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30-Jan-2010 21:16

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Stay invested and calm....still the best policy ...

Published January 30, 2010

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The importance of staying invested

Many investors who exited market during the financial crisis and waited for the right time to enter are still sitting on cash

The problem with most investors is that we don't spend time doing a thorough financial audit but jump in and out of the market because someone invokes our greed or fear about an upcoming trend or financial holocaust that his 'crystal ball' tells him about.

THE last 12 months have been a humbling process for all in the investment advisory and management business. When the markets came tumbling down, most didn't see the storm coming. And when everyone predicted it to last for a long time, the financial markets recovered just six months later.

During the depth of the crisis, many 'experts' appeared and slammed the buy-and-hold strategy, advising investors to move to cash and wait for the right time to enter. Many who exited are still sitting on cash today.

Staying invested now seems to be a better idea. Those who suggested timing the markets seem to have disappeared overnight. Of course, there are a few who successfully exited and entered the markets again. But how many times can they be so lucky? For we all know that no one can be right most of the time. It remains to be seen what their investment results will be in the next 10 years by guessing the best time to invest. But going by history and plenty of research, I am not the least hopeful.

Having spent more than a decade in financial planning and wealth management across three crises (the Asian financial crisis, the tech bubble and the current crisis), I have concluded that the key to successful investing for most of us is to stay invested and keep investing.

Using time to ride through the volatility and using the average long-term returns of the market to get compounded returns is the best way to reach our goals.

But investors find it hard to believe that it is really so simple. We prefer to believe that there must be someone really smart out there who has a crystal ball, and can tell the future with great accuracy. Hopefully, the last 12 months have shown us that this is a fallacy.

Although the idea of staying invested and keep investing is simple, it is really difficult to execute. I know it sounds oxymoron, but let me explain. You need the three 'S' to be present:

Sufficiency mindset,

Strong financial foundation, and

Strong adviser.

Sufficiency mindset

When I asked investors why they are investing, most will give me a strange look and answer: 'To maximise the returns of my money, of course'. This is exactly the mindset that will cause you to time the market, to try and beat it so that you can get maximum returns.

Sufficiency is the opposite of greed. We should invest for the returns we need so that when the time comes for us to use the money, like retirement or funding our children's education, we have enough.

Understanding this helps us not to be greedy or take unnecessary risks, to stay invested and keep investing. This is because, all we need is the average long-term returns of the market, which more than a century of history has shown us that it is always there regardless of any crises. But it is difficult to achieve this mindset because of the sin of greed that is inherent in us.

Strong financial foundation

If we have enough rainy-day fund to tide us through an emergency, if we are not overly in debt, if we are good in our work and earn a reasonable good income, if we keep our expenses low and are able to save 10 per cent to 20 per cent each month, if we are not investing all our money away, if our insurance is well done up to protect us against all life risks, if we are physically healthy, if we have quite a long while before we need the money we invested, the ups and downs of the market means nothing to us.

We will be able to stay invested because our foundation is strong. The problem with most investors is that we don't spend time doing a thorough financial audit and jumped right in and out of the market because someone invoked our greed or fear about an upcoming trend or financial holocaust that his 'crystal ball' is telling him.

Strong adviser

As an investor, we need an adviser that is experienced and competent to instill that sufficiency mindset, helps us know what we really need and assess our financial foundation. He will then put together a suitable investment portfolio that will deliver the returns we need over the long term but yet not goes up and down beyond what we are psychologically and financially comfortable with. This is so that we can stay invested and not bail out halfway, because we feel like vomiting! He must have the moral courage to stay and hold on to us throughout the entire investment ride.

Unfortunately, over the last 12 months, I have come to know of many advisers who switched to selling properties, land banking products, insurances because 'this is a bad time to be selling investments'. They bailed out before the clients do!

I find having a strong adviser the most important of the three but yet the hardest to achieve. Over the past months, we have been looking for advisers who are competent and passionate to do good work, to grow our team. Candidates will come and say how passionate they are in providing good advice to clients but when they realised that they couldn't make big bucks fast in a firm that doesn't take commissions, they find a nice way to exit from the interview. That is how much passion costs!

People must realise that if you truly want to do good financial advisory work for the client, you cannot make big bucks fast unless you take big fat commissions and incentives at the expense of the clients. You will only make a comfortable income after some years when you have proven yourself to be competent and can retain the trust of your clients. But I guess, not many have that patience to wait. So it was an uphill task for us, especially when the banks are recruiting again.

The markets have generally risen over the past 10 months. Gauging by the crazy prices of properties in Singapore, everyone seems to be bullish again. But please do not let what we have gone through in the last 12 months go to waste. Be equipped with the three 'S' before we jump onto the investment bandwagon again.

The writer is CEO of Providend, Singapore's sole fee-only independent private wealth management firm.

By Christopher Tan
CEO, Providend

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30-Jan-2010 21:13

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Ha ha, AK ever holding few of SGX avg 12.30, but not Cosco. Had dumped it early 08. Cosco's brother, Yangzijiang, AK cleared 20 of them last Oct liao.....Still got other storries lah, if follow my post closely.

Of course, I will admire those who still holding them at such px and they were braved enough not be perturbed when both shed to 0.605 n 4.15 on 9 Mar 09 when STI slided to yrs low of 1455.47. They were not wrong, as there is a deemed good parrot cry being used for yrs in stock investment "If Market Down, dun throw the share, keep them, as they will go up again one."

Anyway, everyone got their own investment strategy, there is no right or wrong one. But the fundamental of being experienced n vigilant are paramount important, if exposes to stock investment.

Cheers.

gabjen ( Date: 30-Jan-2010 20:35) Posted:

Listen to all these FA and you might still be holding on to $8 Cosco or $16 SGX etc etc.

AK_Francis ( Date: 30-Jan-2010 12:18) Posted:

They can say wat they want, as MFT is a free title in investment circle. AK would rather not so chock, if they claim 0.80, d last Right px. Cheers

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30-Jan-2010 21:11

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God knows,it might or might not,if anyone the can telll you the definite answer, he will be a very rich man and all these analyst don't need to write report for a living.Can Citi or Goldman predict the price of their shares now back in 2006?

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30-Jan-2010 21:05

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in short no one knows anything sigh lets see how the market behave

sharez ( Date: 30-Jan-2010 21:03) Posted:

Today Zaobao says Nomura Securities Co.,Ltd.(野村证券) set target of Genting to 0.77, I guess it want to buy,

27 Jan 2010, CIMB-GK Securities Pte Ltd set it target to 1.50, I guess it want to sell at high... ... (but I support this)

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30-Jan-2010 21:03

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30-Jan-2010 20:52

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but really meh short now a bit risky lei...maybe might really fall all way down to 80cent wont know but what are the chances???high ??

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30-Jan-2010 20:35

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Listen to all these FA and you might still be holding on to $8 Cosco or $16 SGX etc etc.

AK_Francis ( Date: 30-Jan-2010 12:18) Posted:

They can say wat they want, as MFT is a free title in investment circle. AK would rather not so chock, if they claim 0.80, d last Right px. Cheers.

Sporeguy ( Date: 30-Jan-2010 11:17) Posted:

Read today's St Times pg C33 (market summary pg), Nomura started coverage on Genting SP (Genting is pronounced in Hanyu Pinyin, not gent as in gentlemen if you do not wanted to be fleeced by malaysian salespersons in Malaysia) at price taget of 70c, why such wide diff from DMG ?

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30-Jan-2010 17:18

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downside 10% and upside 30%.... just my view..

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30-Jan-2010 16:57

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buy or short??????

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30-Jan-2010 16:32

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win-win... govt can't wait to collect taxes from the casino operator and singaporean ($100 per visit)... need the money for more stimulus packages...election coming

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30-Jan-2010 16:17

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These few days, there are always casino-related news.

It looks like RWS will be FULLY OPEN in time for Chinese New Year.

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30-Jan-2010 16:06

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technical rebound next week...sure..

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30-Jan-2010 12:18

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They can say wat they want, as MFT is a free title in investment circle. AK would rather not so chock, if they claim 0.80, d last Right px. Cheers.

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30-Jan-2010 11:17

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30-Jan-2010 10:51

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if they intend to open before CNY as soon as licence is awarded...then they may look for a HUAT date...only possible dates are 6 Feb or 8 Feb...at 8:18am HUAT ah! :D

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30-Jan-2010 00:10

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wondering if star cruises and genting membership cards can be used to accumulate points in the casino at sentosa... Smiley

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30-Jan-2010 00:04

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you guys got any prediction on gentingsp?

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30-Jan-2010 00:03

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Yah yah we also want VIP card.

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29-Jan-2010 23:52

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Wah, power, VIP Card? Means hotel discount or even free? RWS will given u $2000 yrly membership free? Still got other places of attraction leh. Congrate.

Ha ha, BTW, can share d criteria, basing of share holders' holding or may be paying some admin fee to apply for RWS's VIP card? Cheers.

risktaker ( Date: 29-Jan-2010 23:17) Posted:

Genting :) Going to visit RW again this weekend. Sibei Song go there when I hold so much Shares :P I got VIP CARD !

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29-Jan-2010 23:17

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Genting :) Going to visit RW again this weekend. Sibei Song go there when I hold so much Shares :P I got VIP CARD !

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