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08-Jan-2007 22:55

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well, hope can be a terrible master to serve.

hm. shplayer and other FA veterans. what would be your opinion if i were to say this of SPC prior to and aft jan 24th: dead cat's bounce?

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08-Jan-2007 20:29

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hey...singaporegal.. i can't load charts on my comp; somehow not working. 0_0

could you pls do the TA on this counter? incl RSI reading. MA crossover at 1 and 3 days. Also, if you could compare this drop with the one sometime in sept, when it made a sudden dip to $4.5. how many days did that drop go down for on the consecutive days with high vols? (apologies if i'm not accurate, am trying to do this from memory)

hi nostradamus and shplayer, would sincerely appreciate your FA call on this counter--do you think its annual report will be good, or bad? And support plus divvy yield--pls reconfirm it's at $4 and 20c respectively?

giantlow. in the stock market, you have to trust only yourself, not me, or anyone else. Ours are just opinions, they are not necessarily true.

apologies for asking for so much; i just want to be sure rather than just give a flippant answer. have a feeling a lot of ppl are watching. *pressure*

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08-Jan-2007 13:36

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oh goodness, singaporegal, no way i'd ever test an iGallop in the shops! so pai seh! muah haha.

haha i hope ron sim isn't reading our ringing un-endorsements man. :P

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08-Jan-2007 13:33

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concur with singaporegal. it's just made a major movement downwards compared with last week. not to mention the drastic A/D and chaikin drop; it's comparative with sept's movement.

my only qn is: manipulation to go up, or keep on down? so pls, if you're vested, post up the day's trading vols.

and in case anyone is wondering, no, i'm not vested.

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08-Jan-2007 13:28

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goodness...who's the punter talking to? the iGallop is, in the words of my teenage male cousin, "it looks so.... wrrongggggg...."

haha. yeah, i think the book was published 1972 or something; i checked it up in library first already. was quite disappointed that i didn't manage to find it; and the borders section was so messy, i just gave up. like, a lot of 'fad' books there, but then, i didn't know what was good or not; and my friend said most of the tech stuff she had in her notes alr, so i didn't buy.

eh. punter. you seem to take offence quite easily. :P haha. peace, man. the market feels nothing, and so must we.

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08-Jan-2007 13:14

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hey singaporegal, yeah actually, i'm looking to pick up the larry william's book you recommended. prob on the weekend if i can. wasn't able to find it last month...borders is so messy. erk.

o/w, pure tech notes, i'm taking over notes from a friend who works in the industry. then from there will see how. always good to learn more; my TA skills still sorely lacking.

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08-Jan-2007 13:05

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ipunter...said already that i'm a conservative investor. and precisely 'cos i've seen it from both sides, the one thing i'll never do is underestimate the market. even big boys can get caught. why do you think i'm asking for SPC's data all the way, even now, rather than rush to conclusions?

like i said, it's arrogance, greed, terror and hope that control the market. my aim is to eliminate all emotions when dealing with the market; only then can you see it clearly--and even then, always, beware.

not a stingray. those are too tame and only attack when provoked. more like a wolf you presume is a tame pet, but which has never lost its wildness.

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08-Jan-2007 12:53

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ipunter, considering the length and longwindedness (erk) of my posts, i think i am writing a book already. just in sequels. heh heh.

and haha, from the looks of it, there might have to be an Operation Rescue Treebeard soon. :P not to be mean, but hehe.

on a lighter note: why is iPunter called iPunter? i can think of three reasons:

-he's an Internet Punter

-it's a statement of self, as in: I, Punter.

-his first name begins with an 'i'.

haha.

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08-Jan-2007 12:49

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btw, could i pls trouble billec or anyone else with a poems acct--to put up the day's trading vol for SPC for the next couple of days? crucial: mon-wed. i need it to see where the counter's headed.

'cos from manipulation there is one of two options:

1) SPC is going to declare a sufficiently high dividend, and prospects look good. in which case, expect price up and trend reversal up.

2) SPC high dividend, but prospects not so good. in which case, it's going to be a quick flash up and down once XD.

btw, i was actually expecting a 10c drop today based on chart data; but it seems to be falling more swiftly than i thought.

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08-Jan-2007 12:47

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ah. forum flood. em. i seem to sense an increasing tone of panic here. People, please relax. if you panic, you're doing exactly what the big boys want you to do. remember what i said abt terror and hope controlling the market?

giantlow. pls do keep calm, or you aren't gonna be able to see head from toe. and don't bother too much abt buy up sell down. the impt thing is the 'buy' and 'sell'.

ipunter, you're right. i'm a realist when it comes to the market. it's all just a game to me. And haha, i believe in the philosophy of aikido. i.e., 'one strike, one kill.' In that sense i'm conservative, because i won't strike until i know there's a good chance of a kill.

billec, like singaporegal, i won't advise you what to do either, since investors must always make up their own minds. your position will depend entirely on your trading temperament.

in response to your qn, institutions will do all the buying at stage 2, when retailers massively panic. We're prob somewhere between 1 and 2 now.

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08-Jan-2007 12:37

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acckkk...so many posts (SPC esp), i'm drowning in them already. *glug*

market's nicely dropping. it's all going according to plan. how obedient. haha.

book. haha. singaporegal, got lots to learn from ya. mebbe i'll consider terraseeds one day. act, i've never read a TA/FA/whatever book before. all from experience and learning from literally sitting side-by-side with a fund manager.

yeah teeth53 is good.

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07-Jan-2007 20:41

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sigh...aiyah, forget it; they're not letting me fit in the image. nevermind, i think you guys should get the idea of what i'm saying. can go weed out and do detective work on the retail bought vols yourselves...

sigh...apologies.

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07-Jan-2007 20:39

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dang, they truncated my post. reposting the retail bought vol sum:

Retail buy: 295 lots

17:05:04	4.260	17000	X
16:59:59	4.260	3000	Buy Up
16:59:32	4.260	2000	Buy Up
16:59:07	4.260	2000	Buy Up
16:59:06	4.260	1000	Buy Up
16:58:55	4.260	2000	Buy Up
16:58:54	4.260	2000	Buy Up
16:58:41	4.260	2000	Buy Up
16:58:19	4.260	2000	Buy Up
16:58:10	4.260	2000	Buy Up
16:58:03	4.260	1000	Buy Up
16:57:44	4.260	3000	Buy Up
16:57:43	4.260	2000	Buy Up
16:57:42	4.260	5000	Buy Up
16:57:13	4.260	5000	Buy Up
16:56:54	4.260	2000	Buy Up
16:56:19	4.260	1000	Buy Up
16:55:57	4.260	10000	Buy Up
16:55:08	4.260	5000	Buy Up
16:54:58	4.260	3000	Buy Up
16:54:47	4.260	5000	Buy Up
16:54:15	4.260	2000	Buy Up
16:54:14	4.260	4000	Buy Up
16:53:41	4.260	3000	Buy Up
16:53:12	4.260	2000	Buy Up
16:53:12	4.260	2000	Buy Up
16:52:41	4.260	10000	Buy Up
16:52:28	4.260	2000	Buy Up
16:52:22	4.260	3000	Buy Up
16:51:51	4.260	2000	Buy Up
16:51:46	4.260	2000	Buy Up
16:51:13	4.260	2000	Buy Up
16:50:44	4.260	1000	Buy Up
16:50:43	4.260	4000	Buy Up
16:50:36	4.260	3000	Buy Up

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07-Jan-2007 20:36

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(pls read post below before this): part 2:

so to neaten up billec's chart. my calls for SPC as follows: note the nos changed a little from my earlier post, but doesn't really matter since it's impossible to be 100% accurate; the idea's to get a good estimate to figure out the trend, that's all.

oh final note: if you see a 10 lot vol sitting in the midst of small lot wilderness, it's most prob a retail lot sale. But if 12lots come next to a 92 lot sale (1647-1648), then it's most prob institution. judgement call, do it by probability.

Institutional buy: 638 lots

16:58:40	4.260	5000	Buy Up
16:58:30	4.260	5000	Buy Up
16:58:20	4.260	5000	Buy Up
16:58:02	4.260	10000	Buy Up

16:55:57	4.260	10000	Buy Up
16:54:13	4.260	27000	Buy Up
16:51:56	4.260	91000	Buy Up
16:50:05	4.260	142000	Buy Up
16:49:49	4.260	20000	Buy Up
16:49:39	4.260	138000	Buy Up
16:48:03	4.260	12000	Buy Up
16:47:54	4.260	92000	Buy Up
15:02:59	4.260	81000	Buy Up

institutional sell: 636 lots

16:50:11	4.260	96000	Sell Down
16:31:21	4.260	264000	Sell Down
15:43:54	4.260	62000	Sell Down
15:23:16	4.260	20000	Sell Down
15:22:42	4.260	30000	Sell Down
15:20:21	4.260	35000	Sell Down
15:10:40	4.260	15000	Sell Down
15:09:12	4.260	26000	Sell Down
15:07:16	4.260	28000	Sell Down
15:07:04	4.260	60000	Sell Down

Retail buy: 295 lots

17:05:04	4.260	17000	X
16:59:59	4.260	3000	Buy Up
16:59:32	4.260	2000	Buy Up
16:59:07	4.260	2000	Buy Up
16:59:06	4.260	1000	Buy Up
16:58:55	4.260	2000	Buy Up
16:58:54	4.260	2000	Buy Up
16:58:41	4.260	2000	Buy Up
16:58:19	4.260	2000	Buy Up
16:58:10	4.260	2000	Buy Up
16:58:03	4.260	1000	Buy Up

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07-Jan-2007 20:28

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...ya know, i should like other members to post long too. a bit tedious being the only one...like, can someone pls teach abt the panhandle and all that??

1) when reading volume charts, to determine if there's manipulation, you first need to make a judgement call: are the lots being bought/sold by retailers or institutions?

2) your clues come from the no: of lots sold, as well as _the time of the trade_. This 2nd is impt, esp when it's a close call of retail or institution. As for no: of lots, common sense alone will tell you that a normal retailer cannot buy 138 lots of SPC at one shot. (16:49:39 trade).

3) So what you gotta do is from the chart, divide up the vols into 4 parts: retail bought, retail sold. institution bought, institution sold.

4) manipulation occurs in 3 stages: 1st stage, when institutions flood retailers. 2nd stage, when retailers panic sell and institutions buy. 3rd stage: price up, institutions sell, retailers buy.

5) in practical vol terms:

stage 1--retail bought vol <<institution sold vol (therefore depression of price)

stage 2--retail sold is more or equal to institution bought (aka panic selling)

stage 3-price ramp up upon whatever good news. institution sold >> retail bought. ...which leads to consequent price slump after the high, and retailers left holding the baby.

if you look at SPC, we're only at stage 1. aka, tight control of SPC to induce panic selling. after all, common sense will tell ya that SPC tomorrow will drop, since all the news this weekend is abt warm weather, oil jitters etc. (of course, if enough ppl read this, SPC ain't gonna drop. haha. ppl, shoo!! haha)

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07-Jan-2007 18:30

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hey thanks billec, you're a sweetheart! haha. the 2nd half of your 1st post was what i needed.

ok, have figured out what's going on. this is pure elfin territory. wheeee... brilliant manipulation at work here. i'm so impressed.

i'm not going to give the mathematics of it and my figures below are not 100% accurate either (to avoid another longwinded post), but basically, after eliminating the noise from the vol chart, what you have left:

retail investors: 214 lots bought. institutional sell: 612. (=> forced depression of counter)

institutional sell: 612. institutional buy: 613. (=> no loss/gain to institution)

if you look at the vol, price and time trades, it's brilliantly tight control of SPC man. They're depressing this fella. nsengkia, don't rush to buy yet. looking at other charts, there'll still be some drop to go. the manipulation's not over yet.

whee! hehe.

disclaimer: the above is entirely my opinion. i might be 100% WRONG. caveat emptor.

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07-Jan-2007 17:27

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sigh...giantlow, i'm just reading what the charts are telling me. i hate to be alarmist tho, which is why i'm asking for the trade vol summary. i need it to confirm what i'm thinking.

mwzl95, this is strictly my guess: sudden surge in vol means spc's report is out to the brokerage houses already--or at the very least, they have a whiff of something--which is why someone's taking action already.

i mean, look at the vol sum posted by yongjiu, you guys. do you think any normal investor can just queue for 91 lots of SPC just like that? we're talking abt a four dollar stock here, not some penny.

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07-Jan-2007 17:02

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..shplayer, i need the trade vol summary. does anyone happen to have it? like the one yongjiu pasted (4.59 pm, x lots bought at x price. 5pm, x lots sold at x price).

if someone has it, pls put it up asap....

...i'm suspecting a big drop on monday itself. but i need to confirm if someone's pressing down the counter to buy it up. from the little bit that yongjiu posted, the lots queued are out of the normal already.

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07-Jan-2007 16:46

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btw punter...and billywows too from the looks of it.. how do you guys see the cup-and-handle or whatever graveyard thing etc you talk abt on the charts?

*blur* not familiar with those charts.

keke. the heavy goods truck is gonna do something big next week. only, i don't know what.

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07-Jan-2007 16:38

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heyho sporeguy...any relation to singaporegal? :P

act, yes. those are what i term my FA holdings. TA holdings are what i call my trading positions, just for a short while only. so TA stocks= monthly salary, FA stocks= annual bonus.

yeah, i'm weird. hahaha.

you looking at any counters? let's compare notes....hehe.

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