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Cruising with the ship ..Yangzijiang

jackjames
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30-Jun-2008 16:31

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Ouch, 0.84... that's only 7.6% away from 0.78.....

4000 lots sell down, hmm.. 3.38 millions, another BB sell down in order to collect cheap later?

16:25:43	0.845	400,000	Sell Down
16:25:41	0.845	1,000	Sell Down
16:25:41	0.845	1,000	Sell Down
16:25:39	0.845	50,000	Sell Down
16:25:39	0.845	4,000	Sell Down
16:25:36	0.845	4,000,000	Sell Down
16:23:51	0.85	100,000	Buy Up
16:22:44	0.845	100,000	Sell Down
16:22:37	0.845	200,000	Sell Down
16:22:20	0.845	300,000	Sell Down

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Hulumas
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30-Jun-2008 15:25

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I wonder if S-share buying sentiment is less/not so overwhelming positive in SGX market so far. Biased sense perhaps?

AK_Francis ( Date: 30-Jun-2008 15:17) Posted:

if the impact is owing to iron ore, then all ship building coys will be affected as well, ie Kcorp, Semcorp etc loh.

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AK_Francis
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30-Jun-2008 15:17

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if the impact is owing to iron ore, then all ship building coys will be affected as well, ie Kcorp, Semcorp etc loh.

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30-Jun-2008 15:15

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when i look at the tis thread stating "cruising with the ship... Yangzijiang...."

i feel like now it's more to "sinking with the ship... Yangzijiang...."

very sad indeed....

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Hulumas
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30-Jun-2008 14:25

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Huh, paper loss about 30% in this counter already. Well will wait till Sgd. 0.68 then money cost averaging again.

fivestar ( Date: 30-Jun-2008 12:28) Posted:

don't play against BBs, even 0.78 may not hold, be careful...

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chinton86
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30-Jun-2008 14:22

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Sell!!!

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zhuge_liang
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30-Jun-2008 13:01

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Yangzijiang Shipbuilding fell on concerns of tighter operating margins due to higher cost for steel, dealers said.

DBS Vickers analyst Wee Lee Chong, in a recent research report, said the 85-96% increase in Australian iron ore prices would "drive up cost structure for steel mills, and assert further pressure on newbuild prices for bulkers and containerships given the higher cost structure."

"Chinese yards have yet to feel the full impact of annual increase in prices for coking coal and iron ore year-to-date," said Wee.

The brokerage firm advised investors to avoid Chinese yards like Yangzijiang.

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30-Jun-2008 12:28

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don't play against BBs, even 0.78 may not hold, be careful...

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cathylmg
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30-Jun-2008 12:04

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Am also waiting for 75 cents. Smiley

ruanlai ( Date: 30-Jun-2008 09:44) Posted:

FM might push it down to 80cents to test the resistant support level.....

Once break without support, 75cents will be next target.....

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jackjames
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30-Jun-2008 12:04

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never mind , let's just wait it breaks 0.78 and we consider the position, huat ar !!!!

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trader88.sg
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30-Jun-2008 12:03

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"Basic assumption of history to repeat itself" is only a small part of TA. There are much more to that assumption.

waterfalls ( Date: 30-Jun-2008 10:22) Posted:

TA's basic assumption is history repeats itself...how often it does, I've absolutely no idea. When the market moves, a lot of analysts will offer explanation on why it happens after it happened. Has anyone thought of prices moving randomly? It's very difficult to predict the future price...a good dose of luck is needed.

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jackjames
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30-Jun-2008 11:59

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i see 2 transaction over 1 millions dollar each sell down at 0.855 and 0.85..

my 0.78 target to enter still possible?

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ruanlai
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30-Jun-2008 10:37

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Small fish cannot swim fast up and will wave down by BBs.....

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30-Jun-2008 10:22

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30-Jun-2008 09:44

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FM might push it down to 80cents to test the resistant support level.....

Once break without support, 75cents will be next target.....

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trader88.sg
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30-Jun-2008 09:33

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Why not? BBs might intentionally sell down YZJ so low to a level you won't imagine till SBs (Small Boys) cannot take it any more and start to sell. That could be the time when the BBs pick YZJ at dirt cheap price.

jackjames ( Date: 30-Jun-2008 08:23) Posted:

future NAV would be ~50c; at 1.5x book to price =75c derived as fair full-valued support for yzj for the year.

very interesting... but one thing i know is ... BB will not allow that to happen in whole year of 2008....

elfinchilde ( Date: 29-Jun-2008 18:25) Posted:

have to be careful on the concept of fundamentals. base it on reality, not hearsay, analysts' talk, or impression.

Factually:

yzj NAV = 137.92 RMB, cf to previous year 20.83. (converted = 27.45c vs 4c previously in S$.). Means fair value at 1.5x book to price is 41c. Even if we were to assume same sizzling rate of growth (92% increase in earnings), future NAV would be ~50c; at 1.5x book to price =75c derived as fair full-valued support for yzj for the year.

yzj is a growth stock for fast trading, not a fundamental stock for holding. don't mistake one for the other because both require different trading strats, and it can be a deadly mistake in the first parameter of stock selection.

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jackjames
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30-Jun-2008 08:23

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elfinchilde
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30-Jun-2008 02:07

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it's possible to make money using different strategies on the market. but your stock selection has to fit the strategy as well. and it's all about personality.

many have made on fundamentals: warren buffett being one of them, just as many others have made it on technicals. so just because one system works for one man, doesn't mean it's naturally good for another.

an investor and a trader are two different things. as well, most people speculate merely on impressions; it's no different from toto or 4D, or soccer bets. So longterm, the advantage will always be to the House. that's why 95% of people will lose long term in the market. they don't even know what they are doing. it's ultimately about two things: money management and personality management.

personally, knowing the nature of the singapore market, and how controlled it is, i much prefer technicals. fundamentals come into play overall, because it is written into the charts if you know how to read them. FA is where you can read the strongest support level. what's nice is when FA and TA dovetails. but o/w, really, just by selecting your timeframe and stock well, you can't go far wrong.

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elvischin
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30-Jun-2008 01:22

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STI confirm will beat the inflation, by reading the chart from left to right, it is uptrend all the way,

But the STI index component stock at 1970 and now, think is totally different,

Will YZJ remove from STI? Big ?mark

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elvischin
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30-Jun-2008 00:52

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confirm bear and very bearish, any rebound will not pass $1.00

My friend and i have been in "short" position since the day it break 1.85.

Not signal to close position

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