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Not enuff info to......., maybe this one will do.....Does it sound familiar?.

19-Mar-2008 23:24

Others / Is it true GIC loss $6billion on UBS investment? 4Go to Message

Any two more power stn enuff to cover more losses, few billions more nei nei,

teeth53 ( Date: 19-Jul-2008 19:35) Posted:

Temasek is selling Senoko Power for $3bil, wondering those $$$ is not enuff to cover more investment losses......we be ask to work longer liao, beyong 62 - 65 range.....LKY also mentioned or worry in 5 -10 year, more $$$ will be sq off by the.......oop. Now we are in situation where lost is beyond their expectation and will last longer then expected.

'incredible' returns of 25% pa or more, Asset tranfer isit based on market rate or one dollar. it will take us for next generation to work out those figure as stated GIC will not show thier P&L, while Temasek's is trying to be more responsive. Still both came from the almost d same stable, same tot.

elfinchilde ( Date: 19-Jul-2008 16:23) Posted:

how will they return more? ha. simple what. they're using OUR money, the people's money. Just lower CPF annual return rates lor. after all, they got the right to do it what.

meanwhile, if you guys have ever read the fine print: Temasek's 'incredible' returns of 25% pa or more, is because the govt has been giving them money (from where else but the people) yoy as well. ie, we'll never know what their true returns are. could be loss for all you know.

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As far back as in Aug, 2007. Warning, more warning. Warning has fallen into deaf ear, it's been ignore by ppl's from GIC/Temasek's decision maker.

Recession is merely been delay and prolong. The truth is still not out yet.

Memories is short...playing into our sub-conscious mind. scary Red, red roses @-}-}---
1st credit issue , then credit squeeze , next credit crunches , what next ? , credit melt....... Cash is king....Hmm

09-Sep-2007

ST Index /STI to cross 3000 boosted by long-term investors

A note to recall..... Smiley

is not over yet... Smiley

26-Aug-2007
	and pushing further US to test. Sell into strength...Sub-prime woes is spreading into US housing woes payment scheme, cutting deeper into US economy and nudging it recession as FED ponder on how to save...this credit crunches from melting away. (Setting stage 3 into turmmoil). For a start FED cuts discount rate on loan to banks. What next...? is confirmed FED help two (2) big banks.

Posted:20Aug2007

lower interest rate and so on....to ride out over this dark cloud hanging all over this world is trying to bufff & trying to ensure ppl's all over that this storm will blow over.come on, of course we will, not before riding into stage 3.
We are facing at the word, confident right in our face and in our sub-conscious mind. scary Smiley

1st credit issue Smiley

, then credit squeeze Smiley

, next credit crunches Smiley

, what next ? Smiley

, credit melt....... Smiley

Cash is king....Hmm Smiley

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Maththir made a U turn after Anwar is charge, he himself is not charge, after trying so hard to bring PM Abdullah down.

teeth53 ( Date: 10-Mar-2008 17:46) Posted:

DIRT flew into their faces, except mahathir,

Again, not surprise to see him fighting so hard against newly installed M'sia PM Abduallah. Hoping to fix the country top post by merely saying Ex-PM (Tun Razak) son, "he should have opted instead for influential deputy prime minister Najib Razak, who is now leader-in-waiting" (how to do a good job like that) Look likely Najib Razak will lead the next election and PM Abdullah will be SM by then. Gee.. i mean after the next election, not this election that is just completed.

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Temasek is selling Senoko Power for $3bil, wondering those $$$ is not enuff to cover more investment losses......we be ask to work longer liao, beyong 62 - 65 range.....LKY also mentioned or worry in 5 -10 year, more $$$ will be sq off by the.......oop. Now we are in situation where lost is beyond their expectation and will last longer then expected.

'incredible' returns of 25% pa or more, Asset tranfer isit based on market rate or one dollar. it will take us for next generation to work out those figure as stated GIC will not show thier P&L, while Temasek's is trying to be more responsive. Still both came from the almost d same stable, same tot.

elfinchilde ( Date: 19-Jul-2008 16:23) Posted:

how will they return more? ha. simple what. they're using OUR money, the people's money. Just lower CPF annual return rates lor. after all, they got the right to do it what.

meanwhile, if you guys have ever read the fine print: Temasek's 'incredible' returns of 25% pa or more, is because the govt has been giving them money (from where else but the people) yoy as well. ie, we'll never know what their true returns are. could be loss for all you know.

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They will also seek their consultant's advise (isn't one is been hotly sort after by world important ppl's for their economical knowledge, isit also consultant's been paid with million of $$$).

which maybe correct at that point of time BUT....what's happening now??? (teeth53: ask isit d not so blind leading d not so blind...?.)

What make them made such decision that is right or wrong, (A matter of timing is very important) at that point in time...?. to invest, dated....see below

http://news.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNews/Business/Story/A1Story20080421-60960.html

'The financial contagion has now spread beyond US shores'

teeth53: IF THIS DON'T MAKE THEM UNDERSTAND..I REALLY DON"T KNOW WHAT and WHY.

GIC says global recession, crisis likely

As far back as March 2008. (When news break....)

Posted: 20-Mar-2008 09:51
	what i think is what make them jump into is so fast...isit we are sooo rich?, isit kiaso..? and why..? we do have all the opportunties to NEG now and later. it is very, very easy to get in and not easy to find another buyer to take over those $14Bil in case of UBS ( if i am wrong, pls high light me) thk.

Farmer ( Date: 19-Jul-2008 18:41) Posted:

Those fellows sitting on GIC/TMK board are not ordinary people like u & me. They made decisions base on many factors including the political one. They will also seek their consultant's advise which maybe correct at that point of time BUT....what's happening now???

Ultimately, no one can say whether their decision is R or W at this moment, only history will decide and I believe I will live long enough to read this piece of important history in modern Sgp. Cheers!

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It is truth, and history repeat itself.....for Power and Greed. PM job. Target date is Sept 16, 2008.

Luostock ( Date: 16-Jul-2008 21:52) Posted:

Anwar is no angel too....as he had shown his true colours in 1974/75 towards the non-Malays in UM.

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It take not from their big chief, but from a senior exes staff to take on those things, explanation...huh "sibo" (typically credit i take and non credit is for u). (Don't they realize all those deciding on investment has been make based on not telling us the truth from d Angmo bank). Think again will they 1 2 give us space to protect us 1st or their backside 1st..?. Once $$$ is given away for so called investment on long, long term. We r not in control lehh. Can Mr Ng info those big chief.

teeth53 just sharing my tot and experience (Man from d street).

Yet today July 19, 2008. (Straits Times Sat-Money page) back page headline said

Downturn will last longer than tech slump....that burst in year 2000. Noted by a senior exes of GIC Staff. Group Chief Investment Officer. Mr Ng Kok Song has come out to said the situation is more challenging than before... and that policymakers face a more complicated task in responding to this current crises. (Sub-prime credit crises woes),

teeth53 ( Date: 10-Jul-2008 08:32) Posted:

Since APRIL 2008. I long OREDI reminded them that THIS IS A MISTAKE TO JUMP IN ON 1ST OPPORTUNITIES TO BUY>>>>AFTER ALL reminder, STILL NEED REMINDER after REMINDER...

THINK..Angmo WILL PROTECT US 1ST OR PROTECT THEIR BACKSIDE 1ST...?

IF ANYTHING happened..LOOK for Ah Kong 1st...AH KONG GOT plenty of $$$. Then We have to go look for Grand Ah Kong from our China Bro for more $$$...isit?.

teeth53 ( Date: 10-Jul-2008 08:17) Posted:

Hope to serve yet another reminder STILL HAVE NOT WAKE UP HUH..!!! If not for losses...S$75,000 for each CPF a/c liao.

'The financial contagion has now spread beyond US shores'

IF THIS DON'T MAKE THEM UNDERSTAND..I REALLY DON"T KNOW WHAT and WHY.

GIC says global recession, crisis likely

THEY ARE DO SUCH THING as so EAGERLY JUMPING INTO 1st OPPORTUNITIES, TELLING US AGAIN and AGAIN, YA...THIS X TELLING US in ChannelNewsAsia (CNA)..from our Biggest Boss.

27-Apr-2008 10:03 Others   /   Is it true GIC loss $6billion on UBS investment?      4Go to Message

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x 0 Just to serve as a reminder to those big boys earning multi million of dollars and here we are daily making end need to feed ever rising cost of living....some real serious thinking needed here.
SundayTimes April 27,2008 Page 28 Think. Highlighted Termasek holding and GIC.
Wise buy by GIC and Temasek..??? What do you make of Temasek and GIC invesments ? by graceng@sph.com.sg
My very own personnel opinion only. It is true, they has lost short term....10% - 20 % lost in billion (term) mean a 10% - 20% more money to be fork out from our pocket.

Can U see what a nomal down to earth fellow here see...I am very concern about how they go about investing our hard earn money.

teeth53 Posted: 30-Mar-2008 22:12        *  Quote this Post!

Just for info sharing......Isit another round coming for Teamsek / GIC?, as i said is too early.

teeth53 Posted: 20-Mar-2008 09:57

Read into China reserve, they got trillion and they are taking their sweet time...they are reading that they will be plenty to come.....this one to two years, so be ready for this volatile world.

teeth53 Posted: 20-Mar-2008 09:51

what i think is what make them jump into is so fast...isit we are sooo rich, isit kiaso and why do we have all the opportunties to NEG now and later. it is very, very to get in and not easy to find another buyer to take over those 14B in case of UBS ( if i am wrong, pls high light me) thk

GIC previously said it has not yet decided whether to participate in UBS's subsequent 15 billion franc rights issue. Dr Tan said that GIC had entered the market turmoil well prepared after it had taken a more conservative stance in its investment portfolio by selling stocks in the third quarter and holding more cash.

GIC says global recession, crisis likely
'The financial contagion has now spread beyond US shores': Dr Tony Tan. -Reuters

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Oil px drop again...http://money.cnn.com/data/commodities/index.html

Light Crude (NYM)
August 08 ($US per bbl.) 129.29 -5.31 136.40 129.30 129.29 7/17 2:28pm

teeth53 ( Date: 16-Jul-2008 17:58) Posted:

Oil steadies after $6 plunge

teeth53 ( Date: 16-Jul-2008 17:56) Posted:

US is rearing & fearing that recession is coming...causing oil trading prices to drop more then US$6/- to US138/-

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Market is about rite for bargain hunters with deep pocket, not from those so call long term investment bosses. buying into opportunities and selling into strength.

teeth53 ( Date: 10-Jul-2008 09:38) Posted:

July 19,2008. (Thurs). A quick look into Straits Times page H-18 money page mentioned

HUGE CHINA FUND expected to start buying stocks soon....SEE WHAT I MEAN.

China Investment Corporation (CIC)would choose overseas managers to help it buy several categories of stocks, including global equities, emerging markets and Asian stocks, ex-Japan, as well as shares of leading foreign industries players, is in fee and contract NEGOTIATION with potential managers saying as much as USS90 Billion (S$122.6 Bil) from d fund's initial allocation of US$200 billion. (CIC). A source told Reuters

teeth53 ( Date: 10-Jul-2008 09:02) Posted:

They has got plenty of talented ppl's up there..so called very talented, very, very talented, ppl's like me is SO ordinary layman, don't even know those $$$ and finance matter can see, they cannot see and read, so i have to put up those bigger wording lor...I think they are blind by 1st oppunities (left eye is partly..bluur and d right eye is = as bluur). As mentioned JIM is so near yet so far, yet he is oredi half a S'porean. Just a HP call away to find out how is d market for d next fews monthe or next year.

Bid is as bad as this year with oil. and next food problems coming.....Still they is a few bright spot moving into year end for bargain hunters.

This is just d beginning to bargain hunt for retailers & even for those BBs sitting in GIC and Temaseks board.

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Back KL..?. Better see TCM (qualified) Dr, one way to better health for stroke recovery is gentle execises on d leg..."Jingzuo"- Meditation, if can afford a maid..can help use certain machine that help strengthten leg muscle..as my mum also has a mild stroke few year back.

Now can start travelling, touring China.....Tang Shan.

AK_Francis ( Date: 16-Jul-2008 18:20) Posted:

ok, will balek kampong around that period. poor mum birthday is on 14 Aug lunar mth. she was on bed since 2005 owing to stroke.

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Arrested 100m from home B4 14:00:00 hr....facing / been charge for...M'sia PM job.

Sept 16, 2008 (Tues) target almost totally gone liao. Chinese calender is 8mth of day 17th may not be a good day, 8mth of day 15th is a better day for me (Sun).

teeth53 ( Date: 11-Jul-2008 09:25) Posted:

One less chance for Anwar to go for PM job come his target is Sept 16, 2008. Since current PM has indicated his date of retiring from M'sia PM job is June 2010. At he is passing a more stable baton to his deputy, (while he himself is under taking all those dirt been thrown at him). Unlike d passed PM.

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Oil steadies after $6 plunge

teeth53 ( Date: 16-Jul-2008 17:56) Posted:

US is rearing & fearing that recession is coming...causing oil trading prices to drop more then US$6/- to US138/-

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US is rearing & fearing that recession is coming...causing oil trading prices to drop more then US$6/- to US138/-

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Kepland closed today at....

KepLand 4.650 4.580 -0.070ct -1.5% vol:3,183,000 2,000 4.580 4.590 6,000 4.680 4.530

cyjjerry85 ( Date: 17-Jun-2008 09:35) Posted:

CIMB issued a possible technical rebound as it is well supported above the $5 mark

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It has made a U turn dramatical, should head North again after it was sold down, imagine that d river bed bottom is at 12ct, now headed North to touch 20ct, at 12ct with huge volume of >30mil shares traded appear to provide very strong support. A good sign, another sign of support will test 25ct -35ct range, (in between trading price will fluctuate), trading price will some what stable btw such range for sometimes to come. Err..for about 1- 2 mths. just sharing my tot. ONI my personnal view.

Note: X deal of 17.6ct(300lots), 17.8ct(100lots) and 19cents(200lots), a total of 600lots changed hand.

Chart

teeth53 ( Date: 12-Jul-2008 13:56) Posted:

So soon after i.....mentioned...It closed off. Should see some profit taking in coming day B4 making another big effort to buy back..

Dayen 0.165 0.200 +0.035ct +21.2% 22,940,000 367,000 0.195 0.200 814,000 0.200 0.165

B4 and after trading hours..

Time Last Volume Bid/Ask

17:05:02 0.200 730,000 B

16:59:41 0.200 100,000 A

16:59:05 0.195 16,000 B

16:57:43 0.200 100,000 A

16:57:08 0.195 10,000 B

16:56:59 0.200 5,000 A

16:56:53 0.195 47,000 A

16:56:48 0.195 100,000 A

16:56:02 0.195 200,000 A

16:55:57 0.195 30,000 A

16:55:27 0.195 3,000 A

16:55:17 0.190 200,000 X

Trade Summary: Most trade range and price..

Last Trades Volume Bid Volume Mid Ask Volume

0.165 1 483,000 483,000 0 0

0.170 11 861,000 200,000 0 661,000

0.175 55 3,161,000 2,180,000 0 981,000

0.176 1 300,000 0 300,000 0

0.178 1 100,000 0 100,000 0

0.180 152 10,014,000 4,458,000 0 5,556,000

0.185 34 2,767,000 365,000 0 2,402,000

0.190 6 1,040,000 0 200,000 840,000

0.195 35 3,279,000 1,193,000 0 2,086,000

0.200 4 935,000 730,000 0 205,000

TOTAL 300 22,940,000 9,609,000 600,000 12,731,000

teeth53 ( Date: 08-Jul-2008 08:22) Posted:

BBs and BBs traders are making an effort to stable, steady as it goes.....

"The counter has over d past three weeks, has lost about 2/3 of its trading value. Given d adverse market sentiment, investors are taking no chances over possible dilution of their interest in Dayen's when d bonds are issued, overall trading prices should be more stable now after it has more or less converted, but going back to it hay day prices is a very difficult up hill task and require much more effort from insider"."

"Most traders (Like it or not) may has sold off (faster, even if it losses $$$, if not losses more) their clients interest during the sell down on news of convertable bond issue and now is buying back in big volume".

11:22:46

0.127

3,534,000

X

Last	Trades	Volume	Bid Volume	Mid	Ask Volume
0.125	1	60,000	60,000	0	0
0.127	1	3,534,000	0	3,534,000	0
0.130	17	849,000	271,000	0	578,000
0.132	1	30,000	0	30,000	0
0.135	42	2,335,000	1,258,000	0	1,077,000
0.140	29	377,000	0	0	377,000
TOTAL	91	7,185,000	1,589,000	3,564,000	2,032,000

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So soon after i.....mentioned...It closed off. Should see some profit taking in coming day B4 making another big effort to buy back..

Dayen 0.165 0.200 +0.035ct +21.2% 22,940,000 367,000 0.195 0.200 814,000 0.200 0.165

B4 and after trading hours..

Time Last Volume Bid/Ask

17:05:02 0.200 730,000 B

16:59:41 0.200 100,000 A

16:59:05 0.195 16,000 B

16:57:43 0.200 100,000 A

16:57:08 0.195 10,000 B

16:56:59 0.200 5,000 A

16:56:53 0.195 47,000 A

16:56:48 0.195 100,000 A

16:56:02 0.195 200,000 A

16:55:57 0.195 30,000 A

16:55:27 0.195 3,000 A

16:55:17 0.190 200,000 X

Trade Summary: Most trade range and price..

Last Trades Volume Bid Volume Mid Ask Volume

0.165 1 483,000 483,000 0 0

0.170 11 861,000 200,000 0 661,000

0.175 55 3,161,000 2,180,000 0 981,000

0.176 1 300,000 0 300,000 0

0.178 1 100,000 0 100,000 0

0.180 152 10,014,000 4,458,000 0 5,556,000

0.185 34 2,767,000 365,000 0 2,402,000

0.190 6 1,040,000 0 200,000 840,000

0.195 35 3,279,000 1,193,000 0 2,086,000

0.200 4 935,000 730,000 0 205,000

TOTAL 300 22,940,000 9,609,000 600,000 12,731,000

teeth53 ( Date: 08-Jul-2008 08:22) Posted:

BBs and BBs traders are making an effort to stable, steady as it goes.....

"The counter has over d past three weeks, has lost about 2/3 of its trading value. Given d adverse market sentiment, investors are taking no chances over possible dilution of their interest in Dayen's when d bonds are issued, overall trading prices should be more stable now after it has more or less converted, but going back to it hay day prices is a very difficult up hill task and require much more effort from insider"."

"Most traders (Like it or not) may has sold off (faster, even if it losses $$$, if not losses more) their clients interest during the sell down on news of convertable bond issue and now is buying back in big volume".

11:22:46

0.127

3,534,000

X

Last	Trades	Volume	Bid Volume	Mid	Ask Volume
0.125	1	60,000	60,000	0	0
0.127	1	3,534,000	0	3,534,000	0
0.130	17	849,000	271,000	0	578,000
0.132	1	30,000	0	30,000	0
0.135	42	2,335,000	1,258,000	0	1,077,000
0.140	29	377,000	0	0	377,000
TOTAL	91	7,185,000	1,589,000	3,564,000	2,032,000

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One less chance for Anwar to go for PM job come his target is Sept 16, 2008. Since current PM has indicated his date of retiring from M'sia PM job is June 2010. At he is passing a more stable baton to his deputy, (while he himself is under taking all those dirt been thrown at him). Unlike d passed PM.

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July 19,2008. (Thurs). A quick look into Straits Times page H-18 money page mentioned

HUGE CHINA FUND expected to start buying stocks soon....SEE WHAT I MEAN.

China Investment Corporation (CIC)would choose overseas managers to help it buy several categories of stocks, including global equities, emerging markets and Asian stocks, ex-Japan, as well as shares of leading foreign industries players, is in fee and contract NEGOTIATION with potential managers saying as much as USS90 Billion (S$122.6 Bil) from d fund's initial allocation of US$200 billion. (CIC). A source told Reuters

teeth53 ( Date: 10-Jul-2008 09:02) Posted:

They has got plenty of talented ppl's up there..so called very talented, very, very talented, ppl's like me is SO ordinary layman, don't even know those $$$ and finance matter can see, they cannot see and read, so i have to put up those bigger wording lor...I think they are blind by 1st oppunities (left eye is partly..bluur and d right eye is = as bluur). As mentioned JIM is so near yet so far, yet he is oredi half a S'porean. Just a HP call away to find out how is d market for d next fews monthe or next year.

Bid is as bad as this year with oil. and next food problems coming.....Still they is a few bright spot moving into year end for bargain hunters.

This is just d beginning to bargain hunt for retailers & even for those BBs sitting in GIC and Temaseks board.

jackjames ( Date: 10-Jul-2008 08:42) Posted:

wai sen, reminded them somemore,.... too bad, you are not one of the board , else, u might help them to escape the disaster...

yesterday news, jim rogers said, whenever he sees a rebound at US bank shares, he will continue to short it.. maybe he is in action all these while lei...

well, having said this, we must really observe the situation closely, don't miss the bull run for the bank stocks... because it will still shines no matter what happen... but like everyone here, we want to get as cheap as possible, how cheap? i don't know, i only can say i have my own target at USD 19, heeee... i love 9 behind.. because it somehows give an illusion of support point , just like 29 now ha ha..

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They has got plenty of talented ppl's up there..so called very talented, very, very talented, ppl's like me is SO ordinary layman, don't even know those $$$ and finance matter can see, they cannot see and read, so i have to put up those bigger wording lor...I think they are blind by 1st oppunities (left eye is partly..bluur and d right eye is = as bluur). As mentioned JIM is so near yet so far, yet he is oredi half a S'porean. Just a HP call away to find out how is d market for d next fews monthe or next year.

Bid is as bad as this year with oil. and next food problems coming.....Still they is a few bright spot moving into year end for bargain hunters.

This is just d beginning to bargain hunt for retailers & even for those BBs sitting in GIC and Temaseks board.

jackjames ( Date: 10-Jul-2008 08:42) Posted:

wai sen, reminded them somemore,.... too bad, you are not one of the board , else, u might help them to escape the disaster...

yesterday news, jim rogers said, whenever he sees a rebound at US bank shares, he will continue to short it.. maybe he is in action all these while lei...

well, having said this, we must really observe the situation closely, don't miss the bull run for the bank stocks... because it will still shines no matter what happen... but like everyone here, we want to get as cheap as possible, how cheap? i don't know, i only can say i have my own target at USD 19, heeee... i love 9 behind.. because it somehows give an illusion of support point , just like 29 now ha ha..

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It is always one of those thing...sell into strength. buy on rumour, hold onto empty promise and keep faith on HOPE. Errr..Just hang on 2 HOPE for better day to come

Like AK said..pass it down to our grand children liao.

Problem is they have got multi millions to hang on..We have to meet endless need.