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Today mark the turning point for stock?

ten4one
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13-Nov-2008 15:32

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HLJ2, I do agree that Market is always forward looking; but I'm not sure whether all the negative factors have been priced into the Market (some may have)!

I don't agree that it is like a spring 'cos the Market works in cycles. It can't just 'spring' back & forth one way or another. It'll definitely take a very long time for the Market to 'spring' back to its original position. But, I strongly believe it'll come back a stronger Market! It'll take some times, though! Cheers!

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jonahach
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13-Nov-2008 15:15

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Everywhere is so gloomy nowadays... Smiley

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13-Nov-2008 12:05

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You forgot that market is forward looking! All these negative factors have already been factored in. The question left now is how long the recession will last. Looks like 1450 level is hard to crack. If below this level, then very negative. In anyway, market will bounce back again whether 1400 or 1200 or some even say 800 (to me it is too low). Market is like a spring being pulled down, it has to bounce back once the tension is released.

ten4one ( Date: 13-Nov-2008 10:18) Posted:

Profits down, Losses, Jobs Cut, Pays & Bonuses Cut, More Credit Cards Default, More Housing & Veh Loans Default, Negative cashflows that will eventually force Companies to call it a day...etc..etc...and worst of all no one knows how BIG is the Black Hole!!!!!!!

If all the above are not solved, the Stock Market will continue to head south. Simple as that!!!! Cheers!

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richtan
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13-Nov-2008 11:09

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Another Mr Doomsday, Marc Faber who insanely seems not to know or in hibernation, not knowing tat the world has survive many crisis to grow even stronger after tat

Hulumas ( Date: 13-Nov-2008 10:43) Posted:

If you think so, by all means, go ahead, you yourself can keep on selling your holding or short selling throughout 2009 then. I am sure no one stops you doing that!

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ten4one
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13-Nov-2008 10:54

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Hi Hulumas, of course I could do whatever I like with my own money (sell, hold or buy) and likewise, yours. Thanks for the advice and when I need one I'd have ask for it :)

Haha guppy, life of course must go on whether it is Bull, Bear or otherwise! Cheers!

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13-Nov-2008 10:43

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If you think so, by all means, go ahead, you yourself can keep on selling your holding or short selling throughout 2009 then. I am sure no one stops you doing that!

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13-Nov-2008 10:26

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"Lay our burden down & put our trust in God.Doing so will deliver us from pressures of this life......... "

life goes on.........

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13-Nov-2008 10:18

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jasonfaxingliu
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13-Nov-2008 09:39

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yes, more job losses... over this recession and with such high influx of foreigners those who lost their jobs will be competiting with them for S$ 600 / month salary.... what a pity ! can you live with S$ 600 to upkeep a family?

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jonahach
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13-Nov-2008 09:07

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Is this the start of downtrend? Trade with care...Only for those brave heart/

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ten4one
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12-Nov-2008 07:10

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Can't agree with you more! A full blown recession is unavoidable and no one could stop it. The Govt can only cushion it along the way and ride it out with as little damage as possible (hopefully).

The truth is always very painful! Cheers!

idesa168 ( Date: 11-Nov-2008 20:48) Posted:

I think it's about time DJ visit the 7000 marks left a few weeks ago. This time round, the vist to 7K mark will not be a V-shape recovery. As for STI, weakness are shown all over the world and Singapore economy is exposed to all these. STI will visit 1300 - 1400 range and will stay there for a while before we can see any recovery.

We are in technical recession now, 2 consecutive quarters. And I see this as the begining. The full blown recession is when GDP sinking and job lost in a big way. We are begining to see job lost now. It will be more in the coming months. I think we are all worried about the job security now.

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lookcc
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11-Nov-2008 22:50

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u r right.

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11-Nov-2008 22:37

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oh. If that the case. Anything will likely to be good buy, as the companies left standing with cash will emerge as winner from the recession as DOW and HSI have also fallen so hard. Competitors all eliminate in their respective industries, only the stronger one are left standing, the cash rich one will eat up the one left standing.

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11-Nov-2008 22:26

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if sti 1,200 then dow, hsi etc would not b at current levels....sti follows dow n hsi, not the other way round.

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11-Nov-2008 22:18

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Not sure. If STI 1200 other market hold at current level Sin dollar will be very weak against alot of currency. Cannot go overseas for holidays ler, maybe 4sin exchange for 1 euro. Die man. I may have to go europe to work as a maid or cleaner

lookcc ( Date: 11-Nov-2008 21:14) Posted:

wud buy with half of cash for equities [if] when sti ard 1200.

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11-Nov-2008 21:14

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wud buy with half of cash for equities [if] when sti ard 1200.

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idesa168
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11-Nov-2008 20:48

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11-Nov-2008 19:35

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Hi richtan,

did not realize that the shout box was down, however it is working now.

Actually, u can leave comments on the web site also.

Anyway more information for the Parbolic Sar can be found at http://www.chartnexus.com/learning/par.php

Perosnally i find the indicator works better in the general trend of the market. I.e in the present, the shorting indicator would be more accurate. The 'long' indicator will not be as good.

If you would like to discuss about the stuff, you could do so at my website. www.ntuchartist.blogspot.com as i do not always check this forum..thanks!

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11-Nov-2008 09:21

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I think if you tabulate the 52 wk high and % loss from high, for last October that is, it will be a complete reverse. Hee...

goondoo ( Date: 10-Nov-2008 20:53) Posted:

Hope this serves as a good guide for investors. Don't buy the losers (bottom 3, SPH, SIA Engg and OCBC), cos they rise at 1/2 to 1/3 the rate of STI.

STI component	Now (10 Nov 08)	52 wk Low	% gain from low
Noble group	1.09	0.46	136.96%
Sembmarine	2.09	1.15	81.74%
Olam	1.36	0.84	62.87%
Wilmar	2.81	1.76	59.66%
KepCorp	5.23	3.35	56.12%
COSCO	0.93	0.60	55.00%
Sembcorp	2.62	1.70	54.12%
Kepland	2.16	1.42	52.11%
F&N	3.26	2.20	48.18%
Capitaland	3.24	2.28	42.11%
JMH	20.50	14.52	41.18%
JSH	10.84	7.85	38.09%
Capitamall	2.01	1.46	37.67%
NOL	1.29	0.94	37.23%
Jardine C&C	10.90	8.00	36.25%
ST Engg	2.44	1.82	34.07%
Yanlord	0.87	0.65	33.08%
DBS	11.70	8.80	32.95%
UOB	13.58	10.40	30.58%
SIA	11.80	9.05	30.39%
Singtel	2.51	1.94	29.38%
Golden Agri	0.20	0.16	29.03%
SGX	5.35	4.15	28.92%
STI	1885.00	1476.00	27.71%
Starhub	2.35	1.87	25.67%
Citydev	6.60	5.30	24.53%
HKLand	2.56	2.12	20.75%
Genting	0.39	0.32	20.31%
OCBC	5.18	4.41	17.46%
SIA Engg	2.07	1.80	15.00%
SPH	3.42	3.14	8.92%

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ten4one
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11-Nov-2008 08:11

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The truth is " The worst has yet to come." ! The STI could not sustain its upward trends with a slowing and worsening economy. Going forward, most companies will be facing lower margins or worst, (-)ve growth!

YOU CAN'T HAVE A BULL MARKET AND A ECONOMY IN RECESSION WHICH MAKE WORSE BY CREDIT CRUNCH!!!!!!!

I'm not sure how long it'll take the Market to recover., but, I'm sure it'll certainly won't be short and easy!!!!!!!! Cheers!

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