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Stocks Correction Mid September to Early October
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07-Oct-2009 13:57
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A U.S. Federal Reserve official said on Tuesday that while the U.S. economy is clearly rebounding, it is too soon to begin to withdraw the Federal Reserve's massive support. Good move :) That will further stir the market sentiments upwards :) |
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07-Oct-2009 08:55
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We are talking in general that it takes 5.5 yrs from bottom to bottom. Japan is a special case bcos of their protectism, too many layers of middleman for import stuff to make it very expensive. They also create product of higher quality for themselves such as TV which prevent bad eyesights (in past when Cathode-Ray tubes were used). It is generally their protectism that cause Japan to be in a state of no improvement in their economic and financial situation. So Japan is a bit artificial,not the norm. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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07-Oct-2009 00:18
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factors which caused tis crisis r diff frm those of others...5.5 yrs 4 bottom 2 bottom did not take place in japan's lost decades [since 1990]...u r correct if it is one of those previous recessions [except, of course, d grt deprssn].
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07-Oct-2009 00:03
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Fidelity’s Bolton Predicts ‘Multi-Year’ Bull Market (Update1) By Bernard Lo and Michael Patterson Oct. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Sustainable economic growth and low interest rates worldwide will spur a “multi-year” bull market in equities, led by developing nations, said Fidelity International’s Anthony Bolton. “Low growth means low interest rates, and actually that’s one of the best environments for stock-market investing,” Bolton, president of investments at Fidelity International, which oversees about $141 billion, said in an interview on Bloomberg Television in Hong Kong. “Anything that can show growth in this low-growth environment is going to be bid up by investors. It’s very pro the emerging-market world versus the developed world.” Policy makers in the U.S. and Europe will keep interest rates low for another year even as Australia’s central bank unexpectedly raised rates today, Bolton said. He’s “particularly optimistic” on Chinese stocks because the government will foster sustained economic growth without fueling inflation. Bolton’s view contrasts with New York University Professor Nouriel Roubini and Elliott Wave International Inc.’s Robert Prechter, who have said shares are poised to retreat. Pacific Investment Management Co.’s Bill Gross predicted low economic growth will restrict annual stock returns to 5 percent, while Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz said investors have been “irrationally exuberant” about an economic recovery. Stock Rally The MSCI Emerging Markets Index has climbed 62 percent this year on expectations that developing nations will lead a rebound in the global economy from its worst recession since World War II. Emerging-market economies may grow 6 percent next year, compared with 1.8 percent growth in advanced nations, according to HSBC Holdings Plc. The MSCI emerging markets gauge climbed 1.5 percent as of 12:23 p.m. in London as higher commodity prices boosted earnings prospects for producers and HSBC said its purchasing managers’ index for developing economies posted its biggest gain in more than a year. The MSCI World Index of developed nations, up 21 percent this year, gained 0.9 percent today. Bolton, Fidelity’s first fund manager in Europe, said on March 11 that the U.K. equity market was at or near its lowest point. The nation’s benchmark FTSE 100 Index, which tumbled 31 percent in 2008, bottomed on March 3 and has since rallied 45 percent. Bolton dumped his holdings of telecommunications stocks in the first quarter of 2000 at the height of the industry’s bull market. Bolton’s Special Situations Fund beat the FTSE All-Share Index on an annual basis by 6 percentage points from 1979 through 2007, according to Fidelity. Fidelity International is the London-based affiliate of Fidelity Investments, the world’s largest mutual-fund company. To contact the reporter on this story: Bernard Lo in Hong Kong at blo2@bloomberg.net; Michael Patterson in London at mpatterson10@bloomberg.net. Last Updated: October 6, 2009 07:58 EDT
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Sporeguy
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06-Oct-2009 23:51
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Bottom to bottom usually takes 5.5 yrs. So Mar 2009 +5.5 years would make 2014 Sept a serious bottom. Generally the long term uptrend is less steep than the down trend. thus it takes more than half of 5.5 yrs to reach the peak, i.e about 3 years from Mar 2009 i.e around Mar 2012. In between from bottom to peak there are 5 waves. Also in between there are the 3 possibilities in the other thread.
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lookcc
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06-Oct-2009 23:06
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good likelyhood. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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06-Oct-2009 22:44
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Look at European market, the major market almost all up more 2%, the bull really come back!hope Dow also up more 2% | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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lookcc
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06-Oct-2009 22:43
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bulls do sell when mkt down, bears also buy [close positions] when mkt down. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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lookcc
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06-Oct-2009 22:38
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bulls wud buy when mkt up, bears also short [cfd] when mkt up. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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06-Oct-2009 22:26
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When talking about 'entering the market', one needs to specify whether it is to buy or to sell ... Because when there are two persons deciding, One will be happily buying, and the other will be happily selling...
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lookcc
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06-Oct-2009 22:22
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wat a yr it wud then be.
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06-Oct-2009 22:08
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Time to enter the market :) Tomorrow | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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smartrader
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06-Oct-2009 21:59
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crash or correction ? Mother of all rallies is in 2010 --- a year where most humanity and peace can be felt through the globe.. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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risktaker
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06-Oct-2009 21:56
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end feb 2010 will be bad :) totally agreed
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lookcc
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06-Oct-2009 21:52
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mkt crash, shud it occur, wud b feb nxt yr. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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richtan
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06-Oct-2009 21:25
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Relax, this is just some correction, not mkt crash nor end of the world yet. Is October correction inevitable?Commentary: Not if you study patterns of crash yearsBy Ethan Anderson GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. (MarketWatch) -- Most investors seem braced for a big correction, but in my experience the majority is usually wrong. TRADING STRATEGIES: OCTOBER Will the bull survive? October is best known for spectacular market crashes. At the very least, the month's volatility can spook many investors. But many of our experts say there's good reason to remain in the market, despite whatever jitters you may have. • Karabell: What about the China effect? • Is October correction inevitable? • Time to take a stand on rally • Eliades: March lows may come back • Hennessey: Not as bad as everyone thinks October may be a negative month, but it's usually more in the range of 3% to 5%. The Octobers of 2008 and 1987 were the two biggest October sell-offs of the last 30 years, but each was preceded by a negative September. This year, September was positive. During past October sell-offs, the month didn't represent the first wave of the attack. May and June often paved the way. October then stepped up to wipe out the survivors who believed the worst was over. Again, we did not see major selloffs in May or in June. In fact, this past June marked the fourth consecutive month of gains. If we do sink lower in October, the catalyst can easily be the lack of top-line growth in earnings reports. However, if top-line growth is present, it can be another factor driving the market up in October. To play devil's advocate, I must point out that six months after the market bottomed in 1987, the market was 21% higher. After the 2002 bottom, it was 24% higher. Today, we are 58% higher than we were in March. This is a significant jump. To prepare investments for October, consider diversifying with a prudent amount of truly non-correlated asset classes like Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS), commodities such as precious metals, managed futures and inverse funds. If you have already pulled significant assets out of the market and are sitting on the sidelines, get back in but not all at once. Dollar-cost-average back into a diversified portfolio in order to avoid buying in on the worst day of the year, and consider tactical asset allocation programs for a small percentage of your portfolio. On the fixed income side, TIPS is a good way to get some income and inflation protection. The Fidelity Floating Rate Bond Fund /quotes/comstock/10r!ffrhx (FFRHX 9.32, -0.01, -0.11%) still looks attractive. Blackrock Global Allocation /quotes/comstock/10r!mdlox (MDLOX 17.30, -0.25, -1.43%) is a wonderful fund with multiple asset classes. For equities, Tom Soviero and some of the rest of the folks over at Fidelity Leveraged Company Stock Fund /quotes/comstock/10r!flvix (FLVIX 25.65, -1.12, -4.18%) are some of the best in the business, as is the team running the Kinetics Paradigm Fund. /quotes/comstock/10r!wwnpx (WWNPX 19.19, -0.57, -2.89%) Ethan Anderson is a senior portfolio manager with Rehmann , one of the largest accounting, financial services and consulting firms in the Midwest. Anderson sits on Rehmann Financial's Investment Research Committee and has been recognized as a "5 star" portfolio manager by Morningstar Inc
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richtan
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06-Oct-2009 21:23
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Oct. 1, 2009, 12:01 a.m. EDT · Recommend ·
Are you in the rally, or out of it?Commentary: It's time to make a choiceBy Tom Lydon NEWPORT BEACH, Calif. (MarketWatch) -- These days, no matter what the markets do, there are still those naysayers who are sticking to their guns with admirable tenacity. TRADING STRATEGIES: OCTOBER Will the bull survive? October is best known for spectacular market crashes. At the very least, the month's volatility can spook many investors. But many of our experts say there's good reason to remain in the market, despite whatever jitters you may have. • Karabell: What about the China effect? • Is October correction inevitable? • Time to take a stand on rally • Eliades: March lows may come back • Hennessey: Not as bad as everyone thinks Following the bear market of 2000-2002, investors had a similar tone. Everyone said the 2003 rally couldn't continue and that, sooner or later, the markets would go "splat" once again. But that scenario never materialized. Instead, major markets recovered nicely in the last three quarters of 2003 and made those looking for an September/October correction look silly. Will this time be different? Is this rally for suckers? When this recession hit, investors began a mass exodus from the market that ultimately sank the major indexes to their lowest levels in nearly a decade. By 2008, they were practically trampling each other in a race to the exits as Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers collapsed and the government stepped in with a massive bailout package designed to prop up what was clearly a critically ill economy. Since the market's low earlier this year, investors have been slowly but surely returning. Despite how many rally doubters remain, some of them already have thrown up the white flag of surrender and taken equity positions. Yet most investors don't believe this recovery is real. Missed opportunityStill, to sit out and pooh-pooh the rally is to miss a major opportunity for gains, as well as a missed opportunity to make up what was lost in their battered portfolios. Investors hiding in the safety of money market funds aren't making anything from those paltry yields. The markets have been steadily improving for much of this year, and all signs say that while the recovery may be a long, slow one, it will still be a recovery. Why? There's $4 trillion on the sidelines, and as that money trickles back in, the rally should continue. Earnings season is just around the corner, and while many corporate forecasts are on the cautious side, their actual numbers could be better than expected Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke has said the recession is "very likely over," and the Fed also is keeping interest rates at record lows for now in order to continue the pace of the recovery. While a full recovery in the United States could be months away, there are many areas that have been delivering handsome returns for months. Big gainsIt's important to pick your spots so you don't miss opportunities to participate in potential long-term uptrends. In this recovery, keep an eye on both those areas that are likely to perform well as countries begin to build up again, as well as those areas that were hardest-hit in the recession: Emerging markets: iShares MSCI Emerging Markets /quotes/comstock/13*!eem/quotes/nls/eem (EEM 37.95, +0.10, +0.26%) is up 84.1% off the market low Steel: Market Vectors Steel /quotes/comstock/13*!slx/quotes/nls/slx (SLX 50.31, -2.42, -4.59%) is up nearly 130% since the low Basic materials: iShares Dow Jones U.S. Basic Materials /quotes/comstock/13*!iym/quotes/nls/iym (IYM 52.62, -2.18, -3.98%) is up nearly 90% since the low Banks: Financial Select Sector SPDRs /quotes/comstock/13*!xlf/quotes/nls/xlf (XLF 14.29, +0.01, +0.07%) is up almost 140% since the low Real estate: iShares Dow Jones U.S. Real Estate /quotes/comstock/13*!iyr/quotes/nls/iyr (IYR 40.91, +0.05, +0.12%) is up almost 90% from the low
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richtan
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06-Oct-2009 21:21
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Oct. 1, 2009, 12:01 a.m. EDT · Recommend · No reason to be spooked by October this yearCommentary: But markets should be wary of IranBy Robert Maltbie LOS ANGELES (MarketWatch) -- While some might get spooked by an often-volatile October, signs are that the markets are in strong shape. TRADING STRATEGIES: OCTOBER Will the bull survive? October is best known for spectacular market crashes. At the very least, the month's volatility can spook many investors. But many of our experts say there's good reason to remain in the market, despite whatever jitters you may have. • Karabell: What about the China effect? • Is October correction inevitable? • Time to take a stand on rally • Eliades: March lows may come back • Hennessey: Not as bad as everyone thinks As for our neutral indicators, they are "sentiment" indicators showing that volatility and possibly fear have greatly diminished. This is evidenced by the CBOE volatility index /quotes/comstock/20m!i:vix (VIX 28.27, +2.66, +10.39%) which has retreated to 23 from a high of more than 80 a year ago when we were in free fall. Offsetting this is a bullish AAII pundit survey showing investment advisors are bearish, perhaps bracing for "seasonal harshness," by 39% bulls to 45% bears. Big-time mergers by Walt Disney Co. /quotes/comstock/13*!dis/quotes/nls/dis (DIS 27.46, +0.10, +0.37%) , Abbott Labs /quotes/comstock/13*!abt/quotes/nls/abt (ABT 49.47, +0.79, +1.62%) and Dell Inc. /quotes/comstock/15*!dell/quotes/nls/dell (DELL 15.26, +0.12, +0.79%) are starting up again, as these and buybacks have pulsed to nearly $50 billion in September. Meanwhile, money markets have experienced a $54 billion outflow lately.
Robert Maltbie is a CFA and principal of Millennium Asset Management, a California-based registered investment advisor that provides investment management services to high net worth investors. He is also Managing Director of Singular Research, an alternative independent research provider focused on small cap stocks for institutional investors. See his Web site at www.stockjock.com.
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smartrader
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06-Oct-2009 21:19
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tonight will recover all of last week's loss..cheers !! Next week, leapfrog from 9,800+ to 10,000 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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06-Oct-2009 21:17
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I bet Third Quarter result is the positive one, so does the share price..... | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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