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17-Jun-2008 11:33 Indofood Agri   /   Indofood Agri Resources       Go to Message
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2.5!
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17-Jun-2008 09:57 Indofood Agri   /   Indofood Agri Resources       Go to Message
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go indo go indo go...2.47!!! muacks i love indo...
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16-Jun-2008 22:41 Straits Times Index   /   STI to cross 3000 boosted by long-term investors       Go to Message
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Just waiting for the commodity bubble to burst... just wait n see.. prices cannot go up forever..it's gotta come back to equilibrium...

 

A Commodity Bubble?

By CAROLINE BAUM
May 15, 2008

Anyone watching the parabolic rise in commodity prices the last six months has got to be wondering what's going on.

Crude oil seems to set a record every day. The price of rice, which did nothing for two decades, more than doubled in the past year. Wheat prices are up 90%; soybeans 50%. Copper prices are up 26% since the start of the year as housing, a major consumer of the metal, implodes.

Yes, I know. I've read the explanations about soaring demand for raw materials from countries like China and India and increased investor appetite for "real" assets as a hedge against the falling dollar and rising inflation.

The thing is, "real consumers change habits gradually," the president of Marketfield Asset Management and chief investment strategist at Oscar Gruss & Son Inc., Michael Aronstein, said.

Did normally forward-looking markets just realize that China and India are industrializing, with their populations of a billion-plus each eating and living better? Has the global economy's need for crude oil really increased by one-third since the start of the year? Oil prices rose almost $12 last week alone.

If it's not real demand to heat our homes, power our factories, and feed our population, then could it be, might it be, a bubble? And if it is, are the commodity markets looking at the same fate as the Nasdaq Composite Index in 2000-2002 and the housing market at present?

"It looks like an old-fashioned corner to me," Mr. Aronstein said.

With other asset classes, there are metrics that allow us to quantify the degree to which prices have strayed from their fundamental moorings. Stock prices have an historical relationship with underlying earnings. House prices don't stray too far from their "earnings" stream, or rental value.

With commodities, no such quantifiable ratio exits. Instead, analysts point to verticality, or the rate of price increases in a short period of time; to the fact that open interest in futures contracts dwarfs actual supply; or to the sheer volume of trading. Last week, the average daily volume of crude oil contracts on the Nymex was almost eight times daily oil demand.

Some of the standard gauges for measuring speculation in commodity markets have been rendered useless by the changing nature of the participants.

For more than four decades, the independent futures and options markets regulator, the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, has been detailing futures positions of hedgers (commercials) and speculators (non-commercials) in its Commitment of Traders report. Hedgers are those traders who are engaged commercially in the cash market — farmers, for example — and use the futures markets to hedge their production.

With the popularity of long-only commodity index funds and the prevalence of total-return index swaps, the definition and quantification of speculation has changed, according to the president of Bianco Research in Chicago, Jim Bianco.

Let's say a pension fund, like the California Public Employees Retirement System, wants to increase its exposure to commodities. Calpers, a speculator according to the CFTC, does a total-return swap with Goldman Sachs Group Inc., a hedger.

Goldman promises to pay Calpers the total return on the Goldman Sachs Commodity Index and hedges the swap by buying futures contracts. Calpers's speculative bet on commodities gets recorded as Goldman's hedging in the COT report. In so doing, investors circumvent the position limits on non-commercials, Mr. Aronstein said, who estimates that passive commodity index exposure in commodities amounts to some $250 billion.

With everyone on board the express train, pension funds can market these bets as "asset diversification." And who will argue otherwise in the middle of a boom?

Last year, the CFTC began publishing a new supplemental report on commodity index traders in 12 selected agricultural commodities. The new category includes the positions of managed and pension funds as well long dealer positions to hedge their swaps with pension funds.

According to Mr. Bianco's analysis, index positions accounted for 41.3% of the total market capitalization of the covered markets as of May 2. These funds "are the largest participants in the markets covered in this report, dwarfing positions held by both non-index hedgers and traditional speculators," Mr. Bianco said.

To be sure, there are external forces creating seismic shifts in commodity markets. The government's ethanol mandates (as a gasoline additive) and tax incentives to ethanol producers are boosting demand for corn, creating ripple effects throughout grain and livestock markets. The U.S. Department of Agriculture estimates that ethanol producers will account for almost one-third of the 2009 corn harvest.

"We don't want to admit we're using corn and cooking oil to drive our cars," Mr. Aronstein said. "All these idiotic things politicians do have real and devastating consequences. It used to be that they were just wasteful."

Mr. Aronstein ran a long-only commodities fund in the mid-1990s before seeing the light.

"If you want to be in commodities, buy a process, not a product," he said. "Own a gas company. Or a forest products company. Buy an entity that extracts value. And you get a free option: the product might appreciate."

The history of investors buying assets — from tulips to tech stocks — because the price is going up is in agreement on one point: People end up holding a lot of stuff they don't want.

But hey, with lots of vacant homes on the market right now from the last burst bubble, these folks might be able to score some storage space on the cheap.

 

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16-Jun-2008 11:13 Straits Times Index   /   STI to cross 3000 boosted by long-term investors       Go to Message
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today everybody see green...hand itchy buy then stuck how?

cyjjerry85      ( Date: 16-Jun-2008 11:10) Posted:

every week seems to be a cautious week already Smiley

ozone2002      ( Date: 16-Jun-2008 10:46) Posted:

gotta be cautious this week.. options expiration together with Goldman n Merril reporting..


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16-Jun-2008 10:48 Indofood Agri   /   Indofood Agri Resources       Go to Message
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still very attractive... @$2.4
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16-Jun-2008 10:47 Cedar Strategic   /   It's Time Again       Go to Message
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just sell into strength..basically no fundamentals..
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16-Jun-2008 10:46 Straits Times Index   /   STI to cross 3000 boosted by long-term investors       Go to Message
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gotta be cautious this week.. options expiration together with Goldman n Merril reporting..
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16-Jun-2008 10:08 SPC   /   SPC       Go to Message
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 SPC DB eCW080929   0.455 +0.015 +3.4 5 100 0.445 0.455 100 0.455 0.455 LOANS
   SPC MBL eCW080807   - - - - 500 0.110 0.115 500 - - LOANS
   SPC RB eCW080630   - - - - - - 0.020 10 - - LOANS
   SPC RB eCW080908   0.130 +0.010 +8.3 250 250 0.125 0.130 250 0.130 0.130 LOANS
 which warrant? the DB one or the RB one?
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16-Jun-2008 09:07 SPC   /   SPC       Go to Message
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technically good for an entry (short term)....but still looking @ $6 or below (long term)
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13-Jun-2008 14:06 SPC   /   SPC       Go to Message
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accumulation going on...
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13-Jun-2008 13:03 Indofood Agri   /   Indofood Agri Resources       Go to Message
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a lot of upgrades from many brokers (Goldman sac, credit suisse)..target price >$3...
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13-Jun-2008 09:42 Indofood Agri   /   Indofood Agri Resources       Go to Message
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looking gd for an entry again.. @ $2.39..tempting.,.
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13-Jun-2008 09:41 StarHub   /   Starhub       Go to Message
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looks gd for entry...+ euro 2008 profits!..keke
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13-Jun-2008 09:20 SPC   /   SPC       Go to Message
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chiong ah!
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12-Jun-2008 12:02 Straits Times Index   /   STI to cross 3000 boosted by long-term investors       Go to Message
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i look for index warrants close to the index value and those with considerable vol..cos they are more liquid if i decide to throw..

Eldarchen      ( Date: 12-Jun-2008 09:47) Posted:

ozone which puts r u looking at ?

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12-Jun-2008 09:39 Straits Times Index   /   STI to cross 3000 boosted by long-term investors       Go to Message
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STI put warrants in the money..

next goin for HSI put warrants..HSI markets to open in 1hr.. yeah short short short..
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12-Jun-2008 09:02 SGX   /   SGX       Go to Message
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short short short...
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12-Jun-2008 09:01 Straits Times Index   /   STI to cross 3000 boosted by long-term investors       Go to Message
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short ah...huat ah...
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11-Jun-2008 14:56 SPC   /   SPC       Go to Message
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dbs call for buy for SPC also no power..target 8.22 lei..12 mth target la..keke

still sticking to my "no below $6 no buy" stance
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10-Jun-2008 17:47 SGX   /   SGX       Go to Message
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all i can say is SHIOKKKKKKK AHHHHHHHH!!!!!

ozone2002      ( Date: 10-Jun-2008 10:54) Posted:

short ah...shiok ah..

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