. Many Prs have private property as well as HDB bought from open market, while many locals of same salary bought directly from HDB, dare not to invest in private property. Prs who are concerned with their children's education and safety will not stay in JB if they have flats here. Locals can start off to buy directly from HDB using only CPF for loan repayment. Then save money to invest in private property to hedge against inflation. The banks pay interest at such miserable rate is at the mercy of the global effect that we cannot control. HDB must not act like Private developer as they have a duty to help the young local couples tohave a roof so that they are more willing have children/ more children/ at the younger age. Cut down the waiting time to less than 2 yrs.
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knightrider
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01-Apr-2010 11:55
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Ask wrong fellow, why ask OCBC ? Ask Gov when coming election !
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ar2ibrahim
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01-Apr-2010 11:43
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Property investment is a good hedge against inflation as you all know. But then, one must not go into the market at the wrong time i.e. at peak prices. However, it is difficult to pinpoint at what and when is "Peak Prices". But a general rule would be when people stop talking about property and stocks, like our our uncles and aunties, brothers-in-law, sisters-in-law etc. When people have bad or no opinion about property or stocks, IT IS the best time to invest. You can pick and choose you property at bargain prices. Make sure you buy within your limit. See and view 100 properties and buy one. Make sure the rental income can pay for your morgage and put some money in your pocket (passive income). In a few years the price will appreciate and you may keep and earn more rental income or sell for capital gains. |
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Moderate
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01-Apr-2010 11:34
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I think we need politicians to improve our lots, not to jam the highways and crowd the carparks. The Elite can rule only if they serve our ends, not their ends.
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AnthonyTan
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01-Apr-2010 11:10
Yells: "patience" |
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Ppls move forward,but, you want to move backward, haha |
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pharoah88
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01-Apr-2010 11:04
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OBAMA CHANGED USA and the WORLD in 2009. someone told me SINGAPORE CHANGED during the LAST ELECTION. SCHOLARS are no longer the CRITERIA for potential MP SELECTION. i was told there are now quite a number of nOn-Scholar MPs in Singapore. Also, when the Opposition recruited SCHOLARS in 2009, some VIPs [forgot who they were] warned that: TiME had CHANGED. SCHOLARS are nOt the BEST candidates who can SERVE the PEOPLE. implying that Opposition had recruited the WRONG STUFF. ALL these are just their Opinions and may be personal. TiME will TELL the TRUTH [TiME does not LIE and cannot HIDE TRUTH] who is RiGHT ? and who is WRONG ? Would non-Scholar MPs SERVE the PEOPLE BETTER? will Singapore RETURN to those days with Taxi Driver and the Like be MPs ? Grass Root People [GRP] are close to the ground and live the lives of the PEOPLE. would GRP MPs make a BETTER Singapore? would scholar-EMPERORS SERVE the PEOPLE better ? [heard that some scholars behaved like EMPERORS ????] TiME will be the BEST JUDGE
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AnthonyTan
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01-Apr-2010 11:02
Yells: "patience" |
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He is a smart guy staying in a condonimum but staying in govt. class C bed. It's a win win situation for him, hahaha |
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tankuku
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01-Apr-2010 10:50
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When the economic is in recession, the GDP drop and people suffer with low pay job and job lost. Generally, the financial crisis had already cause property price in US to drop by as much as 40% from peak which is logical. As mention by some earlier, propery is non productive and don't generate any form of products or create job. So it is basically a form of speculative investment like Leman brother structure deposit. Hope all of us learn from the collapse of the Leman brother. Don't make the same mistake to invest in property now. I agree that the global financial crisis had not cause property prices to moved down in 2008, 2009. But once it reach the equilibrium point, the adjustment cycle will start causing price drop. Again some say when recovery, prices sure cheong. Question is how long it take to recovery and is there a droble dip recession? So crisis property price is up by 35% now and when recovery it will move by another ??? %. It is possible? Brother and sister do be abit more prudent - better have some cash for retirement ,child education and medical use. Had come across one guy staying in condonimum but staying in govement class C bed --- really sad to see that. So be smart and follow the middle path - be happy, have a roof over your head - not to over stretch and save up for retirement. Good luck. |
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tankuku
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01-Apr-2010 10:49
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When the economic is in recession, the GDP drop and people suffer with low pay job and job lost. Generally, the financial crisis had already cause property price to drop by as much as 40% from peak which is logical. As mention by some earlier, propery is non productive and don't generate any form of products or create job. So it is basically a form of speculative investment like Leman brother structure deposit. Hope all of us learn from the collapse of the Leman brother. Don't make the same mistake to invest in property now. I agree that the global financial crisis had not cause property prices to moved down in 2008, 2009. But once it reach the equilibrium point, the adjustment cycle will start causing price drop. Again some say when recovery, prices sure cheong. Question is how long it take to recovery and is there a droble dip recession? So crisis property price is up by 35% now and when recovery it will move by another ??? %. It is possible? Brother and sister do be abit more prudent - better have some cash for retirement ,child education and medical use. Had come across one guy staying in condonimum but staying in govement class C bed --- really sad to see that. So be smart and follow the middle path - be happy, have a roof over your head - not to over stretch and save up for retirement. Good luck. |
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pharoah88
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01-Apr-2010 10:35
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From History, Emperors in CHINA used to have 3,000 wives. because they had to RE-produce 10,000 princes
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pharoah88
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01-Apr-2010 10:32
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According to Economics, a country is Extremely UNproductive if its GDP contribution is GROSSLY dOminated by prOperty and prOperty-related DRIVEN GROWTH. Property Driven Economy will Ultimately be TWISTED and TURNED Upside dOwn |
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pharoah88
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01-Apr-2010 10:25
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moderate has ENLIGHTEN WISDOM of the EXCELLENT LAO ZI ECONOMICS on the MIDDLE PATH. Property has NIL PRODUCTIVITY. Property scores ZERO for PRODUCTIVITY in ECONOMICS. that was the reasOn why the WEST NEVER push prOperty UNtil it was all started by the EAST. DECADES ago, the working people in US and Europe preferred to live in rented houses because property were considered as Wasting Assets which lost money over time. Because as houses age with wear and tear, they cannot be worth more. US and European companiess do buy properties in Singapore. The just lease for the same reason because they are nOt developers. JAPAN was the CULPRIT who started the EVIL PURSIUT to SOAR ZERO PRODUCTIVITY DRIVE IN PROPERTY PRICES. that is why JAPAN had fallen for two DECADES and will NEVER ReCOVER UNless JAPAN RETURNS ALL the ZERO PRODUCIVITY PRiCES back to SQUARE ONE. JAPAN had the 1st Property Credit sub-PRiME nOw is USA neXt is SingapOre ? ? ? ?
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niuyear
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01-Apr-2010 10:16
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hahaha! I vote you next up and coming new MP for sharejunctions - Your job description: To gather feedbacks from Sharejunctions and submit them to the Cabinet for discussion. hehehe!
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edward123
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01-Apr-2010 10:12
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Pharoah88... with your standard of English and the way you type your words? I think not. MP will take your letter to parliament as an example of how NOT to write a letter. Though I agree with the context of your post.
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