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AK_Francis
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21-Aug-2009 02:08
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Sensible, now DJ not bright n follows SSE, sifus said? So may consider to dump Citi n F mae tonite or soonest liao??? | |||||||||||||
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cheongwee
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21-Aug-2009 01:35
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Recovery… What Recovery?
Long time readers know that I don’t buy the claims of economic “recovery” in the slightest. Often times I see folks on CNBC asking, “when will things get back to how they were?” The simple answer is…
NEVER.
The US has entered a New Normal… a new economic climate… and it is one dominated by:
§ Higher consumer savings § Lower consumer spending § Rising unemployment § Lower corporate profits § Increased Government spending/ transfer § Reduced private sector growth § Excess capacity § Reduced production § Excess bank reserves § Reduced lending
This is, in a nutshell, a bleak economic picture. It is, however, reality. I know the media is now rife with folks predicting the end of the Recession. I even know “smart” analysts who are saying the same at independent research firms. In terms of the REAL economic picture, these folks are completely misguided and wrong. The US is facing the worst economic contraction since the Great Depression. This is NOT a plain vanilla recession. And while stocks may (and I emphasize that word) have staged their major bottoms in March, the US economy has yet to remotely turn around.
Consider that:
§ 34 million Americans are on food stamps § 18% of incomes coming from an already broke government § Seven million people will run out of unemployment insurance by Christmas (add their families and you have 13 million folks becoming destitute) § Tax receipts are at their lowest levels since 1932 § 32 states have budget problems ($121 billion in total deficits) and the Federal Government is running a $2 trillion deficit § Civil unrest growing: National Guard May Be Called to Alabama § Industrial capacity for May ’09 was 68%: an ALL TIME low (roughly 1/3 of our plants and production facilities are doing nothing at all). § Rail carload volume for 1H09 is down 19% from the already plunging level of 1H08. § Even after laying off people and cutting costs, Quarter over Quarter Corporate Revenues and Profits fell 17% and 33% respectively in 2Q09.
Hard to get the word “recovery” out of the above. However, economics is a dark art, and in the hands of a deft accountant, you can dream up all kinds of nonsense, including a positive GDP… which we are likely to get in 3Q09.
However, with the Feds even openly acknowledging that their GDP findings are wrong (see the numerous revisions to the downside over the last year), this will be largely meaningless to anyone outside of the DC beltway.
On that note, the next time you see or hear anyone proclaiming that the recession is over, feel free to forward them the above list of data points and ask for their explanation as to how those items spell recovery.
Good Investing!
Graham Summers
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thomas_low
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21-Aug-2009 00:07
Yells: "Gong Xi Money Made" |
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Hey when you are busy at work where got time to go shopping? When you are out on the doe, where do you hang out if not your workplace? See my point? I can relate to this. Retail figures also went up right? if the unemployment rate going to continue increasing for the next 2 months, I am going to run up hill look for monk and "collect refining". | |||||||||||||
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cheongwee
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20-Aug-2009 23:53
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this is no good news...umemployment is still getting worse, as we can see in the jobless claim.. have you ask , why manufacturing improve with umemployment still increasing...sound odd , right???
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Integrity
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20-Aug-2009 23:10
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The bull seems to be restless after the months of rally. Personally, i feel that DOW might close flat tonight and negative tomorrow due to profit taking. |
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smartrader
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20-Aug-2009 22:54
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prepare for an explosive asian markets tomorrow. goodnight/ |
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aleoleo
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20-Aug-2009 22:18
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Philly Fed rises to highest level since Nov. 2007WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) - Manufacturing firms in the Philadelphia region said business was improving in August, the first increase in nearly a year and the highest reading since November 2007, the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia reported Thursday.
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richtan
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20-Aug-2009 22:11
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OIC, DOW is up saved by below news: U.S. Stocks Advance as AIG Says It Expects to Repay Bailout By Kayla Carrick Aug. 20 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. stocks rose for a third day as American International Group Inc. said it expects to repay the government and data on manufacturing and economic indicators added to evidence the recession may be ending. AIG rallied 13 percent for the top gain in the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index after Chief Executive Officer Robert Benmosche said the company also hopes it will be able to “do something for our shareholders as well.” Google Inc. added 3 percent after being added to Goldman Sachs Group Inc.’s “conviction buy” list. The S&P 500 added 0.5 percent to 1,001.39 at 10:06 a.m. in New York. The Dow Jones Industrial Average rose 20.4 points, or 0.2 percent, to 9,299.56. The Nasdaq Composite Index increased 0.6 percent to 1,981.3. Stock-index futures fell before the open of exchanges as the Labor Department said applications for jobless benefits rose to 576,000 in the week ended Aug. 15 from a revised 561,000 the week before. The number of people collecting benefits the week earlier was little changed at 6.24 million. The S&P 500 has climbed 47 percent from a 12-year low in March amid speculation the worst of the recession has passed. Edward McKelvey, a senior economist at Goldman Sachs, said yesterday the contraction may already be over. He cited the gain in industrial production in July, helped by the government’s cash-for-clunkers program, along with the likelihood that output will continue to grow because of depleted inventories. Google, the owner of the world’s most popular search engine, climbed 1.9 percent to $452.44. Per-share profits topped analysts’ estimates by an average of 9.9 percent for the companies in the S&P 500 that have reported results since June 17, data compiled by Bloomberg shows. Earnings slid 29 percent on average, a record eighth straight quarter of falling profits. To contact the reporter on this story: Kayla Carrick in New York at kcarrick1@bloomberg.net Last Updated: August 20, 2009 10:06 EDT
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richtan
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20-Aug-2009 22:02
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richtan
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20-Aug-2009 22:00
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Hahaha... DOW is up, discounted news liow, bo lar sar aredi, factored in liow.
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smartrader
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20-Aug-2009 21:44
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this week no friday effect...it will recover all the loss and close higher..hehe | |||||||||||||
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handon
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20-Aug-2009 21:37
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my boss said... 9.3 cannot BO.... then tomolo is Friday.... hehe.... | |||||||||||||
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risktaker
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20-Aug-2009 21:24
Yells: "Sometimes you think you know, but in fact you dont" |
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expected unemployment will be on the high side :) But DJ shouldnt react much to this news though "I hope"
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dealer0168
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20-Aug-2009 21:22
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US unemployment rate up..........emm Dow may not perform well today. Let see....how | |||||||||||||
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smartrader
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20-Aug-2009 20:45
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Right track or wrong track ? 2) DJ will carry on its resilience on bad news until Q3 results proven that US economy is on the wrong track |
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risktaker
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20-Aug-2009 17:43
Yells: "Sometimes you think you know, but in fact you dont" |
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The market is on a Bull ride. Even though you might experience minor correction here and there. We are in a bull run “V-Shape recovery” 1) Many major economies are out of recession such as Germany, France. US expected to be out of recession in the 3rd quarter. 2) DJ will carry on its resilience on bad news until Q3 results proven that US economy is on the wrong track. 3) HK is out of recession, Singapore is out of recession and I believed we are seeing growth in Q3 too. And for full year 2009 we might growth instead of contraction. As those guys working on the figures, they cant really analyze properly and over estimate the pull back. Its like its better to report badly now than to have a positive outlook and when results out it failed. So figures from SG government is always prepared for the worst. But really the worst is over. We will see growth in Q3. There are a lot of people on the side lines that are hoping for a major pull back or a major market correction. These investors/funds manager/speculators will start spread news about stocks that rally will hold its foot or a major correction coming. They will keep saying about the weak fundamentals in the current global economy. So that those people who exited the market earlier or never enter the market can buy in at a cheaper price. This quarter you will see Obama’s stimulus effect kick in. So US Q3 should have less than 0.3 contractions or 0.2 percent growth. The current situation is very different from March and august. The fundamentals aren’t that bad anymore. Dark Clouds that casted a shadow over the economy had almost disappeared we are able to confirm this in Q3. Q3 is an important quarter for US should it contract over 1% the stimulus is not working as expect the stock market will crashed again. However it is very unlikely that we will see contraction over 1%, most company so far has raised their outlook to more positively. Industrial production has growth for the first time in 9 months, stimulus effect is kicking in. Major economy indexes has been in the positive range. True that the US unemployment rate will increase but it’s the fact of life about economy, it will always lack behind the real economy. You can’t expect when you plant a durian tree and the next day it will bear fruits. So it will take a while for the stimulus to passing through the economy chain. DJ will test 9600 region Sept and 10000 mark on Year End. Do not listen to speculation they want you to sell and so that they can enter the market at a lower price. It’s the fact of life and this is what people do. However choose your shares wisely don’t buy those shares that already reached its peak. Buy those shares that have a good FA, Decent Volume, Strong BB supporting and not overly priced. Good luck to all & HUAT ah Warren buffet still believes our "immediate problem" is to get the economy "back on its feet and flourishing" and that the nation should continue to do "whatever it takes."
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waterfalls
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20-Aug-2009 14:29
Yells: "Investing is calculated risk, patience n luck" |
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more reasons for the Dow to go up on the following dates: 21/8 Fri - US July Existing Home Sales 26/8 Wed- US New Home Sales 3/9 Tues - Aug Unemployment rate |
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richtan
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20-Aug-2009 12:34
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edskh78
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20-Aug-2009 08:01
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STI Cheong today? | |||||||||||||
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el7888
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20-Aug-2009 07:10
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US stocks climb on oil rally
NEW YORK - US stocks climbed for the second straight day Wednesday, buoyed by an oil price rally after a sharp drop in US crude reserves suggested revived demand in the recession-stricken economy. |
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