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richtan
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23-Jun-2009 14:23
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In today's Straits Times, pg B15: "Most S-chips pass scrutiny: SGX" |
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Alligator
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23-Jun-2009 12:07
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How to ensure your picks are part of those 80%? 80% of S-chips’ bank balances verified by auditors: SGX
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williamyeo
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26-May-2009 08:55
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S-chip becomes Super cheap now. | |||||||||||||||||||||||
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Hulumas
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26-May-2009 08:16
Yells: "INVEST but not TRADE please!" |
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Huh, it is such a good news to let my entering price around the bottom. It should be "V" shape recovery for such stocks (especially for China related penny stocks) though the global economic experiencing "W" shape recovery.
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hotstock
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25-May-2009 01:33
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Just paste this for follow-up Today 19 May 09. |
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senecus
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23-May-2009 11:04
Yells: "Market Fortune Telling - Senior MFT" |
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True...S Cheat companies have to come up with better gimmicks to draw investors... |
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Alligator
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22-May-2009 05:41
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Alligator
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22-May-2009 05:40
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22-May-2009 05:25
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lookcc
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21-May-2009 20:59
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tink 4d better. | |||||||||||||||||||||||
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knightbridge
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21-May-2009 19:05
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Fortune favor the Brave... (Out of all the S-Chip might have 1 or 2 star winning) although most will go down... Like 4D hit first prize on small if not kena eaten by S pool.. | |||||||||||||||||||||||
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senecus
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21-May-2009 15:10
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lookcc
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20-May-2009 20:20
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Hulumas
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20-May-2009 14:56
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It is too scarry and transparent to be true. Despite any noices I keep heavily buying selected S-Chip as it is simply overshooted under normal intrinsic value!!!
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AK_Francis
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19-May-2009 16:02
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Alli, tks for d efforts n sharing. AK hv Yngzi, but dumpped half yesterday due to panic selling. But no regret loh. Who very sure that last nite DJ chiong, despite DJ future in red n EU market red as well. Now, still marketing for good vege, when weather not that hot, at later state. |
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Alligator
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19-May-2009 15:20
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Updated list: BT 19 May Queried by SGX ASA Group Holdings Bright Orient (Holding) Bright World Precision Machinery Centraland Limited China Bearing (Singapore) China Great Land Holdings China Sky Chemical Fibre Company Eagle Brand Holdings KXD Digital Entertainment Lizhong Wheel Group Sino Construction Sinopipe Holdings Sunpower Group Sunshine Holdings Synear Food Holdings Youcan Foods International Zhonghui Holdings Emphasis of Matter ASA Group Holdings Asia Environment Holdings Bright Orient (Holding) Celestial NutriFoods China New Town Development Delong Holdings KXD Digital Entertainment Star Pharmaceutical Sunshine Holdings Yong Xin International Holdings Auditor’s Opinion affected China Fashion Holdings CHT (Holdings) Reyphon Agriceutical Sino-Environment Technology Group Zhonghui Holdings Suspended from Trading Beauty China Holdings China Enersave China Printing and Dyeing Holding China Sun Bio-chem Technology Group Ferrochina FibreChem Technologies Gu angzhao Industrial Forest Biotechnology Group Memory Devices Oriental Century |
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Sporeguy
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03-May-2009 00:54
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I was quite apprensive when SGX allows so many S-chips to be listed in spore, esp those which cannot be listed in China and HK does not want them. Govt is going the way of the USA to allow self-regulation or regulated by private Co. in many aspects of business etc. These private co main aim is to make money not to ans to the public, so much so that ethics is thrown to the wind. If there is no govt body to go thro every aspect of a listing, what they get is a superficious notion of the listing. When the S-chips can crashing, that will be too late. Look at USA, the whole sub-prime saga. I don't think spore can withstand such huge crisis. | |||||||||||||||||||||||
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Alligator
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03-May-2009 00:04
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'IN all countries, in all jurisdictions, the stock market is an insiders' game versus an outsiders' game,' a friend said. It's the insiders who are in the know, it's the insiders' who make all the money. Rules and regulations are meant to level the playing field somewhat. But then, there are always questions about how complete the rules are and how strictly they are being enforced. Obviously, the advantage of the insiders is much more significant in emerging countries like China and India. But even in the most developed market in the world - Wall Street - the insiders have duped the people on Main Street time and again. Think Internet stocks and the numerous structured products. One only gets onto the insiders' track if one is somehow involved in the business of it all, or someone from the inside decides to spill the beans. Well, apparently one insider has decided to spill his guts out in an e-mail confession. The writer, who claimed to be a chief executive of an S-chip (Chinese company listed in Singapore), circulated a near 9,000-word confession e-mail to, according to him, 'hundreds of investors, bankers, regulators and journalists'. The e-mail detailed how his company was privatised, the difficulties of doing business in China, how he was approached by a Singapore 'deal-maker' to list the company, and what the deal-maker suggested they did to inflate sales of the company to make it attractive to investors. It also revealed the psyche and motivations of Chinese entrepreneurs, and how subsequent to the listing, they - tempted by greed - borrowed money against the company's cash to speculate in the Chinese and Singapore stock markets. It also showed how easy it was for these controlling shareholders and managers to dip into the company's cash pile when they faced margin calls on their personal accounts. Some doubt the authenticity of the 'confessions'. But whether the e-mail is indeed from an S-chip CEO or not is not entirely important. The thing is, a lot of the events described in it do happen in real life. So, there are lessons to be learnt for all investors out there. Said one former research analyst: 'I think it is so spot-on and hence probably genuine. It is a real revelation for outsiders. I lost my virginity a long time ago.' Said an S-chip investor: 'The e-mail is a de facto warning to investors against being too naive in believing what they see in prospectuses and what they read in the printed form.' So what are the lessons or insights that one can glean from the e-mail? One, in recounting the struggles in the earlier phase of the company, the 'CEO' said: 'Good profit margins never last in China. Good demand quickly attracts new entrants into the business as the barrier of entry is relatively low. At the same time, some of the so-called 'obsolete capacities' came back from the grave.' This would suggest that buying and holding a relatively small China company is not such a good idea. Size is probably a prerequisite for long-term survival in China. Two, there are millions of entrepreneurs in China that are looking for their big pay day by listing their companies. These private entrepreneurs have long envied their state-owned compatriots that can list in China. 'To us, having a listing status in China is like having the right to print money. One just has to cook up a nice investment story and he could get the Chinese investors to subscribe to the rights issues of a listed company at any price. It was so much more elegant a way to make money, rather than having to toil for a few cents by selling chemical fibres.' So if that's the motivation of most Chinese entrepreneurs for listing their companies - as a big pay-off for their years of toil and a fast ticket to riches - would they still be 100 per cent committed to running and growing the business to the best of their abilities? Three, deal-makers identify these potential Chinese companies and get their group of buddies in early. And when the companies get listed, they get pay-offs amounting to as much as 50 times their investment. 'These angel investors will see the company through the process from getting 'restructured' to 'listed', rendering their help in one way or another through exerting subtle influences on counterparties, bankers, regulators and other investors.' Teng Ngiek Lian of Target Asset Management noted the ludicrous compensation for such pre-IPO investors. When I spoke to him early last year, he noted: 'In recent IPOs, it was shown in the prospectus that the pre-IPO investors were given shares at one cent. At IPO, the stock was priced at 60 cents. I asked them, what has changed in such a short time to cause the value of the business to go up by 60 times!' Four, part of the deal-maker's job is to make the company as attractive to investors as possible. One way is to push new products to customers, offering them more favourable and longer payment terms. They will deal with the receivables later. 'After much financial twisting and engineering, our company looked like a well-funded high-tech textile fibre company on the verge of experiencing explosive sales take-off.' Indeed, empirical studies have shown that, on average, new listings showed increased sales and profitability in the one or two years leading up to the public offer. But for many, the performance slumps a year or two later. So it is wiser to go for companies with a longer listing track record, and those which have gone through at least one full business cycle. Five, managers of Chinese companies can get the local banks to lend them money to punt in the stock market by using the listed company's cash as 'invisible lien'. And when the stock market plunged and they faced margin calls, they dipped into the 'honey jugs' of the company. In better times, they were able to cover the shortfall in the company's cash balance by borrowing the sum from some other sources during the audit period. 'In the past, we could have 'arranged' for some cash to be credited into the bank account for a brief period to satisfy the auditors' check. However, there was no such 'temporary cash' to be found at any price as the sub-prime crisis had now developed into a full-blown credit crisis around world.' Such a practice of borrowing cash to meet the shortfall just for the audit period is common in India too, a friend said. The e-mail also claimed that 'Chinese banks which had lent him money simply deducted the amount he personally owed from his company accounts two days before their auditors came in, which was of course a few days before our company auditor came in. The rest is history . . .' The CEO claimed that he'd moved to a seaside town in China with enough money to last his family a lifetime, at least in China. Yes, the unfairness of it all is, many a time, due to limitations of the law, that such acts of dishonesty, lack of integrity and sometimes outright fraud do not have any consequences for the perpetrators. Perhaps, the bigger lesson is the whole process of bringing foreign firms to Singapore. In the US, almost everyone in the chain had a part to play in causing the crisis which originated from sub-prime loans. As a friend put it: 'So if there is a Singapore analogy, it would be the S-chips failure.' I leave the last words to the e-mail writer, whoever he is. 'I wonder who will speak on behalf of all the many ordinary people in Singapore who came to believe the investment potential of these S-chips companies after all the beautiful 'packaging' that the deal-makers and entrepreneurs wrapped around them, and went on to invest their life savings in the S-chips, only to find out one day that all these were worthless! 'Yes, I admit I am guilty of being greedy and unscrupulous. But how about those deal-makers who taught us how to cook the books? How about those intermediaries and professionals who were not vigilant enough to protect the interests of the investing public?' |
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StarLine
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30-Apr-2009 13:18
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"Profit warnings" does not means S-Shares only, most counters even Singapore companies does show profits warnings during this downturn. If people look beyond the current ecomony down turn, I guess after the down turn, people may look at some S-Share differently. |
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des_khor
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30-Apr-2009 11:02
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SGX said bo prawn got shrimp also can ma...
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